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Hahahaha I love the Metallica cello riff in dollmaker. |
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Oi!!! : ) |
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"I think he is working within a 4/4 time signature though, I don't think he uses other time signatures. He just chops it up a bit more." Er... no, you're wrong. He works primarily in 7/8 or 7/16. less often in 5/8 or 10/8 and 9/8 or 9/16 etc... his 4/4 tracks (off top of head) are suasive chess strategy, stamina, clearance bin & breakbeat malaria (one of those 2 goes into 5/8 at the end) erm.. lioness I think and a few others. Dad for instance is in a very fast 13/16 (and quite hard to keep track of if you're counting along) but it's groove does seem to work. An easy track to count along with (to check) would be Dance Like You're Selling Nails which is in 14/8 (or 7/8) - just count along with it; the melodies can help! As they repeat - just start counting again, they repeat every 14 beats - gosh! So do the beats - it all hangs together. |
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Hmm, I really cant hear the 13/16 in "Dad", though Ill take your word for it since I certainly cant count it in 4/4 :D Actually I think I just keep getting distracted by wanting to enjoy the song that I can't finish counting to 13. Snares gets A+++++++ in my book, would sex again! |
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somewhat of an atavism but, I agree as well! |
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err, that was in reply to "I think Nepetalactone and Poor Kakarookee are the same track, only with a track break in the middle. An amazing, awe inspiring piece of work. Nigel and Clic agree also it seems." |
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hmmm 13/16, explain to me this time signature....the 16th note gets the beat but I have never heard of this........... |
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i enjoy a lot of snares music, but i'm not able to listen to it for long periods of time, because it starts to just hurt my brain after a while. |
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well the first number is how many beats per measure, it can really be anything. Listening wise, you wont hear a difference in 8/4 and 4/4 because in 4/4 you just star counting again after 4 instead of after 8, same deal really, youd only see the difference in printed sheet music. So anyhow, 13/16 means "13 beats per measure, 16th note gets the beat" |
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Well, more precisely in 13/16 - it means 13 beats in a bar, each note is a sixteenth note (actually a thirteenth note - but classical conventions only allow for x/2; x/4; x/8 and x/16 time signatures). I usually forget about the second part of a time signature for a song as they really only relate to individual orchestral parts in notation - telling the instrument what notes to play, so .. in Dad - the bassline is in 13/16 and the song is in 13/x I would say or 13 time. |
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I get confused when you say its actually a 13th note. Its been a while since Ive had to read sheet music but I don't beleive memory is failing me when I read 13/16 as 13 notes/beats/whatever per measure, 16th is the value of said note. I see what you're saying in that it doesn't need to be a 16th note when you're counting VSnares and the like because its kindve arbitrary, you could just as easily call it a quarter note and say it has a ridiculously high tempo, but Im not following the 13th note bit there. |
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Well it's called a sixteenth note because the conventions for classical music were 4/4 basically and the notes are called x/2 minims, x/4 crotchets, x/8 quavers, x/16 demi-quavers. So there isn't a name for a 13th note - and there is no actual difference to how a 13th note would sound compared to a 16 th note in a 13 time song - mathematically there may be - fuck knows. Maybe thy are shorter when played in 4/4 for instance a song in 8/13 (which doesn't exist) would be supposedly 8 quavers each of length 13/16ths of a quaver. god this is boring, sorry. |
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A thirteenth note would have to look like a black cat or a guy walking under a ladder and everyone's Sibelius would need a patch to be able to show it. |
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why are people who haven't heard vsnares replying to a thread called why do you hate vsnares? Are you the kind of people who would wander around ranting on at strangers if the nurse ever allowed you to go ouside? |
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people can rreply to what they want. why arre you talking about something otherr that vsnares? Arre you the kind of perrson who would wanderr arround rranting on at strrangers if the nurrse ever allowed you to go ouside? |
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Ah ok deforest I see what you're saying now. Jesus I really need some sleep, it took me 4 reads to figure our "duh hurr, no such thing as a whole number 16th of 13". |
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I think working in different time signatures seems interesting but hard. I wouldn't know how to do it to be honest. I still feel complicated stuff can be done in 4/4 but I'm probably wrong. Surely you don't have to change the time signature but just shift the notes to emulate the particular effect/time signature you want? |
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That get's very confusing in time. |
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Yeah but changing the time signature makes it easier to copy and paste measures when you're working with oddball phrase lengths. |
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Interesting. Its something I'll have to look into. |
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Thanks for the replies everyone. It's a shame though that in all these posts no-one could give me a straight answer. |
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Most snares stuff I've got is in 7/4, and quite a bit in 5/4 too... I always thought dad was just regular 4/4 though. (I think it's all in something/4 cos of the way tracker software works, doesn't use regular music time sig's..) But yeah, writing in these time signitures opens up an entire world of melodies and rhythms that haven't been touched in the electronic scene, pretty much ever! You can do a lot with 4/4, I think everything Aphex's done has been in 4/4, but it does have a nice simple quality to it and loops very smoothley - I think a lot of ppl don't realise how difficult it is to write electronic music in such untouched time sig's, I certainly think Snares is one of the most talented guys in the scene - Just that a lot of his music is pretty inaccessible. |
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I can imagine that most of what Aphex does is 4/4. I still believe you can achieve plenty of cool rhythms in 4/4. Other time signatures seem interesting but I wouldn't have an idea how they work, I only understand 4/4. |
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Dad is most defintely not 4/4, after all those posts when I drove home I played it a few times in my car. Its impossible to count in 4's 6's or 7's. Unfortunately, I couldn't spare the attention span while driving to try counting past those but Im willing to beleive 13 |
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It's definitely in 13 - so is January. |
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I think some people think 4/4 is like 4 steps to a beat (and think triplets are called 3/4), so I think language is maybe the barrier. |
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I can understand people not liking snares' music, but the hateration on snares fans gets on my nerves. and saying the man is untalented shows nothing but ignorance. p.s. anyone who thinks his programming is random or lacks structure doesn't get it. I don't mean they have bad taste, they just don't get it. I know this sounds elitist but it's true. |
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