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Where do you people stand on a few different things, we have a group of people that think that racism largly exists within ... well lets say America or Canada, and they think that this will ofcourse hurt them in the job hunts, raises and all that sort of thing. What about this thing I saw on TV the other week or so, about black men and white women or vice versa dating and all this stuff, I was watching in horror! The black man was saying that he thought the woman was racist because she used the word "nigger" during a story she was telling about her two black friends arguing, he then went on to tell her that black men cannot be racist because of all thats happened. Now, tell me.... well dont. My opinion is that its just as bad to tell someone they cant have a mind, or thought, or word even if it is racist in private than it is to BE a racist. I dunno where this thought was supposed to go, I just woke up after a long night of drinking and I started thinking, maybe it was a dream. Oh well, my ignorant friend always says, {and I laugh} "Its only a double standard because its twice as true" .... uh..... I dunno, sorry guys. |
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I posted this before on another good MB I frequent ... here is the best response/talk I had..... "a) black people who call each other "nigga" are hypocrites, especially if they dictate who is allowed to use the word, because they are totally missing how they allow themselves to be continue to be oppressed by mainstream culture that tries to keep them down. Â is it a coincidence that mainstream culture makes it "cool" for the stereotypical black person to drink 40's, smoke blunts, place a low value on education, set low expectations, etc, but at the same time keeps those "cool" traits from allowing them to achieve success? there are all sorts of paradoxes like this that set up people up for failure (seeing a white man/woman as the ultimate score, but hating them at the same time; drug culture; negative sexual stereotypes (trains, etc))... Nathan McCall's "Makes Me Wanna Holler" is really eye opening on this front. Â I didn't really understand the social pressure to behave in such a degenerative way until I read that book. b) on the other hand, words only have power over you when they're restricted like this. they only have power to offend people when they allow themselves to be offended. Â (uh, duh... does that sound stupid?). Â part of me feels like we should just get these words out there and let them fly. Â for instance, fuck, shit, cock, cunt, asshole, and any of the other 7 words you can't say on TV, don't offend me. Â there's nothing inherently offensive about them because they're so overused now. Â what is offensive is context, meaning and how they are used. Â so if somebody says "what the fuck is that shit all about?" I've got no problems, but if they say "fuck you shithead" I'm more likely to be offended, not from the words themselves, but because of the meaning they intend towards me. Â so why can't people recognize if somebody says "that's my nigga" regardless of their race that it's a positive comment and "pump my gas boy" is a negative comment worthy of all your loathing? |
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Positive discrimination sucks. At least with normal discrimination, if you point it out you get kudos for being "culturally aware". If you point out positive discrimination you get branded as rascist or sexist. You've made quite a good point rephlex, and one that I mainly agree with you on (for once ;) ). |
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Nigga please. |
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A black man cant be a racist. If u do think so u got to analyze what the word means. |
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A black man CAN be racist. |
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Ceri JC::. yes thanks. I hope this is a good POSITIVE discussion, not... bad. |
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Yes he can. I don't understand how you can say that he can't- surely that view is in itself rascist? My friend is half caste and says that his dad's side of the family (who are black) are more rascist than his mum's. Surely he's in the best position to comment on something like this? |
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I hate racism. |
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/me sings im gonna send u to outa space.. to find another race dubndu.. |
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Where im comin from has alot to do with what I see as the objective truth. I dont think Ive told a lie. I dont think what I've said is racist. I think it has alot to do with gettin power. If the some think what I said (ceri j) was racist then I think they YOU really need to check what racist means........ get your facts straight |
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I remember a scene in "Gridlock'd" where Tim Roth calls that dealer guty "nigga" and he gets ahem, rather pissed off. Then 2pac sez that only black people are allowed to do that. I dunno, I hate usin the term nigga, me bein a pasty white boy an all. |
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but thats the point, put all that fake gangsta bullshit behind this, and think for a moment, you obviously didnt real it all - " black people who call each other "nigga" are hypocrites, especially if they dictate who is allowed to use the word, because they are totally missing how they allow themselves to be continue to be oppressed by mainstream culture that tries to keep them down. Â is it a coincidence that mainstream culture makes it "cool" for the stereotypical black person to drink 40's, smoke blunts, place a low value on education, set low expectations, etc, but at the same time keeps those "cool" traits from allowing them to achieve success? there are all sorts of paradoxes like this that set up people up for failure (seeing a white man/woman as the ultimate score, but hating them at the same time; drug culture; negative sexual stereotypes (trains, etc))... Nathan McCall's "Makes Me Wanna Holler" is really eye opening on this front. Â I didn't really understand the social pressure to behave in such a degenerative way until I read that book. " |
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Racism is and only exists as the idea of superiority of one race over another and that idea can't do anything to hurt me. White people's idea that they are better then me, which is a racist idea, doesn't hurt me. But what really hurts me is that there racist idea is backed by power that they have had by the theft of my resources, killing all my brothers and sisters and rapin and doin all the bullshit that has come with that. So when they talk about that were racists, I think that's bullshit and they need to check themselves and check they head for there definition of racism. And im out. Peace. |
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You heard it from the big guy. |
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If racism sucks so does meritism. |
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thats stupid! its such a copp out man, seriously. Black people can be racist. ive seen it so many times, along with white people being racist. your telling me what im hearin is wrong? |
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Thats WHY I call my brother GOD. The ignorant ones....STILL Niggers. Niggers are always niggers, always niggers, slaves to the bloodsuckers of the poor. Gods are gods. |
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REFLEX please.......go check what the word means then come back and arguee......u seem kinda ignorant right now. |
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But then by using openly the term "niggers" it should be ok for anyone else to use it, if you didnt want people to use it then you wouldnt either, ... - that or you dont care enough. Which is fine too. |
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We all have brain inside our head! We can think we can see we can observe we can analize we can understand! Racism is a desease! Respect is a key,use it and u'll feel better! So simple! |
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Archrival: dont be so hard edged over this. ive talked with and been with black men and a few women who talk racist about other cultues/races, what is it that im hearing then? |
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So a black person calling a chinese person a fuckin chink isnt racist? Ok... that makes a lot of sense man, no offence you and I have always got a long here well, and have been here for a long time man, but this doesnt fly with me |
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What would a racist call us white scumbags I wonder? |
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he could call us white trash or euro trash. |
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I am white trash though. Self admitted made I add.... |
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Racism doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with superiority- it means being prejudiced towards someone on the grounds of their race, for good or ill. It can mean assuming that a jewish person will a good businessman or a chinese person will be a good mathmatican as well as thinking that a puerto rican youth is likely to be a criminal. Black people can apply this sort of prejudice to other people too, they may assume that someone hates them, just because they are white. |
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I think that anybody should ba able to call anyone whatever they want. It only becomes offensive if you are purposly trying to insult someone. E.G, going up to your black mate and saying "Hey Nigga" =ok Saying "Fuck you nigga" = baaaaad I suppose our days you have to take everything with a pinch of salt. I do |
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I thunk that's being more steriotypical than racist. If you've never met a japaneese person, then you MAY think that they all wear kimono's, then we are going onto the subject of mis education. You can go so many ways with this, but at the end of the day we're talking about Human Nature. People pick on other people for being too fat, too skinny, too tall, too short and there will always be bullies and ass holes around to be racist |
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See! now this is where I wanted people to go. Racist is a issue of power Archrival your right, but its not just that, its also what Ceri said in that last post there. Ive heard black people call down chinese people or whoever being racist as fuck! So black people can be racist... |
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It's not that BLACK people can be racist or WHITE people can be racist. PEOPLE can be racist and ARE racist. |
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I dont class black people to be any different from white people. They are still human yeah? Skin colour dont mean shit whether you're white, black, yellow, green or whatever the fuck. We all have our own opinions of this subject so you know, maybe we should keep it that way...? Saves arguments. |
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Seeing as black people are in the minority where I live they all hang around together; asians,chinese,african.etc. When they are together they are best of mates but are always dissing each other and being quite rascist against one another. They are comfortable with it. And when I as a white guy hang with them they do it to me too. I don't have a problem with it. It means nothing to me as I feel accpeted by them. I think if matters of race din't cropp up in conversation we would be more uncomfortable together by hiding it under the carpet. Our diversity is our bond, and I love it. |
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Ah the controversial issue of zeitgeist! I personally believe in it, but I only apply it to groups/people I haven't met. Once I've met someone I don't really consider zeitgeist a big influence on how I perceive them. That said 2 of my chinese mates are brilliant at maths and are training to be engineers, a japanese friend is brilliant at drawing manga and an australian friend of mine really does like barbeques, surfing, kangaroo steak and VB Bear! |
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but This will reach 100 !!!!!!! lol |
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At least they acknowledge you exist. I agree, a couple of my mates are black and Im comfortable with their opinions of pale white Scottish guys. :) |
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I went to see my friend in Slough, England, and this guy was chatting me up. He said "Where are you from?" "Wales" I said, to which he replied "Cool!, You speak realy good english" Say no more =o\ |
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um that should be vb BEER. |
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its the SCHism in ISM that sucks .. :) |
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Goddamn it Reflex, what is your pic? It looks like a piece of cow dung. |
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Looks like the topic title was a lie ;) I think people stopped because too few people wanted to get involved in such a debate and those who did couldn't be bothered to argue anymore. |
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Reflex: Its all good...like I said if u wanna say nigger, niggah, nuh or whatever thats fine...whatever. But I cant be a racist. I can be ignorant, I can spread hate, I can make fun of chinese people whatever and being prejudiced towards someone of another color (but I can never be a racist). thats it. Whats your point niggah ;) ? Call me niggah in front of my eyes and see what happens...nah serious this is a pretty boring topic blacks can be fucking dickheads, bitches, devlis whatever but not RACISTS. |
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Racism is only a byproduct of capitalism and who is in control does not happen to be dark skinned people of the world and I think thats just a tragedy. I think when we look at how 3/4's of the worlds resources are engulfed by only a people who make up less then 1/4 of the world and those happen to be the European and North American people and the rest of the world is starving, I think its a BIG tragedy. I think THATS racism and I think if you REFLEX is not ready to hear that, I can understand why............. Because it may make you scared. |
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nigger. |
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The ignorant ones....STILL Niggers. |
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What about in Uganda at the moment Arch? Blacks are definately exercising their power in a racist way.... |
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racism is nothing more than insecurity, and it's okay to be afraid. when it's combined with a horrible attitude towards human life it can get ugly. |
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oha nd the word "nigger" has as much meaning as KERFLOPTZBLORGCRASH. |
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was i supposed to read all that shit?! sorry i didn't even read any of the responses at least cuz they too long as well and i guess i have better topics to read so why did i post in this one i don't know but im gonna go now bye! |
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Im still convinced that blacks can be racist. its not just what archrival speaks of, its more than that. And if he doesnt think so, then its a FINE line between the two and they should be considered just as bad. |
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