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I only read about hate towards Aaron Funk just lately around here, even the Chocolate Wheelchair hype is quashed next to the constant Snares bashing. There a lot of fans here but what I want to know is... Venetian Snares haters.. Why do you hate him? |
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venetian snares bashing is even more boring than venetian snares music |
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i dont, 666 |
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I don't hate him, I just don't think he is as good as some people make out. |
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i used to not care for his music much but I had just heard some releases he did that didnt sit well with me. He really is very talented and I feel bad that for whatever reason he's bashed upon. Maybe we should make it so anyone bashing him should have a song they did that they can post for us to tear apart after. |
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DUDE snares man is awesome you boring pooves |
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The question is...why do you hate/dislike him? I don't find him boring at all! |
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Fair enough, I would go for that... |
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I'm just joking really. I just think its fun to get snares fans riled up. |
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I've been asking also asking myself why people hate vsnares. I think most of them are just jelous or just say they don't like him because everyone else likes him. |
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i think he's great, just not a revolution. but with any kind of hype a backlash is to be expected. just look at godspeed, mogwai, radiohead, aphex.. |
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a revolution? i meant a relevation! |
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I hold him in high regard for his beat-programming alone, not just how it sounds either. It really adds to music (personally) knowing that the artist has slaved over it. I like to sense that extra effort. |
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ehm... I've also been asking blah blah blah |
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i like him, but i just wish he would settle just a little bit, it just gets a bit too much sometimes. but when there are amazing tracks like we are oceans you can forgive him. make an ambient works mr funk! everyone will love you! |
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venetian snares is really great |
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all i can say is i've never heard a track by him that was any good, just another genre exercise and nothing to return to when it's over. though i've only heard a few tracks, i'm definitely not going to waste money gambling that the stuff i haven't heard is that much better. so i suppose i don't really hate (i've probably never even expressed an opinion about snares here) but am not interested in snares at all. although the truth is, i'm jealous of him, and eager to defy the consensus opinions of the messageboard majority. |
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I suspect that people who don't care for VS are largely those who can't get into the pure aggression of it all. Some people need something more structured or, at least, chill. |
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yeah, like merle haggard. ;) |
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Ha, that's great. For the record - I love VS. Chocolate Wheelchair just a month or so away. P.S. Love the Hag too. |
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I can't explain to you the alien feeling that swept over me when I read Merle Haggads name on the board heheh... Have you heard about the new Iron and Wine in the works? |
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There seems to be a free V Snares track on www.Vsnares.net. http://meineseite.i-one.at/mk88647/wf84004/punk_kids.mp3 |
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Yeah - new Iron and Wine soon - but it's just an EP I guess. Still lovin' that record in a big way. I was thinking of bumping that thread to convert more but decided against it. :) |
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i just do, ok? |
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i love vsnares! :) (for the dutchies, i saw this on 'teletekst' a while ago, i thought it was remarkable since they normally only talk about 'mainstream' pop-artists and stuff..) |
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Aaron took music to a whole new level. He pretty much dared to go where no one else would go, or has gone. PLEASE show me someone thats more innovative. |
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i don't know why i followed up to you there anus |
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I like me some vsnares, he is unlike anyone else in electronica. With each album you don't know what you're getting |
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I think the question in everyone's mind is when are Warp or Rephlex gonna release a Venetian Snares record? I think that would take his cred to another level not that he needs it. |
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i do not dislike him, but i think he's overhyped... his music is ok, can be very good, but frankly, i think some music-making members here at xltronic make better music! so yeah, i'm not a music maker but i totally understand if people are jealous of him : ) i just have Higgins Ultra Low Track Glue Funk Hits 1972-2006, some tracks are very good, one excellent (Banana Seat Girl), but it has the worst album construction i've ever heard - and i'm sorry, in my opinion a good album construction is not a "bonus", it is indispensable. if you bake a schwarzwald-kuchen for example, would you just put the chocolate cake in a dish, then splash at random a lot of whipped cream over it not giving a fuck if it's nauseating, and then throw some cherries on top? you can do it, yeah, but frankly it's much better if you do it well and alternate the layers... i like the aggressivity of it for a while, but vsnares aggressivity becomes annoying or boring after more than 1 or 2 tracks of the kind - i picture tracks like Vokeheads, Deadman DJ, Cobra Commander... like little nervous hyperexcited kids who just mess up with everything and destroy stuff, jump around etc. without thinking... after a while, you just want them to calm down and stop - probably slap them in the face. i feel like VSnares was just an amateur who got lucky because someone well-known recognized and helped him come into fame and the professionnal rank, but other people would have better deserved the place he has now... i feel a similar same way about BoC by the way. they're better than VSnares, there is no question about it, but they also get more fame than what they deserve. |
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DrumNBassJerk > Ryoji Ikeda? Bernhard Günter? Autechre? John Cage? Steve Reich? John Zorn? The Young Gods? (and in their time, maybe Frank Zappa? and the early 80's Einstürzende Neubauten?) (and for fuck's sake, it's not innovative at all, it's just more extreme... he didn't invent anything, he pushed the boundaries pretty far.) |
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Dude you gotta be kidding about BOC? No goddam way BOC definitely deserve their place. Goddam they are right up there with Aphex and Mu-Ziq for sure. I can understand someone not appreciating Venetian Snares but BOC come on are you serious? |
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venetian snares is all my aggression plus a little of his. |
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i used to hate aaron for that gay track and remixing martin luther king jr's word blah de blah de blah... why was i so anal? then some guy was going on about him stealing melodies from other peoples records and it's like well so fucking what? maybe you will like them more the second time around. funk said something along the lines of why worry about me, what about you? wise words. higgins is good along with 2370894 so i shall just avoid what i don't like and not let it affect what i do like by him. it's true, instead of worrying over someones musical details just enjoy what you can and spend your time worrying about yourself. i'm sure aaron has plenty of things to hate already rather then some faceless twat like me dissing him over the most nit picking details. what i don't like the next will anyway. nobody really understands anybody. |
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i have no problem with venetian snares. i actually enjoy some of his music - there I said it. Albeit there are musicians better than him, but nearly every musician has someone who's better at doing what they do, because no idea is original. Anyways, I like VSnares music - but his poetry sure does suck. |
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As I said above I don't hate him, but he does get some REALLY undue adulation from some people. As for people not getting into the pure agression of his stuff, his early stuff in particular I found totally cheesy, as though he was trying to be nasty but in a cheap horror movie sort of way. I think he has developed a lot and some of his stuff now I like, but he is still just another face in the crowd for me, not outstanding. |
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He seems to be developing as an artist though, how old is he? |
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explain to me how vsnares isn't just doing gabba music with better equipment. |
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just to let you guys know - his newer stuff is MUCH differant from anything you guys have heard (or even i have heard) he finished everything on the chocolate wheelchair album over a year ago - he will be releasing an album he just recently completed sometime next year, which is done in Dolby 12.1 |
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His early stuff marks him out dramatically. I think the fact that he explored more horroresque themes is cool. So much music tends to fit a certain sort of nicey nicey vibe or cliched hard style where as he and others like him created this sort of nasty witch horror in the forest sound. I found the whole thing at first quite hard to appreciate but over time I began to appreciate it. I think its great that not only are his beats different but so is his actual music. |
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personally - i think there are 3 albums everyone should check out before they start saying bad things about him doll doll doll higgins... witboas i think that if someone listens to these 3 dramatically differant albums they can have a better feel of what his music is like and not just call it "gabba with better equipment" - even a short listen to nymphomatriarchs would have you throw that comment out the window. |
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I think "Doll Doll Doll" is definitely the best record to start with when it comes to V Snares. |
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promo > i am serious! i'm repeating myself for the 47th time maybe but BoC isn't varied at all, isn't very original either and isn't even the best at what they do (just listen to Bola - Fyuti, or Telefon Tel Aviv - Fahrenheit Fair Enough, for example...) |
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"when are Warp or Rephlex gonna release a Venetian Snares record? I think that would take his cred to another level" maybe it's just me, but to me that would damage his cred |
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I haven't heard much of his stuff either, but from what I have heard I would have to agree with Nekta. At times I enjoy but at others it does get a bit much for me. Maybe I would prefer some of his other stuff. Only heard Higgins Ultra Low... |
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i agree with uzim that boc is boring, the uninspired 4/4 'boom tick boom tick' beats with accompanied by the melodies from which the sound if often quite similar in the different tracks, bored the hell out of me quite quickly i bought two of their releases and even liked MHTRTC for a short while, but i soon found that it's all the same to me. i never listen to their stuff anymore, they're overhyped and -rated imo vsnares on the other hand i find innovative (sp?), i agree that he's no musical talent but just compare his albums, they all got their own feeling and sound to them. i listen to his stuff almost daily and until now it has never bored me. needless to say it's all personal opinion |
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I thin Winter In The Belly of a Snake is meant to be his least abrasive effort. Anyone care to back me up on this? |
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think* |
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48 replies on a "hate" thread :)~ |
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I don't normally go in for the kind of music Snares writes, but he just does it so well... I rate him as one of the most interesting/original guys in electronic music at the moment - Breaking out of the 4/4 mould and producing all his stuff on a simple Amiga-style tracker program has been a huge inspiration for me. I can totally see why some ppl wouldn't get into it though... But yeah, I don't get why there's so much Snares bashing 'round these forums? He's such a nice bloke... |
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