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There's some FX processed scratching on my AE remix (on this site as part of ae compo). I've used scratching (mainly transformed drags) on a couple of other tracks (I honestly can't remember which) and it sounds like a synth. I'm working on a cover of Shing02's cover of DJ Shadow's Organ Donor, which has scratching on it. Also, a couple of my DnB tracks (same set of tracks as 2 in my preview) have scratches on. |
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ok. except for the aeremix, none of them are on-line? I love Organ Donor! I heard that track was done using two decks with the same record on (containing the organ), and then he just made the melody fading and mixing between them... (I may be confusing Organ Donor with another track on endtroducing, but track names never stay in my head.. It is the slightly crazy organ-track, right? I love the entire album anyway!) |
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Looking at the ones I've got online, no I don't think any of them do. I may put a video up on my zebox site at some stage. I'll let you know when/if I do. I should be able to afford my Ortofons next month BTW :D |
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Good! They haven't let me down (after I set the weight and arm-height right, they don't even skip if I tap the record!) I've gotten hold of an old BBC record with lots of sound effects on it (engine-sounds and lots of cool stuff!), it sounds funny when I scratch it, but I can't really do good scratch since i don't have the mixer... What I CAN do, is beatmix a U-God acapella onto flim! It sounds fucking hillarious, 'cause the voice doesn't fit AT ALL!!! Which turntables do you have by the way? |
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Vestax PDX2000s. I love 'em... A place in the UK is doing two (new black version) for £600. I can't remember where I read it (it wasn't the vestax site ;), but it has now eclipsed the 1210 as the best selling turntable. The old BBC records are great. I finally learnt how to crab on an original Radiophonic Workshop (the thing Rephlex re-issued) sound FX record. |
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OOH, NICE! With that anti-skip arm thingie and the ortofons you should be able to scratch through an earthquake! ? HAHAH! IJEST! no.. is it a technique for the crossfader? |
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and.. I'm gonna make a temporary "flying carpet" out of felt (I don't know if that's translated correctly.. it's a very soft and porous fabric) today... that goes ON TOP of the turntable-mat, right (a friend has been confusing me about this.. he wants me to put it UNDER, but that doesn't seem logical)? |
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Yep... it's weird, it's one that suddenly just clicks (no pun intended). I tried doing it for ages and then suddenly, one day it worked. . NB Mine is utter gash compared to the sound sample here... far slower. I can do 4 fingers in about 1/3 of a second, but it takes me about 1/3 of a second to "prep" my hand again afterwards, so I can only get about 8 hits of sound (or silence when hamster styling it) in a second, as opposed to 12. |
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Flying Carpets (and DIY ones from polysleeves) should go between the platter (turntable) and the slipmatt. If you're cutting up felt, that'd be more like a slipmatt. |
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well.. that seems a lot like plaing a scale on piano.. shouldn't be TOO hard for me, then... |
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ok. so the felt is on top of the normal turntable mat, then, while I, if i ever were to buy a flying carpet, should put that under the slipmat? |
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Best way to practice it (before you get to grips with it at least) is actually not with a mixer- basically just try to click each finger against your thumb (like when you "click your fingers" to make a noise) but faster/more gently (it shouldn't make much noise at all if you do it right). Take your time and to begin with, focus on making sure each finger contacts (I used to only have 3 fingers reliable and I'm still not totally cured of it) rather than doing it quickly. After you've got the hang of it, try speeding it up. One of the advantages of it is that you can practice it away from the turntables (and also both hands at once). I often do it without realising when my hands are idle, just sitting on a bus/whatever. |
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if you're using a felt mat, you should take that rubber mat off (I assume that's what you mean when you say "normal turntable mat"?) |
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I'll probably get it eventually... haha! it's like a "wave," right? |
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the felt isn't thicker than two millimetres (2mm = 0.0787402 inches), though... I think that would make the tonearm too high (even if i set it to lowest)... |
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Butter rugs are more like 1.5mm, it should be fine :) Bear in mind that vinyl varies massively in its thickness (from acetates to audiophile pressings) so a couple of millimetres shouldn't make much difference. |
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ok.. then I'll do that when I get home... yeah.. I have a few of those "wobbly" vinyls at home.. they are impossible to handle normally.. you have to be REALLY careful not to break them (they are OLD jazz-reords.. they have preserved their good quality, though!) |
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re: polysleeves: whut? those clear plastic-thingies that you can get, which are on the outside of the paper-part of the cover? as I said earlier, i was at a hip-hop event thingie on friday, and there was a dj (pretty well known here in norway; Teddy Touch). He did lots of cool stuff like that crab-thingie and all that, and I hung on every move, so I've got quite a few things to practice, I see! In the middle, when Erick Sermons DJ came out and was setting up (on technics, mind you, hehe (face with tongue out)), I started shouting for a DJ-battle, and people started shouting along, but it didn't happen.. would've been cool, though! |
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Is Teddy and relation of Tony Touch? ;) Polysleeves = like the white paper sleeves inside record covers (the ones with the hole in the middle), but usually with no hole and as well as the paper "outer" bit (that goes in the card cover with artwork/whatever on) there is a plasticy inner to it (but it's glued into the paper). |
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aha! THOSE thingies! hmm.. I'll check it out... Teddy not in relation, but an equally big legend (if you put the size of the country up against it, and not counting the fact that Tony is a legend even OUTSIDE usa...) in norway. He's REALLY good at what he does! |
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What's the Norwegian scene like? The only country in your bit of the world that I know anything about (Scratch wise) is Sweden. djbattle.net is a good swedish turntabilism site. |
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norway has lots of quality production (Tommy Tee has done production for lots of US rappers), we've got Teddy Touch, which is amazing with decks, we've got Jaypea (which I don't like, but I have to admit, he knows his shit). I don't know of any mbs in english where there are lots of norwegian guys, but I know they're out there. it is possible that we have more good producers than turntablists, though.. I motsly only know about hip-hop, though.. the techno-producers/dj's spend their days doing useless remix-compilations aimed at the "russ" (about half a year before graduation from high-school (I think that's the correct translation.. it's the year you become 18), we are "russ." It's all about causing havoc, wrecking shit, having sex, drinking and doing stunts!) are some beats by a friend of mine.. he's pretty good with the tables, but still a newbie. I don't think there's any much scratch in there, though... |
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tonearm: what type is best for scratch? "S" or straight? |
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Straight. There's a fair bit of debate on the issue, but straight is generally acknowledged as better. |
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ok. then I'll have to replace the one I have. can you recommend any of those drum-loops/scratch-sounds records? are there any that are better than others and so-on? |
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I didn't think you could get straight arms for Tech 1210s?! Re: Battle Records Dave and me mention a few earlier on in the thread. My current favs for scratches: DJ Butchwax (also listed as DJ Flare) - Hee-Haw Brayks and D-Styles - Gag-Ball Breaks. For beats I like some of the DJ Rectangle ones (although as me and Dave mention earlier, scratch samples, sound quality and overall layout are appaling on some of them) and my current fav is Needle Thrashers - Alpha. |
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oh.. so they're not replaceable, then? battlerecs: I know there are a few break-records or whatever they're called at the local music-shop.. I'll check for those names... |
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On some turntables they are, but not on Technics so far as I know. I've never used/seen straight arm technics... |
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ok.. then it's nothing to worry about, then. |
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you can get kits to mod 1210s to straight. The advantages are minimal. Simply because pdx2000s and co. were designed to have straight. techs were designed to have S shaped. you can change it, but it won't be like "wow this is so much better". and they look wrong anyway. I think you can get kits from www.turntablelab.com. also on that site, there are reviews and real audio of battle records, which is good. read their review, then buy it locally. although most battle records are imports from the US, and are expensive (cos they're imports). may be cheaper to buy from them, I dunno, but more hassle (they're based in New York). crabs are a good trick to learn, but its better to do it with 3 fingers, cos the difference between 3 and 4 is not anything really. and you can bounce from 3 onto a different trick easily, like go from 3click crabs to a twiddle and uzi the record, then fade down the channel when uzi-ing. Then cut back in with some flares, then mutate the flares into a crab by getting faster and faster on the flares(tricky to keep hands synched!!)then repeat. |
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re: TEchs straight arms I had a glance at turntable lab but couldn't see 'em. Like you say, the difference will be minimal as pdx2000s & stanton str8-xx are designed for straights whereas techs are meant to have the curved s arm. I don't mind using either and I reckon it's a myth that people who get used to one find it hard to use the other. re: three finger crabs Yep, I certainly find it easier to transition from them than 4 fingers- reason being I tend to use my middle finger and thumb for other xfader movements. So, rather than having to go little,ring, middle, index, middle (changing the direction of your fingers "mid-flow" can be tricky), I just go: little, ring, middle, middle (in both cases the last middle being the first finger movement of the next scratch). Dave: Have you used/read a review of the Numark PT-01? I've been meaning to get a Vestax handytrax for a while, but this looks pretty good and if it becomes available over here, I may well get it instead. |
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Yeah, the reason why I asked about the tonearms was that I saw some Vestax-deck that had a feature to easily change the arms. Those Vestax'es sure seem handy with all the extra features, but I tried a few decks from both vestax, numark and technics, and even though both vestax and numark have more features, I just felt more for the Technics. I can see why people like the vestaxes and such, but even though some of the vestaxes for example have more torque than the techs, the techs feel better, and it really FEELS like they've got more torque. btw: I just ordered some butter-rugs from america today, and it was, like 50kroner (£5 (yeah, not much, but still...)) cheaper than from england and sweden, even INCLUDING shipping... about the scratch-techniques: I've tried my hand at some before, but not the crab (seemed too hard). I managed the transformer scratch right away, though (must be from playing FFVIII on ps2 or something), and of course baby, plus some random moves... I'm really looking forward to getting my mixer, but I think I've gone a bit off the hook with buying vinyl right now.. bought Beans yesterday, and ordered Pharoahe Monch - Internal Affairs as well. Been thinking of getting Plaid - Spokes, since that's already in the shop, and I've been thinking of ordering Talib Kweli - Quality.. hehe.. expenses for vinyl, indeed... |
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He he, I was practicing my transform (getting it dead on the beat- not speed) for a couple of hours this afternoon. :) Glad to hear you've got the butter rugs. You decided on a mixer yet? Re: Choosing the Techs- yep sure, they're great decks. I know I sometimes come off as anti-them, I'm not- it just winds me up when people have the view (which is now getting on for 4/5 years out of date) that Technics are the only worthwhile premium turntable :o) |
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haha! yeah, I've noticed that quite a few people are partial to their decks (goes both ways, mind you). There's really no use in this.. there are individual things that make you go for different decks.. if I hadn't had the possibility to test the decks beforehand, I'd have gone for some vestaxes for sure because of all the features! mixer: either vestax pmc or rane as you and dave recommended, I think. |
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oooh! just got the butter rugs in the mail! i put the black side up, 'cause that made most sense.. and anyway.. if it's wrong.. they're already fucking great! It doesn't even break that quartz-lock light-thingie's cycle when I scratch! |
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oops! major static trouble. The rugs stick to the records when I lift them off... |
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The rugs tend to do that most when they're new, it wears off after a couple of weeks, although they do still stick to new records sometimes. You should wipe your new records with an anti-static brush to help prevent them attract dust and also stick to the rugs. If you're really serious about it, or buy absolutely loads of records you might want to invest in a Milty anti-static gun, but I find a brush is fine. |
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yeah, I've already got one of those brushes, and I use it whenever I'm listening to a record instead of trying to practice doing stuff with it... did I get it right about which side is up, by the way? |
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Most people I've seen put them text side up, but it's entirely up to you, as you say there's very little difference in the performance. re: anti-staticing. I tend to do it (3/4 revolutions worth, both side) the first few times I listen to a record. After that, I just do it after every time I clean it. My usual test to see if it needs it (aside form the amount of dust on it) is if it makes the hairs on my arms go up when they're next to it :) |
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ok. I make mental note. Me king of jungle. |
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haha. I never bother with antistatic. i suppose i should, but I just use my Tshirt. Its not too much of a problem after a while. but watch out for your monitor (CRT) facing the decks, cos that fires out ions which charge the decks. I work in the electronics industry, and beleive me, static is easy to generate(destroys CMOS components!). so watch out for CRTs, etc, which can charge up decks/vinyl/you/etc. ok so it may not blow up your decks/vinyl like it would to an computer chip, but makes messy records with loads of embedded dust. So you can be reletivly care free(i.e. not wiping them constantly)if you avoid obvious sources. |
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..the Vestax DXM-06.. better or worse than the matrix or any rane or vestax pmc? |
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WHAT the fuck am I ON about? My head must've been mixed up when I wrote that. Forget that! First of all, the DXM is Numark, and I know this... secondly, that was not the question I was going to ask. that office needs airing... the real question: is Vestax PMC-05ProIII a good buy over any Rane mixer in the same price-range? You had this discussion earlier, but I need to get this clarified... |
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Not used the mk3 version of the 05Pro, so I can't really comment on that, but the mk2 was good value for the money, whereas this seems pretty expensive for the marginal improvements. I really like the PMC-06 (if that's what you're refering to!) fantastic shape and as you might of seen me and Dave saying in PhystPhuke's thread yesterday, the layout is a dream. You can literally use it with your eyes closed (I just did for 10 minutes straight). I'd defiantely consider a PMC-06A (normal version) over a PMC-05III, though. Cheaper too. You may (if you're very lucky) be able to find some store that hasn't hiked the price of the 06-ProD (Samurai Version) up yet, in which case I'd definately go for that as it's the same price as a 05III (around £350). |
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yeah.. the 05ProD is.. 9900 NOK (£786,77) as compared to the 05ProIII at 4950 (£393,38). those were the only prices I could find... |
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or.. is it? I found a site () that sells them for $499, which isn't that far from 3500 NOK.. that means it is actually cheaper than the 05proIII in the norwegian shop I found.. but.. I'll have to count shipping and toll, so it'll probably amout to about the same... The problem is that I don't have this kind of money right now, and they say there are only 100 left of those things (in America)... |
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05ProD is.. 9900 NOK (£786,77) Man, definately don't get that then- you could get a Raine TTM-56 for that! |
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yeah.. If I get it from Norway, I'll get the ProIII. But that Vestaxstore-thingie was way cheap! There, the ProD cost less than the ProIII, so... I think I'm going to buy it if there are still units left when I've got enough money! Have they really discontinued making the ProDs? |
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shit yeah |
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hmm.. I'm beginning to wonder if it really is worth buying it from USA. The total expenses of shipping + div fees will make it less expensive than buying it from here, but it'll also make it 2000 nok more expensive than ProIII... in your opinion.. will I get what I pay for? |
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