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the other day i read an article on the bbc news page detailing the uk government's action to illegalize fresh psilocybe mushrooms. after reading the article, i was was struck by the realization that there was no commentary or information in the article whatsoever (aside from a vague suggestion that psychedelic mushrooms might not be a good idea for those with a predispostion to mental illness) that might provide a rationale for the ban. there was no account of hospitalizations, illness, injury, or any harm of any kind. and yet, without apparent question, mushrooms that have been growing for thousands of years are declared the equivalent of heroin, and distribution of mushrooms could bring life in prison. as for my own position, i believe there is insufficient evidence that mushrooms are harmful, but am not in favor of treating them as party drugs. i think people should be able to choose for themselves. any thoughts on the ban, or the rationale for banning psilocybe mushrooms? |
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ban plaidzebra as well |
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Because they're fun. |
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i am against the legalization of drugs. |
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strike that; reverse it. |
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stay in america then. |
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come to europe then. |
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always so quick with the 'merica h8 |
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first you'll have to work your way up from serf. |
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so you're saying that soon sex will be banned as well? and harry potter books? and oversized novelty bicycles? |
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you're right, the public can't be trusted with coffee. only those within my inner sanctum may partake of the mystical bean. espresso, anyone? |
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i think people should be able to choose for themselves too but have to be warned about the side effects..like being closed up in a mental institution for life or something |
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fortunately you're not at a higher risk of mental illness from taking mushrooms (or lsd for that matter). your risk of developing a mental illness is pretty much the same whether or not you took mushrooms. an exception is a syndrome associated with longterm abuse of lsd, a different story... |
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i'm off to my deep freezer to freeze some blood. please continue to spill your guts about this and that. |
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yeah yeah..bla..i work in a mental institution and there are a lot off people who come in here after a good old trip ;) |
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I think the government should try mushrooms then decide. |
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i believe there is insufficient evidence that mushrooms are harmful i don't think that should matter anyhow. i should be allowed to harm myself as long as i don't harm others... and, since there are already laws on the books to punish me for harming others, i don't see the problem. |
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people are so stupid that they can harm themselves they have to protected for doing that. |
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well, obviously it ain't workin if they're still making it to your workplace in straight jackets. |
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only now, not only are they damaged mentally, but they are criminals to boot ! |
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have you ever tried to hurt youyrself in a straight jacket? |
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no, but one time i popped my shoulder out of joint and escaped from a straight jacket to show a bunch of smart-aleck cops who was the man. |
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I honestly wouldn't be too surprised. |
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you tha man! ;) |
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oh, god fucking damn! when will people realise that they DON'T just harm themselves?! whiny fucking smokers and drug-addicts who go "I WANNA CHOOSE FOR MYSELF ALBALDJGØKASDASKAWKEH I AINT HURTING NOBODY" don't fucking think about how a welfare state works (I don't know how america works, so shope may or may not be in the green, but as far as I know, for instance, the UK has a great health-care system). when someone gets sick, the state takes care of them. this drains money from the state. less sickness = more money for more important things (those fucking politicians could learn a thing or two about what things are important, but that's not the issue here). I can't remember the numbers, but people damaged by smoking are costing (at least norway) a great deal of money which could be put to better use. |
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actually, that was mel gibson. i lied to be cool. :D |
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The UK health care system USED to be great. |
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Mushroom are illegal because 1.You can't tax it. Theres no way for the govt to make money off it. There IS plently of money to make off keeping it illegal. It keeps the jails and courthouses full and any confiscated drug money goes right to the officials budget. If people took mushrooms they would realize that things like "government", "economy" and "40hr week jobs" are fucking stupid and pointless. Mushrooms open up your perception to the world around you and make you question things which are manmade and inherently false (most of the time). Like Bill Hicks (the comedian) once said: "How are we gonna keep building nuclear weapons? What's gonna happen to the arms industry once we realize we are all One. Its gonna fuck up the economy, the economy thats FAKE anyways... So you can see why the government is cracking down on the idea of experiencing unconditional love." Its the same reason weed is illegal too. Theres no rational or logic behind it (other than making money off other peoples suffering). They both grow naturally upon the planet, YET ciggarettes and alcahol are both entirely legal. |
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don't you think there's a fair amount of money spent on investigating, capturing, prosecuting, and incarcerating drug related criminals? i think that if some of that money was re-allocated to worthwhile research and education it would probably be more effective at reducing the negative impacts that drug use causes. |
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ah, they changed it? well, it's still a welfare-state, though, isn't it? |
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true, but for that money to be relocated, the criminals would have to stop being criminal. that could either happen through legalization (which would lead back to the welfare-state problem) or by apprehending all criminals (which is what they're currently trying to do). if they just left the criminals, that would produce the same effect as legalizing it. that reply is also depending on what research you are talking about... general research is good, but if you just mean "checking if mushrooms actually do damage," that probably doesn't take much research. |
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our goverment is making a lot of money from legal coffeeshops who sell "illegaly" grown green Epohs; HAHA! you're still tha man! |
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ummm im still not seeing how smoking weed/tripping mushrooms harms any body at all. really. what about it makes you sick? weed could keep you having a cold for a week longer, MAYBE; mushrooms can make you puke, but nothing that can actually lead to you needing to go to the hospital [unless of course you OD, which cant be done on either mushrooms or weed - well, maybe mushrooms, but ive seen people take up to and over a quarter ounce (dried) and been fine] |
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see, i don't think the number of people having adverse reactions to drugs would increase significantly if they were legalized... if anything, it may go down since the quality of the drugs they use could be regulated. thus, the money spent on rehabilitation wouldn't increase, and the money spent on prosecution could be reallocated to other more productive areas. |
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i mean, how many people are killed yearly in the tobacco black market? none or next to none i would imagine. there's no tobacco black market because it is legal and regulated (tobacco regulation is a seperate debate). nobody is murdered over a pack of cigs... but, i guarantee if tobacco were made illegal there'd be hella black market and all kinds of related crime would pop up. people will smoke, and people will do drugs. make it a crime to smoke, hell make it punishable by death if you want, it still won't stop it. all it will do is create criminals. people who are willing to rob and kill to get money to buy cigarettes. create programs that teach kids that one snort of cocaine will cause your heart to explode, or you'll instantly become a scumbag who punches old ladies... then when those kids grow up and see their best friend do coke at a party and he doesn't die or go crazy he just has fun, and you've created a kid who will discard everything you told him about drugs. that's the problem with d.a.r.e. and shit like that. it's not honest, and it doesn't match the reality of the situation. it's counter productive. if they really wanted to help they would quit unrealistically demonizing drugs, and provide truthfull education so that people are ready to deal with the shit that they will encounter. |
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Well the American govt is too stubborn to admit they've been wrong for the past 70 years. On top of that our politicians (most of them) feel they have this holier-than-thou power to upload 'morality' in this country, which means using "family + children" as excuses to ban whatever they want, even if it doesn't make sense logically. Even if they did legalize weed and tax coffee shops they would still never make the same amount of profit as they currently do from alchahol and tobacco. Not to mention all the kickbacks that politicians get from these mega corporations. Plus thats just weed, how do you tax mushrooms? Mushroom coffeeshops? I dont see that becomming very popular. |
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Legal weed = new product on the market New product that competes against Tobacco and Alchahol = BAAAD. Especially when you see that the new product is 1000x better than existing products. (not to mention how easy it is to grow and make yourself) |
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i would LOVE to run a mushroom coffee shop :D since i cant trip mushrooms anymore [too many bad trips :_( ] i love trip sitting people, and itd be great to just run this shop and play lots of boc and flaming lips. and if there was someone who had a bad trip i could just coddle them and feed em milk and cookies and tell em itd all be ok. aaaah thatd be cool. [god im such a fucking geek] |
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shrooms would be sold in shops if they were legal. they're sold fresh here. deadly buzz. :s |
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I don't know much about that, but it's probably at least as dangerous or more so than alcohol and tobacco (which we for some reason can't seem to give up). |
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I was making a statement about people "only hurting themselves," not the mushrooms, btw. |
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Thats fine with close friends and all, but I wouldn't want to hang around strangers who were tripping. Could you even imagine if all your customers spent 7 hours in your shop screaming, wandering around, hallucinating, peeing in the corner of the room, etc...? I can totally see coffee shops selling mushrooms on the side, but to have an exclusive mushroom cafe? Good luck. |
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well im imagining something where there tend to be regulars who all come in and everybody knows eachother and shit. obviously, if a stranger came in id help em out but also warn em that theyre tripping in an unfamiliar place and it could turn bad. and if they got really out of hand i could just be a douche and throw em out on the street and leave em to wander :P |
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hmm.. well, the thing is that with legalization comes easier access and with easier access come.. let's call them the bums. bums drink alcohol for a cheaper high. bums don't help anything one way or the other.. with cheaper and better "escapes from reality," bumming would also be more "attractive" and easy. |
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and of course this is all fantasy, im not really expecting any of this to happen. but thats a given i guess. |
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are you saying bums dont smoke weed and do other drugs because its too expensive?? HA!!! where do you think all the broke ass heroin addicts go? |
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What do you have against bums? I just think everyone is jealous of them because they dont have to work and they get high all day. Ahhh the life of a bum. |
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no, I'm saying there'd be more of them if it was legal and cheaper. |
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If you could wander around a forest all day with no job or worries and do drugs, wouldn't you do that? I know I would, but I love my technology too much to leave it. So i'm basically trapped working for the system. |
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second! i know a few people who are/have been bumblies in the past, and ive had countless great conversations with others whom i dont know. i even plan on doing it myself some day, but only in cali. [*sniff* i miss cali/home] |
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