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nacmat
on 2005-04-29 06:05 [#01579896]
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if anybody knows... which was the first art to be developed by humans?
music? painting? ...
what do you think?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-29 06:05 [#01579897]
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cave paintings i suppose.
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Opto
on 2005-04-29 06:06 [#01579898]
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sound.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-04-29 06:07 [#01579899]
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i think body art was the first form of art.
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 06:35 [#01579919]
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drawings in the sand?
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-04-29 06:41 [#01579928]
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writing your name in the snow?
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 06:42 [#01579931]
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snowangels, aw
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chambre noire
from Iceland on 2005-04-29 06:44 [#01579935]
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what is art
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-04-29 07:12 [#01579986]
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excatly.
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 07:16 [#01579995]
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whatever, what is everything, plato, bullshit, no more messages
exactly
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-04-29 07:18 [#01580000]
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i think a better question would be.. when have humans started expressing themselves in ways other than the primal needs such as hunger, reproduction and surviving.
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 07:38 [#01580025]
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i read newman's ('who's afraid of red yellow and blue') essay ' the first man was an artist' "crying out 'why am i here'" his first concern would be making art about it
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2005-04-29 07:45 [#01580047]
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omg, so deep. so. deep.
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 07:47 [#01580051]
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didnt think of that one yet, eh artboi?
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2005-04-29 07:52 [#01580062]
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hahaha
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 07:55 [#01580073]
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a turd
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nacmat
on 2005-04-29 07:56 [#01580076]
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well, indeed thats a better way of asking.... now fit that in a thread title.
but, yes you got the point
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-04-29 07:58 [#01580084]
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it's such a vague concept that it's almost meaningless though..
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nacmat
on 2005-04-29 08:00 [#01580096]
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are you all feeling sartre-ish today?
answer!
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-04-29 08:06 [#01580114]
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haha!
...well, i think there were probably animals expressing themselves in a way that they found aesthetically pleasing before there were humans.
but, i've never really read anything about that that i remember, so i have no way to back up my claims.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2005-04-29 08:14 [#01580138]
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when the first primitive man sketched a cock and perhaps some tits in the sand and showed it to his fellow tribemembers
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big
from lsg on 2005-04-29 08:16 [#01580142]
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looking down men thought: hey, intersting shape
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-04-29 08:18 [#01580146]
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Life and everything related is art. Infact exsistance is art.
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godataloss
from Cleveland (United States) on 2005-04-29 08:21 [#01580151]
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birds dance to get laid- same reason man creates art.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-04-29 08:24 [#01580153]
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dance is not art!
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-04-29 09:50 [#01580286]
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The first evedence of art is when men started to decorate their tools as a sign of ownership.
Music is more dificult to track down but the consensus amoung academics was that singing and rythmic group shouting/chanting, was more than likley the first music as it appears in every culture and that it does not require any instrementation.
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CS2x
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-29 09:53 [#01580291]
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I reckon the first art was poo-poo. When i do a poo poo I look at it and go, "wow, what a nice shape I have created".
I'm sure cave men did the same.
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-04-29 09:58 [#01580294]
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sorry nacmat but this is a terrible idea for a thread.
it leads to awful questions as 'what is art'
when did craftmanship become art? when people found man to be important.
the first paintings weren't works of art, they were assignments. later they became art.
it's impossible to say 'that day in history is when art began'
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nacmat
on 2005-04-29 10:31 [#01580321]
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no, its a good idea for a thread.
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J198
from Maastricht (Netherlands, The) on 2005-04-29 11:08 [#01580355]
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no it's not. nobody has an answer. nobody will ever have one. it's pointless.
a good idea for a thread is: the last art to appear?
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2005-04-29 11:34 [#01580374]
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i think its a great thread to start with. For me i think the answer to nacmat's question "which was the first art to be developed by humans" is: sex.
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ymenard
on 2005-04-29 19:12 [#01580804]
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The first art to appear, was architecture. Before men thought about other forms, they had to 1) find food and 2) find a shelter. Since finding food ain't much of an art, finding a shelter means to create/model/change objects found on our planet earth to suit their needs. Volume, composition, textures, etc..
Therefore, the art of architecture was created first.
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nacmat
on 2005-04-30 03:30 [#01581008]
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aha!
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nacmat
on 2005-04-30 03:33 [#01581009]
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it was not intended to be a great thread... I was just talking about that with my girlfriend the other day, so I htought I would talk about it here, as it lead us to good discussion (me and her)... and to be honest I think some interesting things were said here too
but maybe its pointless as you say... well, no big deal
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stilaktive
from a place on 2005-04-30 03:48 [#01581013]
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MSpaint
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hanal
from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2005-04-30 04:06 [#01581016]
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hello nacmat,yes its a good topic,for me i think any kind of cave paintings are the original arts-plus rob and sean didnt invent music till the 1980s
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nacmat
on 2005-04-30 04:53 [#01581027]
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LOL
nice to see you
I would have loved to see oyur paintings in cave!!
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corrupted-girl
on 2005-04-30 20:10 [#01581655]
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her and i..
maybe you should tell us other things you guys talk about.. *cough cough*
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-04-30 20:23 [#01581664]
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art is as much if not more dependant on our perception of it as it is on the medium... i'd guess that art has been around for as long as there has been consciousness, in fact, maybe art is what constitutes consciousness... i dunno, just a thought, anyhow...
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OK
on 2005-05-01 02:29 [#01581868]
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philosophy
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-05-01 02:36 [#01581872]
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Singing...
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kid
from mum (United Kingdom) on 2005-05-01 02:54 [#01581879]
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i saw a tv programme not long back where they showed the first ever piece or recorded 'art'. it was just simple criss cross lines carved in a stone, it was reckoned to be about 60000 years old i think they said, though i could be way off, my memory ain't too good.
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nacmat
on 2005-05-01 03:59 [#01581901]
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but men, first sang or made some rythm, lets say to intimidate or celebrate... oor first painted some thing in their bodies or objects to express propertie?
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OK
on 2005-05-01 08:54 [#01582104]
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yeah but that's not art.
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Motha Fucka
from Selvaggina (Brazil) on 2005-05-01 09:03 [#01582110]
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poop
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brokephones
from Londontario on 2005-05-01 09:13 [#01582119]
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the first created sexual position would be the first work of art wouldnt it? You can fuck regardless of how advanced you are. Fucking comes first.
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melack
from barcielwave on 2005-05-01 09:14 [#01582120]
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id said the first form of abstractness and expressing the individuality of the human being was writing... but i just dont know... was tribal rythms or cave painting art? i dont think so...
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DeadEight
from vancouver (Canada) on 2005-05-01 13:51 [#01582508]
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i dunno about that man... written language is a lot less intuitive than representational art... the earliest texts are definitely precluded by the spoken folk-tales they were adapted from... that said, in terms of what we consider art (medium-wise... and again, i don't really know if i agree with that) now, storytelling certainly may have been among the first
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-05-01 13:59 [#01582511]
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BOTH
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Paco
from Gothenburg (Sweden) on 2005-05-01 14:02 [#01582519]
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Some fake nude celeb shots I've seen might've been among the first.
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