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Just a couple of small observations, the US defense budget isn't $450 million, the 2004 budget is $380 million, which is 4.2% up on the current year. UN sanctions haven't caused 1.5 million deaths in Iraq. Saddam Hussein can sell as much oil as he likes to buy food and medical supplies but chooses not to. Saddam is killing his people, not the UN. |
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I cant argue, I dont know those data anyway I know sadam is killing his people...ok thats tru... but bush is too |
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Incidentally, today is the 15th anniversary of the day Saddam Hussein gassed 5000 of his own people in the town of Halabja. |
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I'm not saying that Sadam isn't killing his own people, but economic boycots have the most effect on the weaker part of the population. Further: Sadam is not allowed to sell as much oil as he likes, there is a limit (I do not know how much). And I have one question: where does Bush get the right to say that others are not allowed to have weapons of mass destruction while he has them himself? What if other nations woul say that america is a threat to world peace? Would he like others to invade his country? America should not be playing police of the world, they have no right to do so! |
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Iraq can sell as much oil as it likes. The limitations were lifted in December 1999. More info . The difference with Iraq having WMD and the US having WMD is that the US is a democracy with various checks and balances so strictly control their develoment and usage. |
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now I feel safe! nuts |
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You're in Spain, who would want to waste their WMD on you? ;) |
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well we are really near morocco and if this war lasts more than expected it wouldnt be strange that more islamic countries joined irak... and we are right in the borderline with the islamic world (which for me is great cos I love their culture) |
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apart from that I know spain doesnt count a shit in the world theatre.... better for us |
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nobody bothers us and we live pretty well but aznar seems as if he wanted to fuck all that |
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I am personally in favour of a democracy of course, but the western world has no right whatsoever to say it is better. The people over there have a different culture, that we do not understand. All the other country's over their are governed mostly in the same way, are the US going to overthrow them all? Furthermore: Sadam has never used his WMD as far as I know (I might be wrong). And one thing: as with Al Quaida, who are the ones that gave Sadam weaponry in the 80's? Who taught Sadam how to fight Iran? The US needs to stop messing around in other parts of the word. We all know that their army is stronger and more technologicaly advanced. What's the use? Guarding world peace by war? Every war they have fought (and they have fought many) has had consequences! You should watch the movie "bowling for columbine"! Last question: why is he fighting terrorism by attacking (bush hasn't attacked yet, but it will come), but doesn't he do a thing about Israel/Palestine (There are multiple resolutions on this case and the Israelians have not followed even one). U try to explain this double moral to Iraqi's. |
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I'm all for a war, and I'll tell you why... Standards and society have gotten shitter and shitter over the years, and we all know how wars pull people together. It is going to happen, and while I feel dreadfully sorry for the innocents who will die, in the overall grand scheme of things everything will be better. I hate all these people who go out protesting, when the war is over and we have our peace back what are the nay-sayers going to say then? And they definetly won't be given any respect from the US or Britain, amongst other countries... A war is what has been needed for eons, society is completely ****ed, something drastic needs to happen to bring us all back together and put back some standards. That's my view. |
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ok thats your view. sorry man, but my view is this: all you said in that post was NAZI sorry, I cant express it in a better way... but it is just my opinion... |
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You're someone who thinks everything can be resolved peacefully, and life is not that simple unfortunately. |
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AE King hopefully you are not a super hero, or else you wouldnt try a shit to save us ;) like som powerpuff girl without chemical element x |
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ok ok... I have to calm down a bit... how could I explain... (my english is so poor) you said: "while I feel dreadfully sorry for the innocents who will die, in the overall grand scheme of things everything will be better" I just think that doesnt make sense... I doubt it will get better the thing is usa is going to attack suposedly cos irak breaks lots of UN laws... but if usa attack thats breaking a UN law... it sounds ridiculous another thing you said: "society have gotten shitter and shitter over the years, and we all know how wars pull people together" war pulls people together? didnt know that... I would have sweared that wars make people fight against eachother and because this society is shiter every time is why we still think of wars |
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it seems propagenda have solid roots in australia |
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you said: "while I feel dreadfully sorry for the innocents who will die, in the overall grand scheme of things everything will be better" yes better for the usa imperialism |
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waww nacmat... tell me how spanish people feel to be one of the only country up to war ??? must be terrible to live |
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Incase you didn't realize Nacmat, teh UN is the most useless organization ont he planet, when was the last time they did anything, they are PATHETIC! Take your balls out of the 'laws' purse and look at the bigger picture ffs... My point about society was obvious, you obviously didn't pick up on it though. What was everyone like when the september 11 event occured? it was like another world, everyone was united and talking to each other and we were not pretentious at all...the war would bring people together in a much bigger way (in the grand scheme of things ffs, not just the ppl fighting!!), society is going downhill at the moment as has been for ages |
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good point: I am ashamed of my governors!! our governors are up to war, not the spanish people I didnt vote for this governor, but people who did, did it 3 years ago, if we had known this, I doubt they (the actual goverment)would have won the elections. the 15th of february more than 4 million people protested in spain for the goverment position towards war yesterday not so many people but still lots of people did. in madrid about 400000 people this time took the streets to protest. spanish people are against this war. our fucking nazi president is alone in this, with his fucking ministers |
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I get you... but: THE RESULT CANNOT JUSTIFY THE MEDIUMS |
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And what is the result in your opinion? |
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you say that the war bring people together... and we all sing like in a film with julie andrews... well thats beautifull, but it doesnt justify killing lots of innocent irakies |
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saddam is killing his people all the time my friend...saddam has a high probablity of giving rogue terrorists in the near vicinity of his chemical weapons...more inncocents will die and round we go again till we realise we should ahve done something... |
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"My point about society was obvious, you obviously didn't pick up on it though. What was everyone like when the september 11 event occured? it was like another world, everyone was united and talking to each other and we were not pretentious at all...the war would bring people together in a much bigger way (in the grand scheme of things ffs, not just the ppl fighting!!), society is going downhill at the moment as has been for ages" hey you havent a big culture dude...dont feel sorry :) the 11 september happens everywhere on the planet everyday. its NOT coz the USA decides its the worst thing in the world... its ridiculous, the world didnt change on 11.9, its a media illusion dude !! alot more innocwents will explode in iraq than in your poor towers !!! and saying that united nations are shit and pathetic is trully an asshole statement.. and im not against your thinking, you can think what you want.. am i generous or what?? |
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AE_king: the only thing this war will bring is even more hatred towards the USA. Why is it that mostly the USA are the target of terrorist attacks? Indeed: the wars from before! I don't agree with fundamentalism of terrorism, but this is what you create when you wil go out to f*cking war. That americans can be so stupid not to see that, daimn. The thing is: we western people (people of the so called civilised world) do not understand muslim culture, it is different. Not better, not worse than ours; different. We need to stop this cultural imperialism. It 's the same as the nazi's, it 's the same as the spanish and portugues in southern america, it's the same with aboriginals in Australia, the same with colonialism in africa, the list is endless. Haven't we learned anything from out history books? The only thing war generates is hatred! |
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now that is some reasonable argument... and not that first one about war pulling people together. about saddam being a fuking bastard... I know, so he should be judged and sent to prison. for that it would be neccessary that UN was not as useless as you say (and I agree) it is. so the thing is to give the UN the correct power and solve this. not to kill people. there are ways of getting sadam others than war |
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man this is weird talking about something so deep when I'm playing chrono cross and drinking goon and lsitening to drukqs 0_o |
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hehe seems you cannot do many things at the same time, your arguments went all "goony" |
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The UN are pathetic, prove me wrong...they (and you) don't seem to realize Saddam is playing a cat and mouse game, he'll give a bit more info with regards to the whereabouts of the weapons everytime the deadline shortens...how ****ing embarrasing |
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dont get me wrong... I am just having some interesting talk with you... I respect that other people can have other opinion... but I have mine |
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oh, and yesh, goon is the drink of the gods!!! hmmm, think i'll listen to some goono reactor now ;) hang on...drukqs is too farking good :D I mean, seriouslah, this album is f'n ace dudes |
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And yeah, no hard feelings I hope likewise Nacmat, I respect your opinion...we're amongst idm friends here, you don't have to be too diplomatic with me ;) |
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saddam = oil dude thats all he may play cat and mouse game, but hes not the only one.. must be a dozen mad men with "potential destruction power"left, we wont bomb all the countries thats just insane... why america wanna burn all the world except america ??? thats the real hard question everyone should try to respond |
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You are wrong about Saddam never using WMD. As I mentioned previously, today is the 15th anniversary of him gassing 5000 of his own people in Halabja. He's also used WMD on the marsh arabs in the south. As for Bush not doing anything about Israel/Palestine I would have agreed with you before Friday, but now this roadmap for peace has been released which has the inention of solving that issue. Whether or not it will is a different matter entirely, but it seems like a perfectly logical plan. |
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lol yeah no harsh feelings... we will have this war, even if dont want to... so cry or smile my friends :( :) |
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drukqs is a masterpiece... you see, afx makes us come to a conclusion |
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I'm a bit worreid about korea and china as well...i think something big is goona happen between those two |
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:C |
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afx is the guiding light! let's lighten the conversation up for a bit and say what our favourite song is from drukqs :) |
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nacmat : its why the medias have been created for :) |
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It doesn't automatically follow that going to war with someone leads to terrorism. The US han't had a problem with Vietnamese or Korean terrorism. The UK hasn't suffered from Argentinian terrorism. Most terrorism tends to be a result of internal political conflicts, such as in Northern Ireland, Nepal or the Philippines. Cross-border terrorism seems to be a primarily muslim state phenomenon. That said, i've only thought about this for 2 minutes :P |
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... darkness is near my friend... very near... so listen to drukqs in a bunker and wait |
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Of course no hard feelings, this is a forum and we each have our own opinion, but we have to respect each other. No one knows the entire truth. Favourite song on druckqs: depends from my mood at the time. |
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ugh, god goon is awful...but 10 bucks for 4 litres...woot!! oh, and my fave drukqs track is definetly 'taking control' |
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I don't think there's anything to worry about with China. Aside from occasional sabre-rattling at Taiwan they seem to just get along with things by themselves. Something tells me short-term conflict isn't their style, that they tend to think things through decades in advance. |
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yes terrorism is everywhere humans live... we cannot destroy countries coz a portion of the population hates the usa... we cannot destroy a country for 2 towers, even 3... its nonsense and everyfucking body knows its only for oil, and worst than that, its also to posess the land. america never stopped their advance on territories |
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Methinks China isn't going to stand for the kinda firepowa Korea has under its belt, Korea = Fubar |
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sad but true. |
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