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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-11-19 07:11 [#02004650]
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Simply amazing. Got my Wii last night, played it for 6 hours straight, haven't slept. It took me two and a half hours to reach the first dungeon. Six and a half hours into it, and I haven't even reached the second. Definitely an ace game. It's dark, beautiful, and exciting.
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stefano_azevedo
from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-11-19 07:12 [#02004651]
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i envy you so hard
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-11-19 07:34 [#02004661]
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Stayed out for 7 hours from 1am to 8 to get it. Now I am too tired to do anything.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-19 09:04 [#02004684]
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Ah, I love the Zelda games. The graphics look a little poor on this new one, but i'm sure the gameplay shines.
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rudster
from the glasgow on 2006-11-19 09:34 [#02004699]
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ive pre-ordered mine for dec8th, cant wait.
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-19 09:45 [#02004705]
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i want a wii, but all my friends are saying its for kiddies
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uzim
on 2006-11-19 10:01 [#02004709]
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i pre-ordered a wii with zelda, i will get them for christmas.
...and i still think the name "wii" sounds stupid.
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tridenti
from Milano (Italy) on 2006-11-19 10:58 [#02004720]
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You bastard Oddio!
I've pre-ordered my Wii as well, but they said I couldn't pre-order a Zelda and that sucks hard. I hope to get my copy for Christmas!
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-19 12:44 [#02004777]
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ehm, this game is for gamecube. is the wii version a direct port or what?
also, has the gamecube version been released in europe yet?
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-11-19 12:54 [#02004783]
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yeah, calling it the "wii" is one of the biggest marketing mistakes i have ever seen. idiots.
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-11-19 15:59 [#02004878]
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they should have called it "cum" or "queef"
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Rostasky
from United States on 2006-11-19 16:02 [#02004879]
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Well, they did get everyone to complain about it, so it couldn't have been THAT big of a marketing mistake.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-11-19 16:08 [#02004880]
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it's still a shit name though. i don't want one purely because of the name.
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pigster
from melbs on 2006-11-19 16:36 [#02004889]
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so you're a stupid bastard then? so its a shit name, but just put some black tape over the logo if you ever get one.
i cant wait to get a wii and play the new zelda, hopefully by the end of this year or some time next year.
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grinningcat
from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-19 16:55 [#02004894]
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ive seen some videos of the new zelda, and it jus looks so simliar to ocarina of time in terms of gameplay... burning cobwebs with flames, slashing grass for rupees etc
theres a video review of it to download over at www.ign.com
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-19 16:59 [#02004896]
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when does the gamecube version come out?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-19 17:58 [#02004915]
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the gamecube version is scheduled for the 13th of december, in the U.S. at least.
read: you'll have to buy a Wii if you can't wait. it's a bit shitty a move, really.
funny thing is, GameSpot gave it a 8.8 and now all the fanbois are foaming at the mouth.
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SPD
from United States on 2006-11-19 21:00 [#02004927]
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i thought GC version was coming out Dec. 12th.
according to Wikipedia the differences are mostly in the use of the Wii motion control remote as to how you shoot the bow or fight w/ the sword.
the interesting bit is that the Wii version may be an exact mirror to the GC version. Link is traditionally left handed and that's how the game was developed, but when they decided to expand it to the Wii, they found that most people were right handed or at least fought w/ the sword/remote in their right hand, so they horizontally flipped the whole game. people who like the romote in the left hand can still fight that way but the game is still righty. not confirmed but interesting.
hope they make the GC version worth it cause i'm going to have that one too. some cool promo thing maybe or some extra rooms or a dungeon.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-19 21:48 [#02004933]
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I'll remember the aftermath of the 8.8 for a long time, that was a great night on the internet, even better than the 7.9. I like the video game culture more than actually playing video games. The 8.8 did seem pretty inexplicable though. Opinions are weird.
I wasn't able to get a Wii but my video game plate is too full right now already, so I can deal with it. Christmas is going to wail.
Anybody with a Wii play around on the Virtual Console yet?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 05:01 [#02004971]
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the 8.8 storm is still roaring. it's funny reading the comments. they either read as some indifferent guy going "what? hey, it's just a review on a website, get over it" or as someone on the verge of crying and vomiting at the same time.
8.8 is an incredible score, who cares how a game scores on a website anyway.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2006-11-20 08:33 [#02005020]
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yea, well gamespot reviews are generally unfair, because it all depends on some crappy math. Though I think there are some reasonable people working for them, they still should refocus and redesign their rating system a bit. Not just because of Zelda, heavens, but because it's systemic. For entertainment, turn to Gamespot; for quality reviews, turn to IGN.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 08:46 [#02005026]
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surely they people who focus only on the mathematics of ratings are as stupid as the rating system itself?
it's not really the point, anyway. they're also attacking the review itself.
and I don't agree - I like GameSpot's reviews a lot more than the IGN reviews, which seem to want to placate the fanbois just a little too much.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 08:47 [#02005027]
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they = the. doh.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-20 10:21 [#02005045]
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Ideally, there wouldn't be a numbered system anyway, at least not one with such small increments. It just gets absurd when people use point differentials of .1 or .2 points or whatever in arguments to make some sort of ''objective'' point. Plus, people will cite, say, Twilight Princess' IGN score and compare it to older Zelda games as if TP's 9.5 implies it's an inferior game to Ocarina of Time, which got a 10, or Wind Waker*, which got a 9.6. Then they'll throw a hissyfit at Matt Cassamassina or whoever. Without considering the reasoning and context within the review. The numbers take precendence over everything.
It's fun though.
*I'm in the minority that liked Wind Waker's art style a lot more than Twilight Princess', but the game felt insultingly easy and derivative to me. 9.6 YEAH RIGHT, FAT IDIOT REVIEWER
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2006-11-20 13:51 [#02005138]
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qrter, i agree ign wants to give good grades to well-established franchises, but i simply feel their reviews are more in-depth. But that's just taste. But consider this: Zelda got a "tilt" of full 10, but somehow the overall score is 8.8? That's just dumb.
Which brings me to IGN's review. Actually, this time they might have nailed the score (says someone who obviously hasn't yet played Twilight Princess!). Some of the other reviewers are giving ridiculous scores like 9.9 or even 10.0. Anything above 9.7 is highly suspect in my books. I remember when a Finnish magazine gave a 100/100 for the first Donkey Kong Country, which was total nonsense. People get way too carried away in the hype. No game is perfect, not even worth 9.9 I would think!
Ophecks, you know I've played all but the rarest of Zeldas, and Wind Waker is nowhere near the top, but still I would give it a fair 9.2 or so, it's incredibly fun.
As for comparing scores, I think it's strange, but perhaps unavoidable, that game scores "devalue" over time, as if graphical development alone would make a good game less valuable in a few years. Ideally this shouldn't happen.
Speaking of untimely reviews, now the jackasses at Gamespot are reviewing downloadable online games for Wii like Sonic and Altered Beast. They just gave Sonic The Hedgehog 7.3. I repeat, they just gave Sonic 7.3. Somebody tell them stop being idiots!
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 15:12 [#02005185]
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retro games are dying because of this shit.
emulators can never replace the actual console, but when you have a nintendo device hooked to your tv that can play any game, would you bother dusting off your actual nintendo machines?
cant fight the laziness..
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-20 17:16 [#02005250]
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I think emulation has been great for retro gaming, and so will the Virtual Console/Xbox Live Arcade/Playstation Network. I personally hate dragging out my old consoles (some of which hardly work anymore) and having to manage all the wires and crap in my entertainment center. It's the same old games, the same old intellectual property, no matter how you play it. It's not like they're lossy MP3s or something, they're the same thing.
The convenience is great for people that have elaborate setups and don't want to deal with hookup bullshit, that's an annoying waste of time and space and effort. And you can get the best possible picture quality. Like a component picture for systems that couldn't be played with that kind of clarity and vibrance before.
Hopefully this is a big success and some of the more obscure gems that people didn't get to play before will find a new audience and market.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-20 20:47 [#02005277]
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I just realized you were talking about the ORIGINAL Sonic the Hedgehog. I though you were complaining about one of the new Sonic games, which are crap, but man, Sonic 1 deserves a 9 on the sountrack alone. I see they also gave Mario 64 an 8.0. Dubious.
Maybe they're factoring the value, though... these are not good prices, especially considering you can buy Sonic Collection or the other Sega collections for PS2 for like 20 bucks and get a shitload of games on there.
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pigster
from melbs on 2006-11-20 21:07 [#02005278]
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heh, i really dont like super mario 64. the gameplay and controls just piss me off, but oh well.
as for emulators, i have no problem with it, cos it is convient and such, and like, nothing can make me 100% happy but playing the real things. when i got me nes, it was such a joy to have one as part of the family again, and to play games using those terrible square controls, but its such a hassle having to look after it.
so im happy with both emulators and real thing.
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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2006-11-21 02:25 [#02005332]
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wow, Mario score is dubious indeed! They're complaining about the graphics like the game was made yesterday. They also gave it a "value" of 7 - what?? Ridiculous amount of stars, man. Whether you think the game (like sonic) is an immortal classic is another thing (I do), but to pull old games down because of time is shameful enough...
That said, they're milking the cash cow with this. I remember having faint hopes in the early days of the virtual console hype (circa E3 of 2005) of getting to play TONS of old games for little or NO fees. But then reality came into the picture: Nintendo is a company of secondary merchandise. I'll stick to my emulators - especially since the review of mario64 mentions "a couple of minor emulation issues". What happened to pitch-perfect emulation?
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-21 03:07 [#02005338]
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gaming review number-ratings are pretty pointless...
there should only be 3: "buy,rent,neither" ....
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child810
from boston (United States) on 2006-11-21 20:27 [#02005978]
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Got a Wii and Zelda Sunday morning. I can't stop playing it. I'm 20 hours in (I've had it 3 days!) and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface of the game. It's epic and the pacing is amazing. Great art design and some really creative boss encounters.
The Wii controls are solid. Using the pointer for weapons and other things (I don't want to spoil anything) work very well.
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DeLtoiD
from Ontario on 2006-11-23 07:53 [#02006690]
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great game so far - on par with the series! Wii is great - zelda im finding is a bit easy IMO, hopefully it becomes a bit more challenging.
red stell isn't bad either. the controls took me a while to warm up to, but so far - im l oving it.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 08:13 [#02006703]
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I cancelled my Wii pre-order. I have other things to spend the money on. I'm upset.
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-23 08:19 [#02006705]
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gonna see the Wii in action for the first time next sunday
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-23 11:55 [#02006773]
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interesting.
i always find part of the retro value comes from bothering with all the wires, and jamming in the cartridge at a funny angle to make the game run. It's a lot more satisfactory than just going to a menu, selecting game and knowing that it will run. Just like you listen more carefully/focused after putting a cd in the cd player as opposed to clicking through your m3 library on your ipod. IMO.
I love the click feel on the NES on/off button for example and those cartridges are just great. And playing mario bros with a nes controller or a snes/cube/wii one is a huge difference.
Maybe i'm being weird, but I'd never get rid of my consoles no matter how close they get to replicating the whole deal in a shiny new digital package.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-23 12:14 [#02006781]
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I'd never get rid of my old consoles either, but I like the pick up and play aspect of old games, for me that's the biggest selling point of retro gaming, the instant accessibility and gratification. It's a nice change from the commitment and effort you have to put into modern gaming.
But I just can't pick up and play my old consoles. For one thing, it's an adventure just to get my NES working, and for another, I have all my current gen systems hooked up to my TV and I have no inputs left. It's not worth the effort for me to dig out the wires and then manage them (my room is already a jungle of wires). Mario 2 plays and sounds exactly the same on an Xbox emulator anyway, and looks crisper.
I get what you're coming from though, and it feels nostalgic to play with the old hardware. I never personally feel like it's worth my time, though. Modern gaming is taxing enough, I just want to be able to load up Sonic 2 at the touch of a button and get right into having fun.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 21:34 [#02006961]
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I'm just now looking at newer generation consoles on youtube... what is this shit; you play wii mostly with a tv tuner type of thing and its mostly about motion like dance dance revolution or moving swords with your motion thingy... stupid.
And the games didn't look too spectacular. Another mario game; looks the same as gamecube.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 21:36 [#02006962]
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I also like hearing megaman style music instead of screaming guitars and vocals.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 22:05 [#02006968]
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geometry wars on xbox 360 looks pretty cool
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 23:33 [#02006987]
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The ps3 uses this motion crap too! In call of duty or something you have to unlock a door or something and it flashes a 'rotate controller left and right' prompt... stupid... I don't want my arms to be part of the input. Hey everybody, here's a new concept that sucks, so be sure to imitate it...
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-24 00:15 [#02007007]
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I'm gonna get an xbox 360 almost definately instead of those other 2. "Live arcade"s collection of retro games is awesome. plus the main system games look way better than ps3 or wii (wii looks very lame). Nintendo should jump ship on consoles and make old school games for xbox's live arcade- more 2d ish like they used to.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-24 00:16 [#02007009]
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Here's another post by me.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-11-24 00:20 [#02007012]
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you knock that shite off mister, you know the rules on xlt
6 posts in a row and give your self a hickey on your neck from a vaccum cleaner, and post the pic on xlt
your one of my favorite wmw.
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-11-25 18:55 [#02007943]
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actually, i work at a games store, and our release date for the GC version of Zelda was pulled a month before the Wii launched. I've heard you can only download the GC version in Japan - waiting on a GC version is kind of iffy though.
I am about 45 hours into this game now, and have lost two nights of sleep to it (not consecutive, thankfully.) it's the best zelda i've played yet, and while it is darker than other zeldas, it doesn't lose its classic Nintendo charm.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-25 20:03 [#02007957]
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nes zelda- 10/10 nes zelda 2- 8.8/10 snes zelda- 7.5/10 n64 ocarina- 3/10 majoras mask 2.5/10
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OK
on 2006-11-26 09:09 [#02008155]
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nes w W w- 10/10 nes w W w 2- 10/20 snes w W w- 1/30 n64 w M w-1/35 w W w with a mask- 1/10000
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-26 11:30 [#02008199]
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OK
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-26 13:42 [#02008258]
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played the demo today fucking awesome for having to stand in line for 3 hours
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Oddioblender
from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-11-27 07:53 [#02008583]
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i also hate when they apply new ratings to retro games. i would also give Sonic a 9, easily. People need to take into context the time a game was made. Sonic was very fast for its time, still is in some respects.
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