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there's so much more to that jonesy..there's about a 1000 undesireables (read brown/muslim) arrested and imprisoned without as much as their Identities being released let alone any proceeding, court hearing, charges etc..a big portion have been arrested for Immigration Violations but their Identities are not being revealed under the newly passed National Security legislation... |
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True. The US ruling class' clamber for global hegemony involves repression in its own borders and the opression of its own people, namely people of colour and muslims as you say. The US' double standards and Orwellian doublespeak would be comical if it wasn't so tragic. |
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Yes I do....so we will have to agree to disagree! |
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Camp X-ray is good enough for them! |
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Good enough for whom? Muslims, Arabs? Do you not think the violation of the UN declaration of human rights is wrong? |
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half the people who ended up in Camp XRAY's only crime was that they LOOKED like terrorists and happened to be around when the US decided randomly..okay in this sweep we are taking away the world's most dangerous and notorious men in the the existence of Marvel Universe |
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Let's not forget that we've been bombing Iraq since the Gulf War still http://www.ccmep.org/us_bombing_watch.html |
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I think you should give Saddam a copy of the same declaration! |
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Why, what specifically has Saddam done to violate the delaration? So the US is exempt? |
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Jonesy, give it a break - you are sounding like you condone Saddam Hussein and the atrocities he has done! |
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And you sound like you condone the US terrorism. Its not a case of picking Iraq over the US but picking the people of Iraq and the US over the rulers of both countries. Its all about oil. check this: http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/6_08/1.ht ml |
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I do condone what the US is doing...its 'do gooders' like yourself that are responsible for the job not being done properly in the first instance! |
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Saddam needs to be removed from power, whatever it takes! Full stop. |
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You're just winding me up dude! I'm too tired for all that. |
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I'm not winding you up at all. Not this time! |
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Yeah, you keep bleeting out that statement but you don't tell us why. You don't know EXACTLY what Saddam has done have you? Tell us. |
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haha, too much CNN? |
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He has biological weapons which pose a threat to the rest of the world, and has to be stopped. And if you cannot see that you are either blind or ignorant....I suspect the latter! |
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Actually, the head of the agency employed by the UN to inspect weapons has said that none have been found. Secondly, the US stockpiles biological weapons and have pretty much admitted that the anthrax attacks in the US were from government labs somewhere. Who be ignorant now? |
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Of course they haven't found anything......Saddam's not bloody stupid! I would also expect the US to have equal, if not better weapons and warefare than IRaq |
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There are actually more biological weapons in the US than the whole world combined and not just that as proved by one of the episodes of Mike Moores program this impossibly lethal payload is also unbelievably easy to access without any serious sercuity measures to speak off. Anyone could basically walk out with a canister with enough stuff to wipe out half the poplulation of the US. Proven fact: The Anthrax that caused such a havoc orginated in the US and was sent out by an American |
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Also a chemical engineer friend working in South America told me that he had talked to a CIA agent that had doing weapons inspections in Iraq posing as a UN official and does anyone remember why the previous spate of bombings started in Iraq which hasnt actually stopped yet. It was because Iraq accused the UN inspectors of being CIA agents and hence kicked them out of the country. So for telling the truth Iraq got several million tonnes of weaponery dropped on their heads for the next half a decade. You gotta love that logic huh.. meanwhile sanctions were placed millions of people perished and Iraq was forced to sell limited oil for food for its starving population. WHY? |
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here's an excellent resource on the situation in IRAQ..thanks to jonesy for the link :) |
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http://www.nme.com/news/102596.htm |
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Are we still ranting about this!?? |
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yes..heres's some interesting facts Dartmouth College political scientist Constantine Spiliotes said Bush clearly viewed the "war against terrorism" launched after the Sept. 11 attacks as the heart of his historical mission. Take that away and his domestic record looked thin while his future political prospects were cloudy at best. "Iraq is the next step in extending his wartime presidency. Wartime presidencies usually work well for incumbents unless the war itself turns into a disaster," he said. Domestically, there is little Bush can do to revive a faltering economic recovery or stem a fast-growing budget deficit. The financial markets have been singularly unimpressed by his efforts to preach the virtues of corporate morality. "Bush certainly benefited politically from the attacks of Sept. 11, which transformed him in the eyes of many people from the winner of a disputed election into a real national leader. He might think that managing a war is easier than managing the economy, over which he has very little control," American University historian Allan Lichtman said. Temple University government professor James Hilty put it even more bluntly: "Bush has almost no domestic legs so he has to be commander-in-chief. There's definitely a political agenda here. If the war on terrorism stops, people will wake up and see the effects of the humongous tax cut Bush engineered last year," he said. Could there also be personal motivation, whether conscious or sub-conscious, behind Bush's pursuit of Iraq? Bush's father, former President George Bush, had an opportunity to remove Saddam at the end of the Gulf War 11 years ago but chose to stop the onslaught for fear of breaking Iraq apart and destabilizing the region. Bush the son may feel he has the duty to redeem his father's honor by finishing the job. There is also the question of payback for Saddam's foiled 1993 assassination plot against his father that prompted then-President Bill Clinton to order cruise missile attacks again |
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against Baghdad. "Given what we know about Bush, I find these personal motivations plausible as a partial explanation, though I do believe he holds the office of the presidency and his presidential responsibilities in too much awe to order a war just for personal reasons," University of Texas political scientist Bruce Buchanan said. Although Bush would be risking his presidency by ordering an invasion, failing to do so is also far from risk free. He would be alienating an important part of his conservative political base. A June editorial in the Weekly Standard, an influential conservative magazine, said Bush's entire presidency would be judged on whether he got rid of Saddam. "His presidency is on the line, as is the credibility of the United States and the whole security structure - or lack thereof - of the post-9/11 world," authors William Kristol and Robert Kagan wrote. |
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they all need to sit down together and listen to windowlicker |
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or all sit down and have some HERBAL TEA (sorry just watched ALI G INDAHOUSE last night) |
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Come on. don't let us down. http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&sto ryID=1380274 |
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the story is no longer available..you know the title of the story?..I will look it up... |
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WAR (huh) What is it good for? ................ |
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Why can't anyone read the Reuters stories I post up? Its the Uk page BTW. Maybe that's the reason. |
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was it this? Baghdad Defiant As US Renews War Talk 28/08/2002 03:41 PM Reuter Renewed US talk of war to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has drawn defiance from Baghdad, and a warning from Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak that any attack could plunge the Middle East into chaos. US warplanes bombed a radar site in northern Iraq and an air defence command facility in the south, after what the US military called hostile acts against US and British jets patrolling two no-fly zones in Iraqi airspace. The allied planes struck as Arab leaders digested Monday's call from US Vice-President Dick Cheney for pre-emptive action against Iraq, saying Baghdad's weapons of mass destruction posed a mortal danger to the United States. "We could not care less about the threats that are out there. Iraq has a long history with these threats and such despotism," Iraqi Vice-President Taha Yassin Ramadan told reporters in Syria after meeting President Bashar al-Assad. ATTACK ON ALL ARAB NATIONS In Baghdad, President Saddam Hussein told Qatar's foreign minister that a US assault on Iraq would be an attack on "all the Arab nation," the official Iraqi News Agency reported. Saddam said Iraq had implemented all its obligations under UN Security Council resolutions and accused the world body of failing to reciprocate by lifting crippling sanctions imposed 12 years ago for Baghdad's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. "If there is a genuine desire to find a solution, it has to be based on international legitimacy, international law and the UN charter...and has to include implementing commitments by all parties," the Iraqi leader added. Iraq has refused to allow UN weapons inspectors into the country since a US -British bombing campaign in December 1999. US fears that Iraq is developing doomsday weapons and might turn them over to terrorists increased after the September 11th attacks on US cities, which killed around 3,000 people. ARAB DISMAY But Cheney's remarks caused fresh alarm among Wash |
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ARAB DISMAY But Cheney's remarks caused fresh alarm among Washington's Arab allies, which strongly supported the US -led coalition that drove Iraqi troops from Kuwait in the 1991 Gulf War. "Striking Iraq is something that could have repercussions and post-strike developments. We fear chaos happening in the region," Egypt's Mubarak told a group of students, adding there was "no need" to attack the sanctions-hit Arab country. Qatar's Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr al-Thani said he was visiting Baghdad to avert a "catastrophe," in clear reference to US threats to oust Saddam by force. Qatar, which hosts a big US airbase that is now being upgraded, has joined other Arab countries in opposing any US attack on Iraq. "We are of course against any military action," al-Thani told reporters. Saudi Arabia, whose domestic and foreign policies have come under sometimes hostile scrutiny in the United States since the September 11 attacks, also opposes any attack on Iraq. President Bush pledged in a meeting with the Saudi ambassador Tuesday to consult with Saudi Arabia and other countries as he approaches a decision on military action. "On the topic of Iraq, the president stressed that he has made no decisions, that he will continue to engage in consultations with Saudi Arabia and other nations about steps in the Middle East, steps in Iraq," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said after Bush held an hour-long meeting at his Texas ranch with ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan. FEELINGS RUN HIGH Anti-American feeling is high across the Arab world because of US support for Israel as it tries to crush the Palestinian uprising against Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. "(Cheney's) position can only express the depth of rancor and hatred for the Arab and Muslim nations," said Ramadan, urging Arabs to close ranks in response. "Public opinion increasingly rejects the dominance of American despotism." Ramadan was quoted by Iraq's Rafi |
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Ramadan was quoted by Iraq's Rafidain newspaper Tuesday as saying the return of U.N. weapons inspectors to Iraq - a step the UN inspection chief has said might avert war - was futile if Washington planned to attack Iraq anyway. Syria's official al-Baath newspaper accused Washington of seeking to install puppet regimes across the Middle East to serve US and Israeli interests. "All the Arabs without exception are at risk," it said in a commentary. Amid signs of strain in Washington's relations with Saudi Arabia, a longtime close ally, Bush telephoned Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah Tuesday to praise the "eternal friendship" between their two countries. The state-owned Saudi Press Agency published details of the telephone call to Prince Abdullah, the de facto Saudi ruler, in which Bush played down a recent slew of anti-Saudi comments in the United States. "Such talk does not reflect the strength and solidity of the relationship," it quoted Bush as saying. "It only reflects the opinion of the person who said it and it cannot affect the eternal friendship between the two countries." The negative comments, including one at a Pentagon briefing that the Saudis should be considered adversaries, have angered Riyadh and sparked rare calls within the world's biggest oil exporter to review relations with its main Western ally. |
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href="http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0 Try this |
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Try this href="http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0 |
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href="http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0 |
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SHIT! Sorry eveyone. I give up. |
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This is what I got out of that jonesy GUARDIAN SORRY We haven't been able to serve the page you asked for. If you typed in a URL, please make sure you have typed it correctly. In particular, make sure that the URL you typed is all in lower case. If you clicked on a link on the site, please fill in the form below and send it to us and we will fix the link |
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what's that list bit of the link? http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0 ^^^^^^this seems incomplete |
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http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffairs/story/0,11538 ,781689,00.html |
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from watmm: ">1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have? > >A: 6% > > > >2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? > >A: 50% > > > >3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves? > >A: Saudi Arabia > > > >4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves? > >A: Iraq > > > >5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year world wide? > >A: $900+ billion > > > >6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.? > >A: 50% > > > >7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the essentials >of life to everyone in the world, according the UN? > >A: 10% (that's about $40 billion, the amount of funding initially requested >to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan). > > > >8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II? > >A: 86 million > > > >9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons? > >A: Since the early 1980's. > > > >10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on their own? > >A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US government, >along with Britain and private corporations. > > > >11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare against >Iran? > >A: No > > > >12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the Kurdish town >of Halabja in 1988? > >A: 5,000 > > > >13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the time? > >A: 0 > > > >14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in Vietnam? > >A: 17 million. > > > >15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th terrorist >attack? > >A: No > > > >16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the Gulf >War? > > >A: 35,000 > > > >17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the western >forces during the Gulf War ? > >A: 0 |
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>18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by U.S. tanks >with ploughs mounted on the front? > >A: 6,000 > > >19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and Kuwait after >the Gulf War? > >A: 40 tons > > > >20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates in Iraq >between 1991 and 1994? > >A: 700% > > > >21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it had >destroyed in 1991? > >A: 80% > > > >22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for anything >other than deterrence and self defence? > >A: No > > > >23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than 10 years >ago? > >A: No > > >24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the event of >an attack on Iraq in 2002/3? > >A: 10,000 > > >25. Q: What percentage of these will be children? > >A: Over 50% > > > >26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on Iraq? > >A: 11 years > > > >27. Q: Was the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December 1998 and >September 1999? > >A: No > > > >28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between December >1998 and September 1999? > >A: 20 million > > > >29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced, imposing strict >sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports? > >A: 12 years > > > >30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989 (per 1,000 births)? > >A: 38 > > > >31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999 (per 1,000 >births)? > >A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%) > > > >32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999 as a >result of UN sanctions? > >A: 1.5 million > > > >33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to sanctions >since 1997? > >A: 750,000 > > > >34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out |
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I try to post the rest of the text but this is what I find: Invalid query2 |
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>34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq? > >A: No > > > >35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December 1998? > >A: 300 > > > >36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems? > >A: 5 > > > >37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath Party HQ? > >A: Yes > > > >38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been disarmed to a >level unprecedented in modern history." > >A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief. > > > >39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop weapons of >mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim to have discovered and >dismantled? > >A: 90% > > > >40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in? > >A: Yes > > > >41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992? > >A: Over 65 > > > >42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between 1972 >and 1990? > >A: 30+ |
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>43. Q: How much does the U.S. fund Israel a year? > >A: $5 billion > > > >44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons? > >A: 8 > > > >45. Q: How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got? > >A: 0 > > > >46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US got? > >A: over 10,000 > > > >47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons? > >A: the US > > > >48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have? > >A: Over 400 > > >49. Q: Has Israel ever allowed UN weapons inspections? > >A: No > > > >50. Q: What percentage of the Palestinian territories are controlled by >Israeli settlements? > >A: 42% > > > >51. Q: Is Israel illegally occupying Palestinian land? > >A: Yes > > > >52. Q: Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: >Iraq or the U.S.? > >A: ???? > > > >53. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about >things that matter"? > >A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr |
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http://www.firethistime.org/index.htm for those of you that havent seen it yet i know some folks say 'dont listen to everything pilger has to say' but i still think this is a valuable read. |
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