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I wouldn't live long if I did that all the time, would I? berries, yay! so no, I wouldn't. |
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shame... used to enjoy them at rephlex gigs when I was in london |
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Well that didn't make any sense whatsoever. |
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glad to see the spore has sprouted. i think it's blasphemous to call mushrooms drugs, no matter how they're abused and debased by people; it's like calling a puppy a shit machine; a fragment of truth, but totally missing the point. most importantly, people have to learn some things for themselves. using the law to straighjacket people's choices (to make illegal the "bad" choices) is a path to a slave state. or something equally inflammatory... |
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slave by choice? at least you admit it, i suppose... |
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most importantly, people have to learn some things for themselves. using the law to straighjacket people's choices (to make illegal the "bad" choices) is a path to a slave state. or something equally inflammatory... doing the opposite is a path to anarchy and chaos. |
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my grammer isn't the greatest, is isn't that hard to get the idea. |
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So you think drugs should stay illegal? Do you have an idea for a middle ground? |
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as long as people learn it is in no way anarchy or chaos, not that those would necesserily be a truly bad thing. maybe inconvenient for a few people, but on the whole of the planet earth it'd probably have been alot better. |
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we have smartshops who sell mushrooms legaly |
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we are in the middle-ground.. alcohol and tobacco. |
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nobody suggested we should dispense with the law entirely. but where are your personal limits? how many choices are you willing to let your government make for you? |
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there'd be more and smaller "wars." Local ones. that != good. |
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alcohol causes far more social problems than cannabis. we don't have a middle ground at all, we have a vastly inconsistent and irrational situation. |
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I won't know until they cross my line, but there's lots more room before they do. |
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Ugh. I like you Mastah, but that post made me want to die... painfully and slowly. |
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I actually, I don't mind that mushrooms are banned because drugs are bad for you, and satan will take your soul if you use them. |
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can't be compared, as they are not equally spread. alcohol, which is legal, is consumed by a MUCH larger percentage of the population than weed. who knows if weed wouldn't cause as much or more trouble? |
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lastly, where is the justification for illegalizing mushrooms? what are people being protected from? where is the harm on society inflicted? how long before someone argues that a given book is a threat to the social fabric and must be banned? bear in mind, we're talking about mushrooms, not crystal meth or crack or heroin. |
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let's make sure you're not our canary in the coalmine, then... |
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oh, dear.. sorry about that. here's a pic to make it better! |
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Holy cow thats a nice wonderbra shes wearing :) Back to the subject: A LOT of people smoke weed. Not as many weed users as alcahol users, but if I had to take a shot in the dark, I'd say that 33% of Americans are regular weed smokers. There is more harm in cigs and alcahol and science proves this. How can you possibly say that weed and mushrooms will send us into total chaos? I cant see the logic here. Help me out. |
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i disagree. i don't think there's any sort of dificulty at all finding access to drugs that are currently illegal. it may be even easier, i mean, the guy selling you pot or coke isn't going to check your id to make sure you are of age. the only thing is that getting them now makes you by definition a "criminal". |
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still not comparable.. this is also because of the circumstances around each thing. I'm not saying alcohol and cigarettes are better (in fact, I hate cigarettes), btw... |
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alcohol leads to cirrhosis, cancer, wernicke's syndrome, karsakoff's syndrome... there isn't even compelling evidence that smoking cannabis increases your risk of lung cancer (the most likely risk to health). i think you certainly can compare them even if one is not as widely used. granted, an impediment to legalization is the lack of technology to measure legal impairment in drivers (as in measuring blood alcohol levels). |
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I would say that alcohol probably does lead to more violent tendancies that marijuana, but I still don't think it should be illegal. Why, cause not everyone who drinks beats their wives or kids, etc... Drive drunk? there are already justifiable laws against that. Beat your wife? there are already justifiable laws against that. Neglect your children? covered. And on and on. Those laws are just because they protect people from the destrucive acts of others. But, I shouldn't be kept from having a beer because some dipshit hits his wife when he drinks. The laws aren't effective to stop what they're claiming to want to stop, they're redundant, and they create significant problems of their own. |
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I wouldn't even know where to start if I was going to buy drugs... also there's the "dealing with criminals" part of it which often scares people from it. and I can imagine prices would be high... |
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Its cheaper for me to get high on weed than to get drunk off alcahol. Finding drugs isn't hard. Goto a concert and just ask around for some bud or shrooms. Shit if you came out here where I live, I could get you drugs. So there ya go, you know where to get drugs and you now know that it isn't expensive. |
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but, you probably also don't care to do "drugs", right? if you were interested, i'd bet you wouldn't have much trouble finding them. |
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WTF? dealing with criminals? usually people who sell marijuana are just simple young people who enjoy it. At least in our town. The criminals come in when you are talking about cocain or heroine. |
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why ban mushrooms? why not! And don't get me wrong, I am against the ban of mush to the point where I become angry just thinking about it. It's grotesque that the government can do so F'ing many things wrong, cut down rainforests, destroy o-zone, brainwash, desensitize, ban natural herbal plants and fungus (I won't even call weed or mush a drug, a drug is something bad, these clearly aren't.) but.. Since the government must maintain control, when you think about it, the average joe does shrooms, has strong realizations and the time of his life, he starts seeing things that are actually underlying his reality which he thought was secure, just as weatheredstoner put it If people took mushrooms they would realize that things like "government", "economy" and "40hr week jobs" are fucking stupid and pointless. In the best interests of a corrupt government, banning shrooms, weed, ibogaine, etc is totally the right thing to do. I'm gonna go to a happier thread now.. |
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I don't think alcohol leads to more violent tendencies.. the people i see fighting when drunk are the kind of people who would fight no matter which drug they were on or even sober. it's not alcohol that makes people violent. I've been drunk a lot and I've never fought. I've even passively taken a beating (from a chick with a huge-ass keychain) just to avoid fighting... |
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if cocaine and heroine was made legal there wouldn't be much criminals left...please legalize everything |
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you may be right, but the problem is that selling weed does make you a "criminal". |
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oops, didnt do that italic thing right, I'll get used to it soon enough hehe |
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Okay, so it depends on the personality of the individual. So then, whats wrong with legalizing pot and shrooms? |
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I'm going to go get the exquisite corpse finished and talk to my brother who's just arrived now, but I'll leave my final words: I'm not glorifying anything. weed, alcohol, tobacco, blablabla.. they're all equally bad to me.. I'll get back to what I was originally saying: you're NOT only hurting yourself when hurting yourself (if you're living in a welfare-ish state). |
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not in our country..being a criminal is cultural definite |
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nothing..its only good |
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I've been drunk a large amount of time's. And I've never been agressive either. But haven't you been to a club, seen some shallow looking you men maybe with a few girls. If someone even pushes them a little they have their fist up in the air. They're just crazy, so Alcohol does have those kinda effects on A LOT of people. as for these "natural" drugs, they give you a different experience from what I've heard. A little deeper, that might get you thinking about life, as Alcohol usually makes most people think of sex. |
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We get welfare here in America. I work and pay my taxes and smoke 'drugs'. So whos getting hurt? No one in my case, and in the case of many others just like me. So why should we be put in jail? Answer: we shouldn't. |
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and as for these people who use weed or shrooms, they dont all turn out to be crackheads or get isolate from the society, many people can handle it, and not fuck up they're normal life's. |
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to complement that - there has been a lot of reseach lately that shows a direct connection between smoking canabis and having greatly hightened chances of developing schizophrenia - going as far that using it once will already highten those chances. I can't give any links, so you'll just have to believe me. :P anyways - I think the argument that it's the best thing to ban a drug like mushrooms because it costs society as a whole too much money is not very convincing. as has been said, why not completely ban the smoking of tobacco and the drinking of alcohol first? there a LOT more users of these drugs so surely we need to put a stop to this first. but this won't happen because these drugs have been allowed to become completely ingrained in our culture, they've become a part of a large range of rituals. and the fact of the matter is - people like to use drugs, they enjoy it. |
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Yeah, I'm not glorifing drugs either. I think the potential for abuse is certainly there, and if abused they can be very bad. Certainly things like alcohol and cigarettes can cause health problems, and I'd imagine other drugs can as well. All that I'm saying is that I don't think being bad for you is a good enough reason to make something illegal. I don't think it's any business of the government to protect me from myself, and protecting other people from me can and is accomplished by laws that already exist. |
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i'm glad for the many thoughtful responses, even when there is disagreement. cheers everyone! |
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I'll pop in with another general comment: I guess use = good, abuse = bad with all substances (of course, with some substances, use is abuse, but we're not talking about those substances in here). qrter: alcohol and cigarettes should be banned too, yes, but as you say: it won't happen, sadly... so I'll keep getting drunk.. I wonder why? |
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maybe people shouldn't drink, or smoke, or do drugs, or watch too much tv, or eat fast food, or whatever... i dunno... it all depends on how you define "bad for you", and who's making the rules. But, the fact is that it's simply not practical. Its not effective. And, it causes all sorts of fucked up problems of its own. The benefit that society gains from the illegalization of certain drugs isn't worth the cost, in my opinion of course. |
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because you want to get drunk, because you like it - that's my point. outlawing the alcohol won't help you there. you don't really think that people would stop drinking if you'd outlaw it? *coughprohibitioncough* |
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exactly, prohibition pretty much gave rise to the mafia... and, while that definately produced some great fucking movies, it almost certainly wasn't worth the cost. also (to almost certainly derail the thread hoplessly), it could be argued that the global heroin market played a significant role in the ability of the Taliban to fund and support itself. and that whole thing turned out pretty sweet. |
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It's a bad joke, really. Alcohol abuse causes (well, i say causes, that's probably not the right word) thousands of deaths per year, thousands of pissed-up fights, etcetera and shit. Have you ever heard of anyone begging or stealing to feed a mushroom "habit"? Ever heard of anyone becoming violent on shrooms? It's not a societal problem, the legal loophole didn't result in a mass mushroom binge. I'm in shope's corner here i think, as long as you're causing no harm to anyone else then why should anyone have the power to tell you what you can put into your body? Not to say that mushrooms are harmless though, i've seen many a fellow fuck up on hallucinogens, especially unprepared. Anything can be abused. But to have alcohol as a legal drug when it causes far more societal harm, far more weight on the NHS? Oh, it's socially acceptable, and nicely taxable. Fuck right off, please. The law is an ass. (not to say i don't like a drink n'shit, mmm) I think this has been said a great deal more concisely, but it actually does make me quite angry, so vent vent vent etc. |
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