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spotted on ninjatune: "Early 1990s: 'IDM', as it emerged in the early nineties, came to the public's attention through a relatively small handful of pioneers and exponents such as Aphex Twin and similar 'bedroom producer' artists. As a genre it enjoyed a few early years of exciting, weird, fresh music that had no obligations to any existing scene nor to any existing standards of pop production. 2004: Fast-forward to 2004, and now we have laptops, we even have software synths with plugins designed to emulate Aphex Twin sounds, and most importantly of all we have ten thousand bedroom prodigys for every one artist like Autechre we used to have, fifty thousand hopeful 20-year-olds bleeping away on the Mac their parents bought them, and a hundred thousand laptop producers making demos, setting up their own websites and even performing at their local community centre hall. So it's no wonder that all these 'IDM' related forums are full of arrogant, bitter little users who rip apart every new release by the likes of Squarepusher or Aphex Twin. When you look at some of these new pretenders trying it on in the world of electronic music, it's hard not to laugh at the audacity of some of their claims to be 'artists', when all they've done is slap four tracks together on Fruity Loops, set up their own website and printed their own teeshirts up. I.D.M. R.I.P." |
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i agree. ha. |
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i still dont know why aphex is said to be god of idm.every time you read something about idm, you can see aphex. iaphex = britney spears of idm world, hahaha |
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britney spears > autechre |
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thou dost speaketh words of wisdom |
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i knew you are going to say that |
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sad but true.......... altho it's the same for any genre of music. |
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Technology has democratized music production, just as it has democratized journalism, art, literature, cinema - just about everything except sculpture. For the first time in the history of humanity, just about anyone with aspirations can take a shot at their goals with equal opportunity. The loudest yelping about this is going to come from the institutions that have the most to lose financially, like the RIAA and MPAA and diverse media conglomerates - they have lost control over the means of production and distribution and the revolution is coming from all sides at once. So I'm sorry if some people feel overwhelmed by the "little people" taking their shot, but the elitist yapping is going to play right into the hands of the media barons who have an interest in maintaining artificial scarcity and don't want ANYONE except their anointed media priesthood to have access to production and distribution. We'll be lucky if in ten years every licensed legal computer doesn't have a big fucking electronic padlock on it. So stop fucking whining about the wrong people having the opportunity, because in the eyes of the powerful WE ARE ALL THE WRONG PEOPLE. |
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"altho it's the same for any genre of music." do you really think so? i think the point of the diatribe was that it is a unique genre in the sense that any kid in a bedroom with a computer can claim to be part of it. |
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betting on the new madonna album being IDM has now been shortened to 1-2. get your money on it before the books close. |
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95% of idm these days is shit... |
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"So stop fucking whining about the wrong people having the opportunity," do you reckon those people are making the most of the opportunity? i mean, are they any good? (on average) |
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what a load of shit. full of generalisation they are the arrogant ones. they just can't stand it anymore not to be the few elitists who have the possibilities to make music. |
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btw, what's ninjatune's got to do with idm? |
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"95% of idm these days is shit..." that would probably be because 95% of the IDM producers are talentless computer-owners, as the guy so eloquently put it in his original rant! |
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i think so to... |
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No, I think most people should be denied a MCL (music creator's license) unless they pass an audition judged by RIAA representatives. |
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bullshit. |
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95% of all music is shit, be it professionally produced or hacked together in the bedroom. |
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and I'm pretty sure they wrote this because they know this will cause some discussing and flaming on the idm forum. |
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fleetmouse what on earth has the RIAA got to do with this? and if you are an aspiring musician yourself, don't you think that once you got signed your attitude about the RIAA might change... drastically?! |
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forums* |
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i agree with the comments of the original post, although i'm undecided on if it's a good or bad thing. i think i am a great example of this. my music is pretty bad, but at the same time i am grateful to have had the oppurtunity to easily give it a go without spending years learning to play an instrument (though i certainly wish i had) or thousands of dollars on expensive hardware. the only thing i do know for sure is that i hate that pretentious attitude carried by so many nowadays that the ninjatune blurb refers to. |
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i think that this convo is shitty and we should all go and take a dump. or whatever. |
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best thing you've said on this mobo |
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mobo??? damn what was I thinking. I mean mb |
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It's in their interests to foster the perception that most unsigned artists are crap because when they pay politicians to legislate away the right to possess the means of production and distribution, hey, no great loss, right? |
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that seems to be an entirely irrelevant discussion to this one |
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I have to smile at this, because it is a keen observation. And humorous too. I mean, send in the clones (of twin pillars Aphex and Autechre, and any other idm/braindance under the sun you can think of)... still good stuff as always, but subject to personal preference -- obviously -- and you have to dig for the good stuff. Or maybe it's just me getting ol' and jaded and stuff is starting to sound the same :( Democratization of technology is one thing, but I never expected microediting or glitch to be wrung-out cliches so soon. I mean, how soon can we expect an MTV Music Generator for the experimentalheads? Guess I was wrong on that front! :) |
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agreed. although the vitriol of the original post is maybe taking it too far, i have to say it struck a chord for me, as i do frequent a few of these places and i too am getting bored with the current swathe of idm-ey stuff |
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"altho it's the same for any genre of music."........ meaning, if you go back to the begining there is always a person or a handfull of people who gave birth to any given genre of music (or anything that was created by man) & pathed the way for everyone else who came along after. I agree with fleetmouse on the technology aspect, but all that has happened is that technology has leveled the feild out (artoficialy) & now we are just going to have to wait for the next breed of Aphex Twin to come along & use all this technology to it's max...... altho I don't think it will ever happen because technology has overtaken us & is evolving so much faster than we are. all I can see happening is technology will evolve faster & we as humans will evolve slower to balance it out. I think technology is NOT the way forward & we have alot to learn...... ultimately technology will bite us in the ass & then it will be too late........ the sooner the better I think, the cycle can then restart & we can get back to evolving......... it will probably set us back a few billion years but atleast we'll have another chance to get it right........ maybe this time we won't evolve into a creature with opposing thumb & forefinger & that will solve the problem............ no opposing thumb & forefinger = no knob twiddlers .......... sorted |
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It's not possible for technology to evolve quicker than man. We create the technology. |
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good read |
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I think, I think... I agree 100% with the original post, I feel exactly the same. I get disappointed with what comes out now becuase, the tools people have now mean you can get down tracks so quickly, create new sounds, compositions, impossible timings and, yes, anyone can have a go. But what do we get, straight up autechre or squarepusher "homages". It's erroneous however to think anyone even tries to sound like Aphex, I have never heard one artist, whether they be signed or wanking away on the web, sound remotely like RDJ. It's interesting to note his output has diminished of late, maybe he's as fucking bored of it all as anyone else is. IDM has been absorbed by the mainstream, which means adding "IDM sounds" to RnB tracks. But worse still is the "alternative" music genre, which is so rancid as to be unapproachable. Music should fucking STOP for 5 years and then come back. |
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Music should fucking STOP for 5 years and then come back. yeah, because i have allot of catching up to do :P |
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<3 |
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I just pray that's you in the avatar. |
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yes it is me |
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what a crappy discussion |
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Wicked! I never liked the anime or whatever one, it's funny how much an avatar can influence one's opinion on someone, well for me anyway, and I am given to rash judgements. Oyvinto: No, it, isn't. |
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What about the endless stream of wannabe rappers and shitty punk bands? They just need a few guitars. Guitars are cheaped than computers, and you can buy rights to a beat online for cheapola. |
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^cheaper |
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looks like its time for my daily aural injection of Milk DX |
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All music is played out. I guess the worst catagory is "Classical", those guys are fucking shameless. I guess it'll rumble on and on, and I am sure there is hope in the future. But i think IDM, like punk, metal, rock etc is now, inevitably, destined to be a genre, a style, that people pick up and edge forward inches whereas the pioneers of the music took quantum leaps. |
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yes |
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I think that's a bit of a bloated total. 95% of the music I've heard in my life is definitely not crap. But it's true that a lot of it is just totally forgettable, or just so average... there's only a limited number of hours in a day in which I can listen to music... nothing I hate more than looking into a bunch of obscurities, listening to their albums, wasting my time on music that wasn't ever worth my time to begin with. It's tempered by all the awesome stuff that gets lumped in there with it, somehow. It's all about balance. |
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i have a theory.. no wait i dont. |
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I have a theory that I want an experience as mindbending as hearing Autechre and that for the first time. |
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do "we" really?..... what was the last technological breakthrough you made? |
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The definition of idm still isn't agreed upon if it ever was. But as far as "idmish" things that I've come to like, it does seem to be dying recently. Autechre, funkstorung, aphex twin, telefon tel aviv, richard devine... all of these producers very latest releases are worse than earlier ones imo. |
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