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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-05-29 08:38 [#01213520]
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tell me why do you love or hate him?
I don't tell why I love him cause that can influence answers
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 08:43 [#01213523]
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i love him because he gets old like noone does
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melack
from barcielwave on 2004-05-29 08:45 [#01213525]
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i love him because he knows how to destroy beautiful moments
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 08:47 [#01213526]
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I love him because his music is too fast & mental to work out what it is I like about it
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polynomial
from glasgow (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 09:17 [#01213549]
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i love him, went to one of his gigs and he destroyed my ears! it was insane
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-05-29 09:19 [#01213552]
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i dont know who the fuck he is and you always keep talking about him.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 09:20 [#01213555]
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one of my favourite artists at the moment
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2004-05-29 09:25 [#01213560]
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he just strikes me as an idiot. who doesnt give a fuck. hardcore mentalist. his music music stands out because its not all like the usual emotion-laiden stuff that a lot of electronic music and all its sub-genres usually are; its just the sound that is so fresh and so fucking awesome. stupidly extreme but such a refreshing change. respect to his work. seeing him live is just like; holy shit, the guys good.
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-05-29 09:31 [#01213565]
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i hate him. for me all his albums sounds like the same. theres difference between releasing good CD's, and releasing many CD's, and VS is doing the second one.
i know he has probably loads of tracks, which he is releasing now, but seriously, theres no progress in his music.
and i dont like when someone releases 20 CDs with the same stuff.
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uzim
on 2004-05-29 09:32 [#01213568]
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"I don't tell why I love him cause that can influence answers"
> anyone reading this thread will be influenced anyway, with all the answers... plus you already told you loved him... so i don't think it matters, go on : )
i think he's irritating, always the same fast fucked-up beats, it's annoying after a while and when almost all tracks are like this it makes me want to slap the music in the face and tell it to shut the fuck up.
and it's not very original, doesn't seem very researched nor anything... on the album i have, the best melody wasn't even by him... i may be wrong since i have no technical knowledge but to me most of his stuff sounds very amateur.
now, i've been told the album i have (higgins 1972-2006) is his worst, and there is one track i like off it, so maybe he's done some good stuff too, among all the filler aggro tracks...
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 09:33 [#01213569]
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which cds have you listened to?
by vsnares I mean
and when I say listened to, I mean from start to end
and how many times?
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 09:36 [#01213570]
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higgins is a good "album", but it was really a collection of tracks, not really thought to enter the same album
apart from this, higgins is not as good as his more solid works which in my opinion are:
making orange things songs about my cats doll doll doll winter in the belly of a snake find candance
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hyakusen
from 8=============> on 2004-05-29 09:37 [#01213572]
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cant tell you now, i deleted them all, i've had them as mp3.
but it was when he released that albert einstein song, and badminton EP, kinda that period.
i didnt listened to all of them, but i listened them enough times to say its all the same
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stilaktive
from a place on 2004-05-29 09:39 [#01213574]
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i checked out some site and all his stuff seems pretty 'normal' to me. He aint no afx
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2004-05-29 09:43 [#01213576]
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Got 10 of his trax cant get into any of them apart from we are oceans. I dont get it. I think there is a lot of great technical ability there but to me its pretty emotionless stuff. and i cant get into something that is void of emotion. waste of time. fascinating nevertheless so i'll continue to give funk a chance.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2004-05-29 09:51 [#01213581]
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not all music has to be emtionally rich artworks, it can just be entertainment, and thats not to say that it is lesser music, you just have to appricate things for what they are
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 09:57 [#01213582]
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"I love him because his music is too fast & mental to work out what it is I like about it"
I hate him because his music is so fast & mental everyone ignores the fact that there is nothing good about it other than the fact that it is fast & mental. Which isn't actually that good.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-29 09:59 [#01213584]
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agreed and I prefer i.e. Hellfish/Producer beats to his; also they are waaaaay better produced. VSnares sounds "boring". But I do like some of his tracks (although I really wish they'd be better produced)...
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 10:01 [#01213585]
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that argument makes ab so lute ly NO sense. why do you listen to music - or look at art, whatever?
because it does something to you! if you like snares because of the incredibly cool way he distorts his bassdrums and cuts up his samples, it has an emotional value to you.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 10:01 [#01213586]
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yes! the production of some tracks sounds so amateur...
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 10:04 [#01213587]
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I think his new album is well produced. It's probably his best so far but it's still completely forgettable to me.
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clint
from Silencio... (United Kingdom) on 2004-05-29 10:05 [#01213588]
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I disagree. Just because his work is not always melodic doesn't mean its not emotional. 'Winter in the Belly of a Snake' is a very emotionally affecting album - it is harsh, violent and brutal, and that affects me very much.
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-29 10:05 [#01213589]
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btw you're featured in another track I just made... it took me three weeks, but it's 99% done now. Only mastering left I think...
I'm gonna make a new topic about it! so keep your eyes open.
In a few minutes that is. It's slow hardcoretechno...
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2004-05-29 10:14 [#01213591]
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point :-/
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 10:16 [#01213592]
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hey! i never got around hearing the other track you did
is it online somewhere?
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Key_Secret
from Sverige (Sweden) on 2004-05-29 10:20 [#01213595]
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the original track is not completed yet... well it is, but not mixed.
However you are also featured in this new track so you can listen to it instead :)
I'll make a topic about it now. As I said, it's slow techno/hardcore. So be prepared.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 10:22 [#01213598]
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:D
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 10:25 [#01213599]
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.. keep me posted on the progress :)
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-05-29 10:27 [#01213601]
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Fuck xltronic.
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JAroen
from the pineal gland on 2004-05-29 10:28 [#01213602]
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you are one of us now
we all float down here!
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 10:37 [#01213606]
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when an artist is so hated... instead of simply being not mentioned... that means hes got something... something that makes some love him and some others hate him
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DJ Xammax
from not America on 2004-05-29 10:40 [#01213607]
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Why is this topic still discussed? Do people think anything will be solved? That any conclusion will be reached? It's a tired debate, and it is completely irrelevent.
If you like fast, complex beats.. chances are you should listen to him.
If you don't.. chances are that you shouldn't listen to him.
It's mind-achingly simple.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-29 10:44 [#01213611]
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i don't either love him, or hate him...i like some of his tunes quite a bit...actually the whole dollx3, making orange things and chocolate wheelchair are pretty good. and he plays great music to get wild to, live...
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 10:45 [#01213612]
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shut up dog!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-29 10:47 [#01213616]
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what did i do wrong this time? :)
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 10:53 [#01213621]
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ok look what barça wants for next season:
ballack trezeguet ludovic july baptista belleti (already signed)
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-05-29 11:07 [#01213641]
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well It's my turn now since i started this thread;
I will start with some replies posted in this thread, most of the people who don't like his music is of the following reason; they have only heard a few songs and didn't get into it further cause they were overwhelmed by fucked up noise what they don't like cause noise makes the body shivver, tremble and weep and finally makes you run away from the noise, that's just a normal natural reaction. But actually that's the beauty of it; behind that fucked up noise there are many layers, wich are constantly mutating and pleasuring your ears like angels suck your dick. To get to these layers you just have to listen very carefully and you definately must not be affraid, fear is part of human emotion and his music can be very scary sometimes, so get over that otherwise you will never understand the beauty of his music. The existance of these layers proves him being a great producer, hellfish and producer are imo als great producers, but they don't have those "extra" layers, also they use most of time the same hardcore Basses and beats and same effects, but i do like um very much. VS beat programming is one of the best programming I've ever heard, almost every beat and sound in his songs are different from the rest of the song, still in their differencies they are an indispensable part of the song.
I advise people who say "all his music is the same", to listen to at least two different albums, cause they are mostly far from being similar, apart from the fact that venetian snares got his own sound, but I do remember some other great artists who have that to, like SP for instance.
Emotional I agree with clint; most of his music drags you into all kind of emotions, just pick the right cd for the right moment. But for that you've to know em.
I love snares cause he got the guts to come out with this great experimental post-modern electronic music and stands for it no matter what the critics say, he does what he likes and he doesn't give shit about your op
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-29 11:21 [#01213655]
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looks good...why are they changigng the team though?
crazone, you definitely need to hear more music :)
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 11:26 [#01213658]
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not changing... but some players are leaving after many years:
cocu is near 34 overmars seems to be over or dismotivated kluivert is a genious but he seems tired of barça davids is recieving better economic offerts by inter reiziger is old too, though he is in good shape, but we have signed belleti who is really good
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-05-29 11:29 [#01213661]
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how am i supposed to take an artist seriously that releases 6 albums a year
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Erronous
from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-29 11:30 [#01213662]
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the upcoming huge cylinder box unfolding will be a good step to get into his music.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-29 11:30 [#01213663]
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i see...well, if they get some of those they're after it should be fun to watch their games again!
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Erronous
from Netherlands, The on 2004-05-29 11:30 [#01213664]
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that's your only struggle!?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-05-29 11:31 [#01213665]
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because he picks tracks for those 6 releases among 2.000.000 tunes that are laying around on his hard disk, see.
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Sepix
from Major City (Austria) on 2004-05-29 11:33 [#01213667]
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"... ever heard, almost every beat and sound in his songs are different from the rest of the song, still in their differencies they are ..."
yep =)
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 11:49 [#01213684]
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3 as much
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 11:54 [#01213696]
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and there was a time in the early 90s when aphex released 4 or 5 albums/eps in a year
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optimus prime
on 2004-05-29 12:01 [#01213709]
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don't make me bump my thread.
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uzim
on 2004-05-29 12:13 [#01213728]
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"I hate him because his music is so fast & mental everyone ignores the fact that there is nothing good about it other
than the fact that it is fast & mental. Which isn't actually that good."
> my thoughts too... but you said it better.
" Why is this topic still discussed? Do people think anything will be solved? That any conclusion will be reached? It's a tired debate, and it is completely irrelevent."
> well said, there has been dozens and dozens of topics similar to this one = /
-crazone > i could say the exact same thing about Merzbow. i do like Merzbow. but i still don't like Venetian Snares.
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nacmat
on 2004-05-29 12:17 [#01213731]
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do it!
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