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offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-11-19 07:11 [#02004650]
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Simply amazing. Got my Wii last night, played it for 6
hours straight, haven't slept. It took me two and a half
hours to reach the first dungeon. Six and a half hours into
it, and I haven't even reached the second. Definitely an ace
game. It's dark, beautiful, and exciting.


 

offline stefano_azevedo from Pindorama (Brazil) on 2006-11-19 07:12 [#02004651]
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i envy you so hard


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-11-19 07:34 [#02004661]
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Stayed out for 7 hours from 1am to 8 to get it. Now I am
too tired to do anything.


 

offline Brisk from selling smack at the orphanage on 2006-11-19 09:04 [#02004684]
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Ah, I love the Zelda games. The graphics look a little poor
on this new one, but i'm sure the gameplay shines.


 

offline rudster from the glasgow on 2006-11-19 09:34 [#02004699]
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ive pre-ordered mine for dec8th, cant wait.



 

offline grinningcat from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-19 09:45 [#02004705]
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i want a wii, but all my friends are saying its for kiddies


 

offline uzim on 2006-11-19 10:01 [#02004709]
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i pre-ordered a wii with zelda, i will get them for
christmas.



...and i still think the name "wii" sounds stupid.


 

offline tridenti from Milano (Italy) on 2006-11-19 10:58 [#02004720]
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You bastard Oddio!

I've pre-ordered my Wii as well, but they said I couldn't
pre-order a Zelda and that sucks hard. I hope to get my copy
for Christmas!


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-19 12:44 [#02004777]
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ehm, this game is for gamecube. is the wii version a direct
port or what?

also, has the gamecube version been released in europe yet?


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2006-11-19 12:54 [#02004783]
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yeah, calling it the "wii" is one of the biggest marketing
mistakes i have ever seen. idiots.


 

offline stilaktive from a place on 2006-11-19 15:59 [#02004878]
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they should have called it "cum" or "queef"


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2006-11-19 16:02 [#02004879]
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Well, they did get everyone to complain about it, so it
couldn't have been THAT big of a marketing mistake.


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2006-11-19 16:08 [#02004880]
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it's still a shit name though. i don't want one purely
because of the name.


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-11-19 16:36 [#02004889]
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so you're a stupid bastard then?
so its a shit name, but just put some black tape over the
logo if you ever get one.

i cant wait to get a wii and play the new zelda, hopefully
by the end of this year or some time next year.


 

offline grinningcat from london (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-19 16:55 [#02004894]
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ive seen some videos of the new zelda, and it jus looks so
simliar to ocarina of time in terms of gameplay... burning
cobwebs with flames, slashing grass for rupees etc

theres a video review of it to download over at www.ign.com


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-19 16:59 [#02004896]
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when does the gamecube version come out?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-19 17:58 [#02004915]
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the gamecube version is scheduled for the 13th of december,
in the U.S. at least.

read: you'll have to buy a Wii if you can't wait. it's a bit
shitty a move, really.

funny thing is, GameSpot gave it a 8.8 and now all the
fanbois are foaming at the mouth.


 

offline SPD from United States on 2006-11-19 21:00 [#02004927]
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i thought GC version was coming out Dec. 12th.

according to Wikipedia the differences are mostly in the use
of the Wii motion control remote as to how you shoot the bow
or fight w/ the sword.

the interesting bit is that the Wii version may be an exact
mirror to the GC version. Link is traditionally left handed
and that's how the game was developed, but when they decided
to expand it to the Wii, they found that most people were
right handed or at least fought w/ the sword/remote in their
right hand, so they horizontally flipped the whole game.
people who like the romote in the left hand can still fight
that way but the game is still righty. not confirmed but
interesting.

hope they make the GC version worth it cause i'm going to
have that one too. some cool promo thing maybe or some extra
rooms or a dungeon.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-19 21:48 [#02004933]
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I'll remember the aftermath of the 8.8 for a long time, that
was a great night on the internet, even better than the 7.9.
I like the video game culture more than actually playing
video games. The 8.8 did seem pretty inexplicable though.
Opinions are weird.

I wasn't able to get a Wii but my video game plate is too
full right now already, so I can deal with it. Christmas is
going to wail.

Anybody with a Wii play around on the Virtual Console yet?


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 05:01 [#02004971]
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the 8.8 storm is still roaring. it's funny reading the
comments. they either read as some indifferent guy going
"what? hey, it's just a review on a website, get over it" or
as someone on the verge of crying and vomiting at the same
time.

8.8 is an incredible score, who cares how a game scores on a
website anyway.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2006-11-20 08:33 [#02005020]
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yea, well gamespot reviews are generally unfair, because it
all depends on some crappy math. Though I think there are
some reasonable people working for them, they still should
refocus and redesign their rating system a bit. Not just
because of Zelda, heavens, but because it's systemic. For
entertainment, turn to Gamespot; for quality reviews, turn
to IGN.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 08:46 [#02005026]
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surely they people who focus only on the mathematics of
ratings are as stupid as the rating system itself?

it's not really the point, anyway. they're also attacking
the review itself.

and I don't agree - I like GameSpot's reviews a lot more
than the IGN reviews, which seem to want to placate the
fanbois just a little too much.


 

offline qrter from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 08:47 [#02005027]
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they = the. doh.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-20 10:21 [#02005045]
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Ideally, there wouldn't be a numbered system anyway, at
least not one with such small increments. It just gets
absurd when people use point differentials of .1 or .2
points or whatever in arguments to make some sort of
''objective'' point. Plus, people will cite, say, Twilight
Princess' IGN score and compare it to older Zelda games as
if TP's 9.5 implies it's an inferior game to Ocarina of
Time, which got a 10, or Wind Waker*, which got a 9.6. Then
they'll throw a hissyfit at Matt Cassamassina or whoever.
Without considering the reasoning and context within the
review. The numbers take precendence over everything.

It's fun though.

*I'm in the minority that liked Wind Waker's art style a lot
more than Twilight Princess', but the game felt insultingly
easy and derivative to me. 9.6 YEAH RIGHT, FAT IDIOT
REVIEWER


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2006-11-20 13:51 [#02005138]
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qrter, i agree ign wants to give good grades to
well-established franchises, but i simply feel their reviews
are more in-depth. But that's just taste. But consider this:
Zelda got a "tilt" of full 10, but somehow the overall score
is 8.8? That's just dumb.

Which brings me to IGN's review. Actually, this time they
might have nailed the score (says someone who obviously
hasn't yet played Twilight Princess!). Some of the other
reviewers are giving ridiculous scores like 9.9 or even
10.0. Anything above 9.7 is highly suspect in my books. I
remember when a Finnish magazine gave a 100/100 for the
first Donkey Kong Country, which was total nonsense. People
get way too carried away in the hype. No game is perfect,
not even worth 9.9 I would think!

Ophecks, you know I've played all but the rarest of Zeldas,
and Wind Waker is nowhere near the top, but still I would
give it a fair 9.2 or so, it's incredibly fun.

As for comparing scores, I think it's strange, but perhaps
unavoidable, that game scores "devalue" over time, as if
graphical development alone would make a good game less
valuable in a few years. Ideally this shouldn't happen.

Speaking of untimely reviews, now the jackasses at Gamespot
are reviewing downloadable online games for Wii like Sonic
and Altered Beast. They just gave Sonic The Hedgehog 7.3. I
repeat, they just gave Sonic 7.3. Somebody tell them stop
being idiots!


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-20 15:12 [#02005185]
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retro games are dying because of this shit.

emulators can never replace the actual console, but when you
have a nintendo device hooked to your tv that can play any
game, would you bother dusting off your actual nintendo
machines?

cant fight the laziness..


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-20 17:16 [#02005250]
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I think emulation has been great for retro gaming, and so
will the Virtual Console/Xbox Live Arcade/Playstation
Network. I personally hate dragging out my old consoles
(some of which hardly work anymore) and having to manage all
the wires and crap in my entertainment center. It's the same
old games, the same old intellectual property, no matter how
you play it. It's not like they're lossy MP3s or something,
they're the same thing.

The convenience is great for people that have elaborate
setups and don't want to deal with hookup bullshit, that's
an annoying waste of time and space and effort. And you can
get the best possible picture quality. Like a component
picture for systems that couldn't be played with that kind
of clarity and vibrance before.

Hopefully this is a big success and some of the more obscure
gems that people didn't get to play before will find a new
audience and market.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-20 20:47 [#02005277]
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I just realized you were talking about the ORIGINAL Sonic
the Hedgehog. I though you were complaining about one of the
new Sonic games, which are crap, but man, Sonic 1 deserves a
9 on the sountrack alone. I see they also gave Mario 64 an
8.0. Dubious.

Maybe they're factoring the value, though... these are not
good prices, especially considering you can buy Sonic
Collection or the other Sega collections for PS2 for like 20
bucks and get a shitload of games on there.


 

offline pigster from melbs on 2006-11-20 21:07 [#02005278]
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heh, i really dont like super mario 64. the gameplay and
controls just piss me off, but oh well.
as for emulators, i have no problem with it, cos it is
convient and such, and like, nothing can make me 100% happy
but playing the real things. when i got me nes, it was such
a joy to have one as part of the family again, and to play
games using those terrible square controls, but its such a
hassle having to look after it.
so im happy with both emulators and real thing.


 

offline BoxBob-K23 from Finland on 2006-11-21 02:25 [#02005332]
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wow, Mario score is dubious indeed! They're complaining
about the graphics like the game was made yesterday. They
also gave it a "value" of 7 - what?? Ridiculous amount of
stars, man. Whether you think the game (like sonic) is an
immortal classic is another thing (I do), but to pull old
games down because of time is shameful enough...

That said, they're milking the cash cow with this. I
remember having faint hopes in the early days of the virtual
console hype (circa E3 of 2005) of getting to play TONS of
old games for little or NO fees. But then reality came into
the picture: Nintendo is a company of secondary merchandise.
I'll stick to my emulators - especially since the review of
mario64 mentions "a couple of minor emulation issues". What
happened to pitch-perfect emulation?


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-21 03:07 [#02005338]
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gaming review number-ratings are pretty pointless...

there should only be 3: "buy,rent,neither" ....


 

offline child810 from boston (United States) on 2006-11-21 20:27 [#02005978]
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Got a Wii and Zelda Sunday morning. I can't stop playing it.
I'm 20 hours in (I've had it 3 days!) and I feel like I've
barely scratched the surface of the game. It's epic and the
pacing is amazing. Great art design and some really creative
boss encounters.

The Wii controls are solid. Using the pointer for weapons
and other things (I don't want to spoil anything) work very
well.


 

offline DeLtoiD from Ontario on 2006-11-23 07:53 [#02006690]
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great game so far - on par with the series!
Wii is great - zelda im finding is a bit easy IMO, hopefully
it becomes a bit more challenging.

red stell isn't bad either. the controls took me a while to
warm up to, but so far - im l oving it.


 

offline giginger from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 08:13 [#02006703]
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I cancelled my Wii pre-order. I have other things to spend
the money on. I'm upset.


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-23 08:19 [#02006705]
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gonna see the Wii in action for the first time next sunday


 

offline J198 from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-23 11:55 [#02006773]
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interesting.

i always find part of the retro value comes from bothering
with all the wires, and jamming in the cartridge at a funny
angle to make the game run. It's a lot more satisfactory
than just going to a menu, selecting game and knowing that
it will run. Just like you listen more carefully/focused
after putting a cd in the cd player as opposed to clicking
through your m3 library on your ipod. IMO.

I love the click feel on the NES on/off button for example
and those cartridges are just great. And playing mario bros
with a nes controller or a snes/cube/wii one is a huge
difference.

Maybe i'm being weird, but I'd never get rid of my consoles
no matter how close they get to replicating the whole deal
in a shiny new digital package.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2006-11-23 12:14 [#02006781]
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I'd never get rid of my old consoles either, but I like the
pick up and play aspect of old games, for me that's the
biggest selling point of retro gaming, the instant
accessibility and gratification. It's a nice change from the
commitment and effort you have to put into modern gaming.

But I just can't pick up and play my old consoles. For one
thing, it's an adventure just to get my NES working, and for
another, I have all my current gen systems hooked up to my
TV and I have no inputs left. It's not worth the effort for
me to dig out the wires and then manage them (my room is
already a jungle of wires). Mario 2 plays and sounds exactly
the same on an Xbox emulator anyway, and looks crisper.

I get what you're coming from though, and it feels nostalgic
to play with the old hardware. I never personally feel like
it's worth my time, though. Modern gaming is taxing enough,
I just want to be able to load up Sonic 2 at the touch of a
button and get right into having fun.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 21:34 [#02006961]
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I'm just now looking at newer generation consoles on
youtube... what is this shit; you play wii mostly with a tv
tuner type of thing and its mostly about motion like dance
dance revolution or moving swords with your motion thingy...
stupid.
And the games didn't look too spectacular. Another mario
game; looks the same as gamecube.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 21:36 [#02006962]
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I also like hearing megaman style music instead of screaming
guitars and vocals.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 22:05 [#02006968]
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geometry wars on xbox 360 looks pretty cool


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-23 23:33 [#02006987]
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The ps3 uses this motion crap too! In call of duty or
something you have to unlock a door or something and it
flashes a 'rotate controller left and right' prompt...
stupid... I don't want my arms to be part of the input. Hey
everybody, here's a new concept that sucks, so be sure to
imitate it...


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-24 00:15 [#02007007]
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I'm gonna get an xbox 360 almost definately instead of those
other 2. "Live arcade"s collection of retro games is
awesome. plus the main system games look way better than ps3
or wii (wii looks very lame). Nintendo should jump ship on
consoles and make old school games for xbox's live arcade-
more 2d ish like they used to.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-24 00:16 [#02007009]
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Here's another post by me.


 

online recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2006-11-24 00:20 [#02007012]
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you knock that shite off mister, you know the rules on xlt

6 posts in a row and give your self a hickey on your neck
from a vaccum cleaner, and post the pic on xlt

your one of my favorite wmw.


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-11-25 18:55 [#02007943]
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actually, i work at a games store, and our release date for
the GC version of Zelda was pulled a month before the Wii
launched. I've heard you can only download the GC version in
Japan - waiting on a GC version is kind of iffy though.

I am about 45 hours into this game now, and have lost two
nights of sleep to it (not consecutive, thankfully.) it's
the best zelda i've played yet, and while it is darker than
other zeldas, it doesn't lose its classic Nintendo charm.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-25 20:03 [#02007957]
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nes zelda- 10/10
nes zelda 2- 8.8/10
snes zelda- 7.5/10
n64 ocarina- 3/10
majoras mask 2.5/10


 

offline OK on 2006-11-26 09:09 [#02008155]
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nes w W w- 10/10
nes w W w 2- 10/20
snes w W w- 1/30
n64 w M w-1/35
w W w with a mask- 1/10000


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-26 11:30 [#02008199]
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OK


 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2006-11-26 13:42 [#02008258]
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played the demo today
fucking awesome for having to stand in line for 3 hours


 

offline Oddioblender from Fort Worth, TX (United States) on 2006-11-27 07:53 [#02008583]
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i also hate when they apply new ratings to retro games. i
would also give Sonic a 9, easily. People need to take into
context the time a game was made. Sonic was very fast for
its time, still is in some respects.


 


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