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Who's getting it? Even though the initial wave of games doesn't have anything I'm superexcited for, I'll be at Walmart at 7AM tomorrow morning to ensure I get one. I've already bought Call of Duty 2 and Perfect Dark Zero, and I'm thinking about getting Condemned, I'll rent it first though. The games I'm really looking forward to aren't dropping until early 2006... Oblivion and Alan Wake. Anybody planning on getting onto Xbox Live to play Perfect Dark? Considering I had billions of hours of insane fun with the original, and considering I'm a pessimist, I think PDZ is going to let me down and can't possibly measure up to the N64 version. I'm really looking forward to the backwards compatibility... dunno if it's going to help framerates but the old XBox games should look great bumped up to 720p/1080i resolution. Big improvement to Halo 2. |
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im gonna hold out and get the ps3 |
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im not gonna buy any of em well maybe a normal xbox if the price drops low |
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I am actually gonna wait awhile on this one also. Although late on the bus here, I just recently got on xbox live and I am having fun with Halo2 and Star Wars Battlefront 2. I will definately end up getting the 360, but I will be waiting till the new year. Hey phecks, do you know if the 360'ers and the regular xbox users will be able to play Halo2 online together? Just curious as to if they are going to be compatible for online play. =) |
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I think there was a guy on IGN that got his 360 early and was playing Halo 2 as usual, with the plebians. So it's backwards compatible and all that jazz. |
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i actually have xbox but i'm not sure i will buy xbox360 i'm mature now....i think i'm just gonna buy a psp next year it's awesome...and it will go far |
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right on...well if you ever wanna play some Halo2 online...lemme know Ill add ya to my list:) |
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i feel bad for sony and the ps3 :( "each wafer run through the fab costs $9-10K, and IBM gets about 65 good chips per wafer." This would put each raw Cell on sale at a price tag of almost $150 give or take a bit. Toss in $25-30 for the packaging, and you are at a non-trivial number for a console. Assuming $175 for a 'solder to the board' working Cell, and you are at about half the cost of the console with just the CPU. Add in the GPU, RAM and a HD, and you are in loss-leader territory. Hopefully yields will go up before the PS3 launches, there are about 200 good sites on the wafer, 2 per 'square', so there is room for IBM to knock $100 or so off the cost. Either way, it looks like IBM and Sony have a long uphill climb for the next console. µ |
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I didn't have Xbox Live on my Xbox1 but I'll be buying the premium 360 package so I'll get a year of Gold live... plus Xbox Live Basic is free now anyway. I don't have an account yet but I'll get one soon. Elusive- half of that was Greek to me. I could be wrong, but Sony's hardware always puts them in a big hole to start with, they're gonna lose tons of money on the PS3 itself. But hopefully not TOO much. The games are the key, anyway, that's gonna make or break them, not the hardware. |
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The PS3 despite starting later than Xbox should fare pretty well. I dont follow the scene that close but i know a good deal about it and am excited about the possibilities. Xbox is throwing a kidney punch by releasing Halo 3 at the exact same time as the ps3 launch. I would love to play a new tiger woods on the Xbox 360 or Ps3. We've turned it into a nice drinking game. Really competitive over here. Luckily my brother renewed his game informer. I can learn more about these both as time approaches and have something to read on the can! Bonus! |
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is that true...Halo3 is coming out that soon? or are you thinking of the re-releases of Halo2? |
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I'm gonna buy The Nintendo Revolution and maybe in future a Ps3. |
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Halo 3 is set to launch on the PS3 launch date. Which is fall 2006 from what i have heard |
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The Revolution will be crushed by its flawed controller design. |
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Uhm.. why? I personally find it revolutionary , it just won't be a normal controller like all. |
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"Elusive- half of that was Greek to me. I could be wrong, but Sony's hardware always puts them in a big hole to start with, they're gonna lose tons of money on the PS3 itself. But hopefully not TOO much. The games are the key, anyway, that's gonna make or break them, not the hardware. " i dont play consoles, so im not taking sides (sony vs ms) but here goes: the problem with sony is the following: 1 new hardware architecture (cell processor) 1st of it's kind to be used heavily in production thus, all of the developers have to learn an ENTIRE (and i mean ENTIRE!) new architecture to code for. -development funds, education for devs, etc goes way up -since no one has really 'coded' for the cell, the learning curve is way up there. but this is why the 1st gen games will be ok, and the 2nd gen games will most likely be awesome (once the devs get to hang of the new code and become more efficient at it and discover what they can do) all this takes time (and wicked amounts of dev dollars). -the average dollar figure for the dev of a ps3 game i think is around 20million usd right now. that's way up there from the others now the thing is, microsoft took the other approach and stuck with what has worked, the x86 instruction set. long story short, it's easy to code for and devs dont have to "re-learn" anything (besides the fact that now they're working with multiple cpus and doing a lot more parellel tasking etc) ... for the most part it won't be too different. also, this will make the games easier to be ported to and from the pc and whatnot. sony has an expensive little baby on it's hands, and it's quite a gamble. luckily ibm is behind them they already cut out the gateway feature of their ps3 (home-router) and with the above quote on how expensive (at current fab yields) the cell cores are costing ... wow, not to mention i think the blu-ray dvd drives are costing the m $150 ALONE dont quote me but im 99% sure that's what it is. yes, just the drive |
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yes, just the drive alone will cost sony $150 (per unit)...yikes! now of course they are positioning this box to be what, a 7yr+ lifetime or whatever? that should hopefully bring enough game revenues in to re-coop some of those losses. i dunno, it's just insane $400 is going to get you a supercomputer here ... my how times have changed. on the other hand we could go into cell discussion about why it is a badass technology but i think that's outside the scope here. it is going to be an interesting few years that is a fact. im not much of a console guy so i dont allow myself to get all worked up in the marketing of the lot, but it's fun to watch. im glad im not a dev working for either of these companies right now; stressful times i can only imagine |
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also about ms, i think the timing is pretty well done. they are totally beating sony to the market, and will sell a lot im sure. it's just funny because now ms is going to see just how many loyal fans are out there (by the number of people who dont buy a 360 and who hold out for a ps3) mmmmm brand loyalty delicious, innit it? |
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lol theres no fucking competition, ps3 will pwn xbox, theres a huge amount of good games and a loyal following not to mention a perfect history to secure it, xbox has fuckall going for it. |
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lol, kaen blind little man blind blind blind |
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spoken like a true fanboy, |
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I think the controller is the best thing they could have done! No HD and poor third party support is what's going to hurt, but I think people are going to be interested in the controller and I think it has potential. But Nintendo is still going to be third place, a more distant third place than ever. They're going to be a niche thing and they know it. The peculiar controller is going to be help them. And it's definitely going to be an interesting gen. Lots of risky business moves and big leaps of faith. In the end I think Sony is going to win because of superior exclusives like GTA and Metal Gear. I'm definitely a Sony whore, but I spend thousands on EVERY platform anyway. Nintendo makes the biggest profit, though... talk about their poor sales and their sagging support, but they bring home the dough while Sony likes to burn cash like Elusive is pointing out. Also good points about the game development... the software tools are improving but to make a game that actually utilizes all this power, it's wicked expensive, tons of labor. Eventually, although I don't think it'll happen this gen, only the big companies are going to afford to actually tap all that. Actually this is what Nintendo is counting on... the Revolution will be underpowered and inexpensive and they want the smaller development houses to flock to them and be ''innovative'', quote unquote, instead of appeasing the graphics whores. That's getting more and more costly. |
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Microsoft are going to pull closer to Sony, they've got good timing and they've got a pretty impressive list of exclusives for it. And they're taking less risks. M$ is the real deal. |
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ive never owned a ps in my life. u dont have to be fan of sony to see that xbox doesnt have a leg to stand on, the ps3 will beat it in every department. xbox are relying on halo, its one and only half-decent game. |
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technically they are screwed on a basic level. Ports. You cant port a complex game that uses a number of buttons on that controller. Its a gimmick that that dumbass drumset thing for gamecube. Controllers are the most important thing aside from the games themselves and there is a ton of negitve rep following this design around |
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Yeah it's going to be one hell of a rollercoaster ride. Ophecks, you're spot on. Nintendo does have that niche that really works for them, much like apple. They aren't there "whoring" themselves out to the world like sony/ms, and keep a little bit of respect for themselves :) Not to mention, they still make games that are fun to play and most of all: simple. Which is something they've always bet on. Games these days are getting so f'ing complex you can't just "sit down and play a game" anymore. Not for the most part at least. It's good to see a company (read: founding commpany) sticking to their roots and not going all sideways on the market. Cheers, |
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I think I read an interview with John Carmack somewhere, in which he stated that the power of PS3 is only on paper and that there is no efficient way to use the 9 cores. Something like that. He could have been given a decent lump of cash from MS for that interview. |
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Apparently you'll be able to play NES games, SNES games, N64 games and Gamecube games comfortably. How that's possible remains to be seen. It only makes sense, since all of these platforms are going to be represented on the Revolution in the form of downloadable content. If you can play GC or N64 games on the Rev, it shouldn't be impossible to play ports of Xbox or PS3 games. And besides, I don't think ports are going to matter much to them. Again, it's all about the niche. More than ever, the Rev is going to be about a small but passionate audience, with a smaller selection of mostly exlusive games carrying the load. Millions of people are going to buy the Rev just because it'll be the only place to get the new Mario, Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, etc. I think it's going to be successful. They have their loyal following and they're not breaking the bank like Microsoft and Sony are. Sales are going to be lower than ever for them but the profits will still be there. Nintendo makes more money in this business than Sony and Microsoft do, they're a major player even in third place. I doubted them for a long time but I see what they're doing now and I think they're making the right moves. |
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*though |
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Perhaps i have yet to see the light regarding this issue. In my personal opinion they are dropping the ball a bit on the issue and are going to miss on great games that wont be able to be ported over thus alienating their fans. |
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I'm holding out on getting one for a bit. Probably won't get a PS3 on principle of the DRM shit that Sony pulled. If they'll do that with a CD then who knows what the fuck they'll try and pull with a piece of hardware now. Fuck that. |
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Strange, from Reggie's recent interview, I thougt Nintendo was all about expanding the market to casual and non-gamers. Time will tell. Oh, and expect PS3 to cost at least $500. It aint gonna be cheap. |
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Yeah I think he's full of shit though. He's a spin doctor, guys like him and J. Allard like to talk big but I take everything they say with a grain of salt, or I just flat out disregard it. I can't fathom Nintendo doing anything to expand the market this gen, but I'll wait and see what happens. I think things are not going to happen as Reggie says they are. In Reggie's defense, he's very groovy. Oh, and expect PS3 to cost at least $500 I'll pay anything. Tomorrow I'm dropping 575 dollars for the premium Xbox 360 with NO games. Granted, I'm Canadian. It hurts. If I have to pay 700 for the PS3, so be it. |
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You're not too far from the border are ya? Buying it here isn't an option? |
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MERTENS!!!! |
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Yes, it is I. |
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where you been |
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The big problem I have with buying a 360 is the xbox live subscription. If Revolution doesn't have a subscription it may be a game winner. The remote controll style controller puts me off a little though. |
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but you haven't even used it yet! |
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sadly the gaming public is much like the moviegoing public - don't do anything too weird, keep the games within genre, fuck story we want EXPLOSIONS and BLOOD, don't change anything too much.. (which in the case of gamesystems isn't that weird, because it does cost a lot of money. but that doesn't mean you can try a system beforehand.) |
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When I saw the Revolution Controller I was a bit taken aback. It looked clunky and uncomfortable. I've read more about it though and the word is that it's actually exceptionally great in the hand, you almost forget that it's there it's that nice. That is the mark of good design. You forget you're using a "tool" and just use it intuitively. Can't wait to get my hands on a Nintendo Revolution. |
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im going to buy the one that will be chipped the quickest and has the most fake games available for it. |
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"At one Best Buy in suburban Seattle, Microsoft Chairman and Chief Software Architect Bill Gates showed up to help hand out 360s and engage in several not-so-impromptu Project Gotham Racing 3 sessions. "In the living room itself, Xbox 360 is our centerpiece and a product that redefines what goes on there," Gates told the Associated Press." pfff. |
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i want an xbox classic to turn into a media center. lol. |
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oh wow this story is super too.. good ol' Fiddy Cent has his own M-rated game coming out, "The game that they will be playing sees 50 taking on underground crime syndicates in New York City with a boatload of guns, capping would-be foes in the dome, and looting their corpses for cash." and now 50 C. has come out and said that.. "Just because it is rated Mature doesn't mean you shouldn't buy it for your kids. Play the game and explain to them what they are playing." |
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Ophecks and friends....... |
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I motherfucking failed. Apparently the entirety of Canada only got like 20,000 units. I bought a few games and I can't even play them and I'm so depressed. |
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Was there queuing involved? :( |
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Oh God yeah. I never had a chance. I seriously underestimated the resolve and astuteness of the other nerds in my city. I got there like two minutes after the place opened and that was about 8 hours too late. |
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