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I dunno... it's just a personal thing... you either believe, or don't believe... personally, I don't think it'll ever be proven one way or the other... |
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hey funk- make what ever assumptions you want to, there's no reason to assume that anybody has the right answer, and there's no reason to assume anyone ever will "i believe in my dreams" -december |
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^ [The Funk] 2 true! to believe is enough proof. and not to believe is enough proof. |
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aww man , not this again, i put up a thing like this on the old board and it got like 500 posts, you all know my awnsers |
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I went to a lecture last year called "A logical proof of the existence of God." Yes, I believe in god or whatever you want to call it and my researches lately have been kind of focused on that. And I tell you that there is nothing in my faith that is superstitious (sp?), at least I think not, and it only makes sense to me that god does exist. There is no other way that it could be, in my eyes. but then again, if anyone told me that i would not believe them... But yes, I believe logically that god exists. joey |
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god is in the details |
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joey: knowledge is a useful commodity as far as i'm concerned - but not much more than that. looking at the nature of knowledge, just puts a big ? on any belief, including science, and as far as i'm concerned logic .. and yes this all undermines itself !. i'd be quite keen to hear some of the arguments for the 'logical proof of the existence of god' - i find it quite an interesting/unusual concept that people try and prove the existence of god ... |
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yeah, I think it's pretty nieve of people to try and prove that God exists... I mean, why should our technology be able to prove that a supernatural deity exists or not? |
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godel - the mathematician proved using maths, that maths is incomplete!!! |
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there was no tech used to prove it. it was just a logical explanation. dude called it the Universal uncaused cause, maybe that will change your perspective a little. Words carry such heavy weights sometimes, and God is one of them it creates a certain vision of what preconceived notion we have, but new and refreshing terms such as The universal uncaused cause change our perspectives somewhat. joey |
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words > . < (fullstop) carry a heavy weight. -why would you want to change the name of god? "the universal uncaused cause" - interesting paradox - but a few questions? -how does this prove anything? -in what extent should this replace god? ie. just abstract level, what about the bible and such? -according to The Universal Uncaused Cause (TUUC) would there still be a heaven or hell? -does TUUC have any moral implications (because as far as i can see - TUUC is a nice paradox, but doesn't suggest anything in terms of how one ought to live and such). also: TUUC presupposes a causal world - and TUUC! - how do you prove TUUC? |
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what is this god?... who is this god?... why is this god? why do people assume that if there is a "god", it must be something like is perceived in the Judeo-christian tradition? |
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because the judeo-christian tradition is quite a popular one! |
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but (to me) it seem so obvious that its a human creation... do u think he somehow gave us the idea to invent him? [i'll just use 'him' to describe it, ok?, its just easier] why did he give jews such a different idea than aztecs? or anciant greeks? all the arguments made that our present day god (judeo-christian, whatever) exists can be applied to the ancient gods so why dont we still pray to them? after all.. u cant prove that they DONT exist! for all we know zuce is watching over this messagboard right now... and he's upset that we're obsessed with some nice guy named 'jesus' why doesn't your god demand human sacrifices like he did from the mayans? did he change his mind? or were the mayans wrong? are they all burning in hell right now? im sure THEY thought they were absolutely right.. no question about it does that make it right then? HUH!? DOES IT@!??! :) |
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yup |
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whenever i come across posts like this, i always sugest members read up on a philosipher named Friedrich Nietzche. And Aliester Crowley (mostly just Yoga for yahoos, i believe that all occult sciences outside of it's vast mathimatical realm is hogwash) Some good reading! Personaly, I'm a transhumanist. I do not believe that a "humanistic manisfestaion" of a higher enegery is possible. I'm not talking about jesus, i mean that where ppl give god a "personality." I believe that imortality will soon be achieved via clones, up-loading brain patterns to computers (i read that the brain can be stored on a PC with a 2 terra byte harddrive), nanotechnology, and other evolutionary/technological advancements. I do also believe in re-incarnation. but not exactly sure if the same conscience remains. Meaning that when i die, my energy will be recycled into the earth and spread amongst the life. I'm not certian if it stays all in the same body when it reincarnates. |
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anyone know anything about organic technology? i think i heard that some organic computer prototypes were being developed. i wish i could understand this stuff better. |
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heard OF yeah .. heard that like they did stuff with DNA .. but more than that i couldn't tell ya |
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the only thing i've heard on that is that we're close to manipulating molucules with nanotechnology. (there's a re-arranger in autechre's basscadet video, it's the "good guy"). my friend has told me that japan is the closest to it with creating/growing perfect diamonds. |
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i think i noticed something about scientists from the US using leech neurons for a prototype organic calculator somewhere. another was an Israeli scientist developing some cubes for an organic prototype i think. & then i think i heard there was an exhibit in Japan where organic energy illuminated a small screen or something. that's pretty much mainly what i've come across so far |
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i dunno, i was just imagining, like, if we had organic computers that ran on DNA-based data, as comparison to today's puters whose data are based on 0s & 1s |
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well, i hope to experiance it! that'll be pretty damn interesting! "may you live in interesting times" -old chinese proverb (one of my favs!) |
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=) |
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No I don't believe either. I refuse to believe that one almighty being exists in a world that is full of so much atrocities! |
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I also think that people who follow the teachings of such religious scriptures such as the Bible and other books, cling onto such faiths because they do no wish to have the burden to make such decesions for themselves! God wouldn't want us to do that - it was written that, thou shalt not....." I sometimes think that if all these people who avidly go to church everyweek, are wrong about heaven and the whole religous, that they'll be so 'gutted' that they had wasted those sundays. |
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By the way - it isn't my intention to offend anyone, it just my own opinion. |
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Yes. |
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Ditto |
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I think we have this discussion every month :( so this time I don't participate. |
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You guys better watch it, jonesy's online now and he'll kick yer arses with some dialectic materialism. And us devil worshipers will be close behind!!!! |
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Oh man, if Jonesy's here we're doomed... :( |
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You're all gonna get it up the arse and no superior being will be there to help you, cause salvation is anyway promised only in the afterlife. |
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Predictable quote: Religion is the opium of the people, the sigh of the oppressed. A heart in a heartless world. Nuff said. |
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Isn't this quote by Karl Marx??? |
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hehe .. go the dialectic materialism! :) an aside - jonesy, u read any max stirner? |
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Korben, my man, Stirner!! Now we're talking. Plus have you all noticed my evil new pic? |
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:) u look the same to me - rather uncomfortable? haha |
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Not heard of him. Check this site out Meho http://www.marxists.org/ |
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Heavens above, hell under ground, angels and devils and rivers of wine. Thousands believe in a thousand gods, and one by one, each one is "the one". Fire and brimstone, Agog and Magog, plagues and floods and souls of the dead. Swallowed whole by almost all, these bedtime stories for grown-up kids. What we have here is a miracle of faith; you can see it all without looking at all. Heavens in reach but earth nowhere in sight, and your eyes are still wide shut... Want to see a true miracle, right here, right now? Open your eyes, look at your hands... these hands can build worlds... if you keep both feet on the ground. Ateist.com May 1, 2000 |
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Meho: have you read any Octave Mirbeau? |
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he was a neo-hegelian that from memory predated marx ... |
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Who, Mirbeau or Stirner? |
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No, Mirbeau was after Marx. |
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Fantastic quote Phob!!! |
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stirner .. dunno bout mirbeau (tho the name rings a bell) |
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He was a French anarchist around at the trun fo the century. |
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Didn't read Mirbeau. I guess I should check him out. And I will check that marxists site asap, but I have this meeting i have to go to in 5 minutes, so i'll be available later in the afternoon. And what do you mean my pic looks the same? THIS IS A MORBID ANGEL ALBUM COVER for fuckssake!! Oh, and, really nice poem, phobia. |
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I dont believe in god I dont think there is a further life but I would like it existed.... ooo shit everything would have more sense with an existing god and heaven...but I dont think thats possible. all through history men have try to find the truth about this subject...and nobody ever came to any definitive conclusion (in either way) I sometimes pray (I aske "him" to help me) but when I think of it ... I am sorry but I dont believe in god |
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I was brought up a Catholic and had to go to church every damn Sunday. It put me off religion for life. |
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