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Don't you know, contrroverrsial lab experriments have shown that afterr intensive averrsion therrapy gay parrticipants have show a 20% incrrease in heterrosexuality. I'll put yourr name down. Rrememberr, being gay is not a crrime... it's an illness. |
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Ohh indefensible tactics, however, I LIKE YOUR STYLE |
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as a child my mum once told me that "we're all born original but most of us die as a vulgar copy". one of those parent to child things i won't forget, it's like no one has balls anymore....well, not a lot of people. like it's all a big acceptance thing. scared to listen to your own soul as it might not sound right... |
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Hobbes is right, again. |
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dog_belch is up to something.. what can i do for you sir? |
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No I am just agreeing sir. It's a theme I have been considering myself, I used to be more "creative", I used to make tapes with just a crappy casio keyboard that are better than the "knowing" compositions I attempt on this laptop laden with all manner of software. I think we get weighed down, and now it seems enough to make "knowing" references to other works in order to make your own stuff look... oh I don't know what I am on about. Have you ever seen that vile film "just another teen movie" or something where it just makes reference after reference to other films, but doesn't do anything funny with them, that vapidity, I feel has taken over music, in all fields. I know it's a comodity to be sold, but, I don't know what I am saying... again.. thank god the offie is open all night here. |
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Pedigree is very important. If you reference other artists, especially obscure suicidal ones, it gives the critics something to say. Otherwise, how are they supposed to seem knowledgeable? |
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everyone has rythm now thanx to reason and what have you. (not saying the software is bad) i don't think i could handle making music by just clicking a mouse all the time. though it's pushed things forwards editing wise. i probably saw that movie late some evening on the box half asleep and stoned. |
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You're on the money again there, more soberly and succinctly put than I could. It's ace to be in such learned company. I really can't abide music journalists, they seem to have a self regard inversely proportionate to their utter irrelevance. |
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there are over 6 billion ppl in the world. |
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Is it possible to listen to 6 billion mp3s in one life time? |
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its possible to get discouraged |
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I guess so, but one day everyone will have their own net label. Maybe the concept of the pop star, be it AFX, Bowie, Enrique Iglesias or Barry Manilow is over, what with the in'nernet, Pop Idol, other things. Now everyone is a star. And how many stars are there in the sky, like loads, and they're still special. However, I still like my music made by charismatic, creative, fun people and not just any old bespectacled bearded cunt. I like Lali Puna and Ms John Soda. |
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its all about the money |
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that wasnt really reffering to anything said |
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i used to enjoy morr music but must admit i have lost interest for some reason. |
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I have a lovely compilation of theirs, came with Rock Delux magazine... isan, solvent. phonem, múm, ... that said I think I could only really stick one song by most of those artists. What we need is a return to the SINGLE and take the emphasis of the ALBUM. |
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Quite obviously I'm using 'we' in the sense of us, mankind. |
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ANybody want to hear a track from that period of time when IDM was good by phluidbox? I have to upload it so, ah forget it.. you'd have to download it too. twould save us each time not to to to to HI JOE fjoi e WHOa, I typed random letters and it just happened to say "hi joe"... shut up. |
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I've got it! I was just listening to the Jesus and Mary Chain on the radio (yes, in Chile that happens) and, observing their take on the Phil Spector Wall of Sound, but distilled, turned up to 11 and given a meaner edge, I understood that the way for music to go, but I lack the words to express it. I'll have to crank up the FruityLoops. |
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"More than this" is a great Roxy Music song, "There was no way of knowing..." , really very good. |
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I.D.M = what? |
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Oh no, a lot of people are making music and I don't like a lot of it. Music is dead. |
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no it's not; decomposing is not dead yet, I've learned that in my secret laboraty |
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Music is dead, straight from the horse's mouth. How many times has the phrase "straight from the horse's mouth" been used in connection with Horsefactory? |
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it would take approx. 51,475.63 years to listen to 6 billion 4 and a half minute long mp3s. |
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The decline of IDM (or any style of music) is inevitible when one considers the second law of thermodynamics, a brief summary of which could be 'left to its own devices, sooner or later everything turns to shit'. "...whenever an energy distribution is out of equilibrium a potential or thermodynamic "force" exists that the world acts spontaneously to dissipate or minimize." It could be viewed that IDM represents a force disrupting the equlibrium, the static hum of the universe. To compensate, 'nature' (for want of a better term) gets thousands of people to start making IDM so IDM itself is no longer looked upon as anything special. The equilibrium is restored as IDM just becomes more static for the masses. |
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That's why we need centrally planned IDM controlled by the state. |
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I think danbrusca said the most profound thing ever, whilst fleetmouse said the most cynical thing ever. |
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jesus. lighten up you paps. if you got a critiscism of the music, do better yourselves. sheesh! |
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*sigh* It's not easy being green. |
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the netlabel thing irks me more than anything, really. the whole deal with setting up a label, finding a decent pressingplant, finding distributors, finding people who will buy it and maybe finding people who can make music you'd like to bring out, provided some kind of lame quality control - you'd at least really have to believe in your thingies to go to all the trouble. now, if you have serverspace, you're running a label. |
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Awww yeah. Too much vitriol and acid acerbic isn't good, makes one come off as a bitter old IDM grandaddie or something. "In my name sonny boy, we had to code ALL those plugins by hand... and wowee... those stutters that the machines do for you now, in my day, it was hard work! Haaard work I tells ya!" *waves cane* I heard a similar point being made awhile ago about Photoshop filters that automate things for you. I don't see anything inherently wrong with macros like that, but it's when that's the limit of your imagination -- point-and-click -- that there's a problem because times change and adaptation throughout the ages, that variety and diversity, is what keeps things going. Of course, fashion is cruel and ironically will come back to the same thing a couple of decades with a few twists, but you get the idea. Anyhoo, I try to read into stuff like this humorously, with "a grain of sugar" as they say . . . and as for NETLABELS, hearhere. I've heard some choice music outta some of them, but really, when the process is too easy and SO MANY PEEPS are doing the same thing, it makes it hard to distinguish. (So, which netlabels?) There is a certain charm to believing in yourself to go through all that trouble - - - and handcrafting what you believe others will enjoy, IMHO. |
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no shit!......... but when you say.... "It's not possible for technology to evolve quicker than man. We create the technology.".... your talking about an extreme minority of the population that create the technology & how many of these technological pioneers will make music?.... zero, because if they made music full time they wouldn't be where they are in the first place. I'm too tired to go into this at the minute & I'm not sure if I'm making any sense as it is....... Can I also say that technology creates technology, "we" alone do not create technology. |
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allot of your are annoying |
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Yes, this has gotten out of hand. Beatings will commence immediately. |
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When machines can build themselves, we're all royally !@#$%^!!! |
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it's a sad fact that eventually all music, even the more underground stuff, becomes co-opted in some way - twisted into commercials and mtv jingles. this has NOTHING to do with the fact that technology has enabled more musicians to make music overall. obviously most music isn't great, but if anything, more musicians = more music, therefore there will be more good music in with the bad. IF idm is played out and there are no more ways of making it interesting, so what? this happens with every genre. there are innovators and imitators, and the best one can hope for is that maybe the innovators will move on to something new and different. |
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Your last sentence made a lot of sense to me. Bravo. |
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jimjams |
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a few points: hobbes: "as a child my mum once told me that "we're all born original but most of us die as a vulgar copy" - SO TRUE dog_belch: "No I am just agreeing sir. It's a theme I have been considering myself, I used to be more "creative", I used to make tapes with just a crappy casio keyboard that are better than the "knowing" compositions I attempt on this laptop laden with all manner of software. I think we get weighed down, and now it seems enough to make "knowing" references to other works in order to make your own stuff look... " - THIS HAS TO BE one of the most honest statements ever made by an amateur IDM producer. you should be applauded, and i'm not being sarcastic. if only the rest of the IDM 'scene' would be so fucking honest about the "knowing" compositions, and return to writing catchy tunes on a casio, we'd have a LOT more great tunes to listen to... dog_belch: "I've got it! I was just listening to the Jesus and Mary Chain on the radio (yes, in Chile that happens) and, observing their take on the Phil Spector Wall of Sound, but distilled, turned up to 11 and given a meaner edge, I understood that the way for music to go, but I lack the words to express it. I'll have to crank up the FruityLoops." - forget it. NOBODY WILL EVER MAKE MUSIC LIKE THE JESUS AND MARY CHAIN BY USING A LAPTOP. the same can be said for the majority of the greatest music ever made. think about it. |
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So, in essence, DITCH THE LAPTOPS! |
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Well sort of. I dunno, I think a lot of the mp3 kids do take themselves a little too seriously (prpobably myself included). Which is why I try to make a concious effort never to actually refer to myself as an artist of any kind (hence the term mp3kid) because I know I'm juts a kid with a copy of fruityloops. I might someday be more but never really a great deal more, which is why I'm in no rush to really "get anywhere". |
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That is commendable, especially as your music is genuinely good. |
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I guess the thing that really bothers me the most about this "scene" is the elitism. What i find even more dissapointing (and slightly amusing) is the technology elitism that come with it as well. HAHAHAHAHA!!! And to take a step back: Scene's are in my opinion, very shallow with one person trying to out do another or just generally being ignorant. I seem to have an affinity to people who don't bother with scene's or trends. (poinless self aggrandising posturing, sorry about that) I also remember the days when this place was more of a community than a scene. It really wasn't that long ago... |
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Is settlling for anything less than to reach your goal commendable?..... It's all a state of mind & if od's dream was to become an artist (which I'm not sure if it is?) then I think it's best to encurage him to work harder at it & keep going. I'm pretty sure that even if he didn't reach his ultimate goal he would be still have oppened up many options that are very close to what he had in mind to begin with. |
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here's a very well-observed response by a user called 'beaver' on ninjatune: "TRUE simplified but TRUEalso i'd say whereas tje artisst that created the 'IDM' paradigm were drawing their influences from techno, electro, world music, ambient, jazz, synth pop, new wave, house, acid, dub, classical etc etc etc 90% of todays bedroom button pushers only influence is IDM, so it becomes like a snake eating it's own tail. " |
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Indeed, time to look around. |
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''Scenes'' are annoying. Though I guess it's fun to have at least a finger in each respective pie that each scene is sharing amongst their make-believe hipster selves. Pie > caek Music can be a pretty specialized thing nowadays, a lot of segregation. The biggest offenders are young metal kids (though I love that genre). I read a couple of metal boards relatively regularly, and passionate battles erupt if someone used the wrong string of adjectives to pigeonhole Arcturus. They can't be hardcore, Allagoch is harder... they can't be black, Emperor is blacker... |
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