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Ben
from Denbigh (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 11:31 [#00136009]
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If i was the god, everything would be better. and at the moment everything is a bit poo. there cant be no god coz everything isnt equal and right all the time, you would think that if there were a god, he might keep everything in order, and not let such things as holocausts happen.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-03-22 11:43 [#00136015]
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are they not devine tests from which we learn?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 11:44 [#00136016]
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No.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-03-22 11:46 [#00136017]
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how can you be so sure?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 11:54 [#00136021]
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You can't. But how can you be sure there's not an Easter bunny?
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 11:55 [#00136023]
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hahaha!
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-03-22 11:59 [#00136029]
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Indeed, for these things you need belief. Some things are demonstrable, others not. More often than not we have to take other peoples word for it.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 12:00 [#00136032]
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I only believe in what is demonstrable.
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helios
from Zürich (Switzerland) on 2002-03-22 12:02 [#00136034]
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i believe in Deisims. i hope you understand me
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 12:06 [#00136039]
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seriously? is it possible to tune your perceptions of things/ideas/concepts on that basis? see i cant do that-like i know for example that tabloid papers are the least reliable source of information, yet whilst knowing this (from past legal cases in which it has been proven that information given to the public was incorrect/misleading) i still get taken in from time to time.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-03-22 12:06 [#00136040]
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Do you mean polytheisistic or pagan?
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helios
from Zürich (Switzerland) on 2002-03-22 12:10 [#00136042]
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exactly correct!!
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nacmat
on 2002-03-22 12:26 [#00136062]
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I was raised up in a catholic world but I am tired of catholism I dont like how the church haves all that money instead of sharing it with the 3rd world for example
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 12:28 [#00136067]
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1000th post. I am now a God. Bow down you maggots.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 12:31 [#00136070]
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Fuck the Catholic Church. They've done some bad shit - supported facists, oppressed women, abused kids...
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 12:31 [#00136071]
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if its not a daft question...and it is-where do you find the info on how many posts you've posted....????
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 12:31 [#00136072]
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Congrats Jonesy! Although don't you have to have million points to become a god??? Does anyone know?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 12:33 [#00136073]
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Fuck that. That's a lot of time on here.
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 12:33 [#00136074]
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ah found it-doh!
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-03-22 12:36 [#00136076]
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Very true Nacmat. There is a gaping divide between what is practiced and preached. It is strange that people continue the way they do. You would have thought they would have become suspicious.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 12:40 [#00136079]
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Most churches that I have been in (and there aren't that many..) seem so elaboratly decorated....but surely that is not needed to worship ones god? Better the money be spent on the poor and homeless - I agree!
I find religion very, very hypocritical!
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 12:42 [#00136080]
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i cant stand organised religion. its so unorganised. the bible (and i have read it) is a sham, the only good thing i can see in religion is that it offers people comfort.
as bill hicks once said in stand up-
'i dont care what you believe but you gotta admit that beliefs are strange-y'know? i mean, if jesus ever did come back to this earth, do you think he ever wants to see a fuckin cross round anyones neck?'
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 12:44 [#00136081]
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Those nutty evangelical groups scare me. I worked with a guy who was in one and he was odd. They prey on the weak and troubled.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 12:49 [#00136087]
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To worship the cross they nailed him to - I don't think so either.
Jonesy: Those evangelical types are a disgrace, they are nothing more than con artists, who sponge money for their own drug addictions probably!! It is so wrong!
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-22 12:52 [#00136088]
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The group I'm talking about tried to book St David's Hall as a registered charity the cheeky fuckers. This kid who lived behind me got sucked in.
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Jedy
from dublin (Ireland) on 2002-03-22 12:55 [#00136092]
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i don't know about god what i don't like is religions in general they shit! brain wash fuckers
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 12:56 [#00136093]
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I see people, especially old people, and thats having a go at old people...who go to church say everyday to pray, and I think, why do they do this? They go to these places and rest their faith in the hands of an existance, that they have absolutely no shred of evidence that it exists. None whatsoever!
They believe that they are being watched over, and are comforted by that thought, but I cannot for the life of me se how anyone could do that! The Bible teaches a way of life, a suggested way of doing things, but who's to say that it wasn't written by some kid years ago...and passed down generation to generation.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 12:57 [#00136095]
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it shouldv'e said 'not having a go at old people' in what I wrote above.....ooppS! That reads aweful doesn't it??
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 13:00 [#00136096]
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ironic that many of these so called 'representatives of our lord' have more in common with satan...
they are trully disgusting.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 13:03 [#00136098]
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I hadn't actually thought of it that way before Ken? And you are so, so right! It just makes a mockery of the so called 'faith' system!
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 13:13 [#00136105]
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it does jedi! i mean dont get me wrong were all human, we all make mistakes, and ive nothing agaisnt preists who whilst making a living from their faith also offer comfort to others-but evangelists are just fucking conning cunts. they are revolting.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 13:16 [#00136107]
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There should be laws against it! And I know this is a terrible thing to say, but there seems nowadays a lot of priests who get 'locked' up for doing stuff to kids....you hear of it all the time! And it is so, so shocking! Do these people as religous people really think they are going to a so-called heaven after doing such depraived acts.....it's a sorry state of affairs..
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Jedy
from dublin (Ireland) on 2002-03-22 13:17 [#00136108]
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every religion suck!
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 13:19 [#00136109]
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not sur what i meant by the 'we all make mistakes bit' just there...
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 13:19 [#00136110]
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...and I think the worst thing is, when they come banging on your front door, trying to ram their belieft down your throat!
And it is so wrong that they drag their young children around with them as well!
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-03-22 13:20 [#00136112]
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- shouldv'e read 'beliefs'
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 13:21 [#00136113]
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jedi-im pretty sure that these cunts aren't religious in the first place-they're only god is the dollar sign..
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-22 13:34 [#00136129]
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Bill hicks reverted to being a Baptist a couple of days before he died.
Oh, and I disagree with the Catholic church and not just because of what it does, but because of what it teaches.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-22 13:36 [#00136130]
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The people you're talking about are usually roman catholic priests. Their theology is fuct man.
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 13:38 [#00136134]
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didnt know that about bill hicks-well, i still agree with his comments on fundamentalist christianity.
god put fossils upon this earth to test our faith, indeed....
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-22 13:44 [#00136143]
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I remember Bill Hicks got accosted by these three "Christians" after a gig who said, "We liked your show, but drop the stuff about Jesus okay?" he said "If you're Christians, forgive me. And for fucks sake, stop wearing those crosses -when he comes back that'll be the last thing he wants to see!" :)
He grew up in a very religious family which is probably what put him off it. I mean, Marilyn Manson grew up in a strictly religious family and went to a Catholic school.
I reckon that if I ever have kids, I wouldn't take them to church, I'd let them choose to go when they're old enough. If you try to ram anything down people's throats, you just piss them off.
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-03-22 13:52 [#00136152]
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I don't beleive in god or that the bible is a "holy" book...but there's no doubt that the spirituality some people have inside them is 100% real, no matter what religion they believe in.... For me, just walking around in the nature, having a look at the blue sky while listening to some music make me feel "something" that touches me deeply, i can't really explain it, but i almost get high on it...
I think religions are the product of people trying to put this spirituality in a more logic context.
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KEN
from BIRMINGHAM (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-22 13:58 [#00136159]
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that, gonzola, is a fantastic way of putting it. i fully agree..
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-22 14:00 [#00136162]
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Yep, well put.
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Gonzola
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-03-22 14:23 [#00136203]
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thanx!
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2002-03-22 14:26 [#00136208]
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great stuff about mr hicks. i always wondered why the hell christians worship the cross. he died pinned down on one, for christ's sake!!!
:)
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kalaim badkaama
from Apt 512 in Gilmour Orbiter (Re on 2002-03-22 14:31 [#00136217]
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i stopped to believe in God. But i'm still convinced that there is a superior and invisible force that watch us but it has nothing to do with God as human see it.
Human has perverted religion's message.
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Vader
from € Lisbon, PT on 2002-03-22 14:36 [#00136221]
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Yes, because the Universe is full of mathematical regularity, its balanced since the big bang, an exemple of this is trying to put a pencil in a table in the vertical for the same time as the age of the universe thats how perfectly balance it is. It aint caothic therefore since only beings are capable of doing mathematics there must exist a god and we´re his dream.
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Vader
from € Lisbon, PT on 2002-03-22 14:44 [#00136230]
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I dont believe in god has in the bible or nothing like that, mine is philosophical, why it is so regular so perfect? Its so perfect that we apply rules to the universe and nature why it works that way and the other day not, sure that can be explain by physics now but in the criation it dint exist nothing besides vacuom if it didnt exist nothing it should continuem like that.
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-03-22 14:48 [#00136234]
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I find it funny how people who say they have never, or hardly ever have been to church can say that religions are hypocritical... how do you know? Do a bit of research before you make your claims... I also find it funny how you can say that people need religion because they can't make the decisions themselves... well, if you knew anything about Christianity then you'd know that it is all about OUR decisions... everything about it is about OUR decisions... sure we have things laid down about "Thou shalt not..." but how is that any different from the laws we have in our societies? The laws are written down, but we stull choose whether to follow the law or not... people don't become a christian and have there whole life planned out immediately... the reason the world is the way it is is because people have made their own decisions... Christians believe that God is there to help, but they also believe that you need to ask him to help you... it's clearly stated in the bible that we were given a choice of whether or not to be Christians... We could've been forced, but we weren't according to the bible...
and yes, I do get offended... I get offended when people with little or no facts about God, and the bible, and christianity bash the damn religion and bash me for believing in God and all this stuff... like why am I laughed at for believing in God? I should laugh at atheists and Buddhists, etc, because they don't believe in God... Oh, just look at their crazy ideas, and beliefs... they're different from mine, so I guess I had better make fun of them... maybe I'm taking this way too personally, and probably misinterpreting what some people are saying, but I have encountered a lot of ridicule in my time for my beliefs, and I think THAT is ridiculous... people make fun of religion, and say "Oh, he's a hypocrite" and yeah, you're a real holy person aren't you? Making fun of other peoples beliefs... I'm not aiming this at anyone, it's just my feelings... I don't judge people because of their beliefs, s
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