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Gets untagled from the Fascist republic of Disney for distribution in UK.... lucky buggers...:) |
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hah yeah I heard about it. I hope it get distributed here aswell. going to the cinema is a nice experience. |
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Disney did the same thing to ICP in '97 it's what made them famous |
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fuck sake, the adverrts on that page forr the pile-o-shite film about the end of the worrld as we know it werre doing my fucking head in. |
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not long i can see people turrning on michael moore, he needs to be carreful |
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like they haven't alrready |
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:shrug: i still want to see it... possibly this weekend. anyone seen it yet? |
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that really is a well written article. long, but well written. |
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let's hear if for propaganda! hip hip hooray!! |
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Gee.. MSGOP, I mean NBC didn't like Fahrenheit 911. Who would have saw that one coming? |
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michael moore was on george stephanopoulos on sunday morning... i dunno what the tinfoil hat crowd thinks of abc, but since that's the only tv i watch, that's basically all i see. i know stephanopoulos worked in bill clinton's administration. anywhoo... he pretty much ripped moore a new one for being clearly biased. and moore's argument was that he was billing this movie as an op/ed peice, not a documentary. i still want to see it, for sure, but i'll view it with the same skepticism that i have when i watch a political ad. |
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btw, did you read the article? he makes several clear cut arguments for his opinion. it's not really just anti-moore rhetoric bashing. |
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** diclaimer** i'm by any means saying that this dude is unbiased. |
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i want to see it. |
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should that be saying "NOT by any means"..? |
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hahah. yeah. oops. |
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Michael Moore may be flawed, but at least he is out there fighting against corruption and the closest we have to evil. Kudos to him. |
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hear hear |
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agreed.. to a certain extent. but i mean, if the reasoning behind your argument is inherantly flawed.. if not a complete fabrication, then you should at least be aware of that, no? basically what you're saying is that it doesn't matter if an argument is completely bullshit, as long as their message is against who you are against? i'm not saying moore's takes is complete rubish, but it is very much propaganda. and i think it should be evaluated as such. |
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consumer terrorists! |
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everything's propaganda to an extent. so take everything how it is. |
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Moore has been accused before of fabrication, and I've never seen it satisfactorily proven. |
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I personally don't care if it's spin as long as it's not spin for The Right, which I am sick of. The important thing is that this film could have an impact on the elections. |
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Vote Bush! Vote Nuclear weapon programmes! Vote more polution! the average american can't be 'that' stupid. |
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yeah, Michael Moore is doing a good thing i say. Bowling for Columbine was a real eye opener for me, I now understnad why i cant stand american culture. |
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while i've enjoyed a lot of moore's work, he does seem to be in danger of sacrificing his integrity for a cause he clearly believes in passionately. it's usually best to remain calm and rational in the face of adversity, however hard that may be. being rash or reactionnary just undermines your cause. despite the well-written critique that epohs linked to earlier, i want to see the film for myself. we have to accept that everyone is going to be fundamentally biased on issues like this. and anyone who's going to the effort of making a piece of public 'info-tainment' about it is going to be biased. there are no subjective viewpoints in politics, surely? no one source should be wholly trusted. but the more opposing voices we can hear, the clearer picture we will be able to form. |
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I'm all late, I JUST saw Bowling for Columbine. So far, Micheal Moore rocks. |
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Canadaian Bacon was his best movie |
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as for the charton heston comment in that article: impending senile dementia or not, the guy's still a cunt |
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i guess i'm "for" michael moore, but it sure would be nice if the official spokesperson for the real left didn't throw out such suspect arguments, when much more solid ones can be made... |
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a lot of what sounds like is in the film was in his last book.. on papaer, most of it seemed fairly coherent.. i wonder whether it hasn't translated well to film? |
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wonderful, now we have people basing their view of American culture on something Michael Moore says. Fahrenheit 711, yum twinkies. |
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mylittlesister, have you ever been to america or just watch our movies? We are not all gun toting red necks, mate. |
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Apparently Heston didn't raise his gun and do the 'from my cold dead hands' speech in Columbine weeks after the killings as Moore illudes to in the film. Another example of manipulation on Moores part. Sure it's entertaining, but it's false. The way he pairs it with the conversation with the guy from south park was grossly stretching the truth. I hated Heston after that film because of video edits. Bush is manipulating the public, sure, but so is Moore. Two wrongs indeed do not make a dog leg to the left and around the corner. |
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i always assumed he purposefully used those 'rightwing' techniques in some sort of 'if you can't beat them, join them' fashion. don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying moore is rightwinged or anything, what i'm trying to say is that he pruposefully uses rightwing tools in benefit of the leftwing. in other words: it's leftwing propaganda. he delivers the necessary leftwing propaganda in times where the rightwing propaganda is dominating. |
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nevermind. that seemd a bit trivial after reading that link posted earlier in this thread. |
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*searches on kazaa lite* |
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it astounds me how full of shit some people are on here... |
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who me?? :'s |
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not you silly! the geezers who bang on about a film that they havenae seen. like "oooh this film sucks, but i have to see it first" kinda caper. silly sausages they are. |
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that is a damning article just confirms my perception that anything we receive through current media is affected by opinion, and cant be taken as gospel its probably going to be some time before the truth is truly accessible |
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CURRENT media??! ALL media in fact, everything you see and hear.. even my post |
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no one seems to notice the bias inherent in everything when it conforms with your own ideologies. it's when it contests them that everyone starts to complain. |
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Wait. Are you implying that everything you see on TV isn't true?! |
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that depends.. do you trust me? or do you trust tv? ..? |
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i agree. but the distinction im trying to make is that history, for example world wars 1+2, has documentation that can be agreed upon irrespective of where you come from |
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only with the benefit of hindsight. never make the assumption that perspective is not subject to flux |
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I saw Farenheit 9/11 last night. It was great. parts are very sad. most parts are really aggrivating. It deffinitely presents a very one sided story but, it mostly has a feeling of "pulling back the curtain" and letting you see all the facts in one place. Like, most of the info presented in the film, the most damning facts, are facts that we already know. They are facts that are mostly available to all of us. Michael Moore just puts them all in a format where you can look at the big picture and see how the facts are connected. It is not a lie that the Bush family and Binladin family have obvious financial ties. It is not a lie that many business, including those with Bush family and Dick Cheney ties, are making money hand over fist in this "business of war." Haliburton, for example, is a major contractor for civilian workers in Iraq. Cheney is a former CEO of that company. It doesn't take a genius to realize that there is a great potential for conflict of intrest if Cheney is currently vice president in a war that contracts his old company. the movie is full of things like this. It presents facts and then Michael Moore makes comments about them. We have seen the Republican side of the story. It is about time the world got to see behind the curtain. |
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that wasn't actually meant as a followup to bogala... |
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Did it mention the famed Bush / Nazi connection? |
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