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Twerk uses Max/MSP to program his own instruments - I gather it's something like Reaktor but for people who are even geekier. Is it worth checking out? I'd have to upgrade from 2000 to XP to install the demo. |
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com.a uses it too |
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my friend told me about how com.a sets up sequences that set off other sequences or something i dunno i just downloaded super collider and it confounds the shit out of me |
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fleetmouse whats up with your posts lately? youve only been getting like 2 or 3 replies. |
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its the sweet candy smell. |
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I got the windows version, I never had the patience to put it to use. which irritates me cause I know you can do some wacked out stuff with it. and I'm really drawn to randomness and chaos theory type stuff. |
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It's worth checking out! But don't forget, you have to spend *ALOT* of time with Max/MSP to get the best out of it... |
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Well you're a moderator - can't you move other people's posts into my threads? *sigh* I'll always have "now playing" |
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"I'd have to upgrade from 2000 to XP to install the demo." It works on 2000 as well, at least in my case it does... It's way too complicated for me now, I barely know Reaktor so I need to get into that first. I think it's not always better to have more options to play with as someone who is fairly new to it. |
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MAX/MSP is a really hardcore program. You can do amazingly complex stuff with it. I would say go for it. Get the tutorials, play with them from the beggining, so you can learn step by step. There is also a MAX/MSP community on the web, so you can get help there too. I havnt started using it myself, but I plan to take a class on it next summer. My friend made a program that was like 16 sampler tracks, that you could record to live. Then you could loop the samples (complete with a visual waveform display) Then he had a sequencer, and a matrix control, that allowed to use fractal based algorithms to modulate various paramaters (did I mention it was also a granular sampler?) We performed this piece, him using his patch, and a guitarist, and me on bass. Me and the guitarist were improvising on some chord changes, and the guitar part was running into his laptop. So he sampled various phrases on the first go around, and then came in on the second, doing all sorts of granular editing live over us. Nice spacy/melodic sound collage type thing. And he had only scratched the surface of the program, when he made it. Good luck! |
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^ what he said... And also there's a ton of additonal modules & plug-ins on the net for MAX/MSP ... |
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Haha, I was expecting mister academica knew something about it. :-) Sounds like a killer program - you make it sound like a modular cross between Cubase and Reaktor, in kit form. So you can build a sequencer into your programs, or do you mean he was using some other sequencer? |
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oh man this is fuckleducked. |
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I'm going to check this out becuase i'm bored as hell these days! |
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Wow sounds pretty neat... too bad i have zero patience currently |
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I'm liking the idea of being able to do my own thing so i'm definately check it out. Can somebody Provide me with some links? |
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Well cheesedick to this, the installer says "os must be windows xp" I just got through copying my install of Windows 2000 over to a new hard drive and I don't feel like any more computer shenanigans ATM. This'll have to wait until I get my laptop. Now, I can't decide between a Mac running OSX or a Win XP machine... both of those could run Max. Advantage with the Mac is, it's based on Unix which is way slammin cool. Disadvantage is I have to buy all new software and it won't run the Fruit. |
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you can make sequencers in it |
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its good if you want to spend months or years customizing and reading manuals. after that it should treat you very well. frankly that has never appealed to me. i like the program but its curve is absurdly high i find. christ, i use reaktor all the time and max/msp still makes my head spin. reaktor is kinda babyish in comparison, but you are still assembling modules, which is no different than something like the nord modular, albeit nord modulars design is 23259235035 times better than reaktors. but max/msp is just insane compared to even the biggest reaktor ensemble. ill give maxmsp a shot one of these days (ive used to a few times, and created smaller things), but right now its not too necessary for what i want to do. if you like text boxes and command lines id say go for it, or if you want to make a completely customizable synthesizer/sequencer, id say go for it. me, i just want to make some beats and melodies. fruity loops it is. |
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You can make whatever you want. Even a cat. |
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i really want to learn supercollider i think it's like the mac equivalent |
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making cats is good fun |
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well, thats odd. Seeing as MAX/MSP originally was for Mac. so... mac equivalent of whosa wasa? |
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ive seen max patches that where like, mmm, 15-20 times larger then |
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modularism is fun. MAX/MSP Reaktor Nords Tassman its the way of the future baby! |
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oh god i don't understand! |
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With the Nord, can you set up routing and shit between the different components, so it's like a hardware Reaktor? |
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No THIS is the way of the future baby. |
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i use max/MSP, mainly for guitar processing, but i have been known to write a few "electronic" songs with my patches. the goal with max/MSP is to completely master it. Once you have done that, anything you can imagine can come true. obviously i haven't mastered it, but from what I have learned, I am very pleased. I have made MANY synths, including a version of the nord lead 1 (copied the specs from the internet). i have made a few different sequencers. basically this is what max/MSP all comes down to: Once you've learned it, there are infinite ways to do anything, synthesis, sequencing, sample playback, ANYTHING. On one hand its good because you have no limits, on the other hand its frustrating because you don't know how to create limits for yourself, i.e. constantly working on patches, no matter if you tell yourself they are finished or not. in the end you ahve to remember to make music and not get to into the programming side of things, if you start to use max and become frustrated that you haven't made music in awhile, stop programming and just make the best shit you can out of the patches you have. hope that helps |
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yeah, the nord is alot like reaktor. But it doesnt have granular synthesis, and is less geared to effects processing (I could be wrong) And speaking of which I just placed my preorder for a nord modular g2. biggity bam! |
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Hey dude I downloaded the Tiki Obmar album from Emusic, so you probably earned some negligible amount of money for that. :-) I take it there's some Max/MSP stuff going on in there? Lots of interesting sounds for sure. |
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fleetmouse: heres what the nord editor looks like. I like its editor more the reaktor because its all right there. you dont have to switch between the patching screen, and the actual ensemble screen (note, the wires are hidden in this picture) |
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yeah nord modular is great. i dont have one at the moment, but i do want one....trying to get my friend to send me his, since he doesnt use it probably no such luck though :\ |
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Wow there's a lot of potential there - I wonder if it's possible to create patches so hairy that they overload the unit's processors? |
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yes. but usually what happens, is it compensates by decreasing polyphony. and apparently the new editor is smart. self optimizing... so if you have unnessasary # of moduals, it will change it, so it takes up less processing or something like that |
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Max/MSP sounds awesome i'm definately going to have a go! I'll have to wait a bit though. |
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i think somebody here has used that |
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Probably...I don't pay enough attention :P |
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learn python and write your own programs... |
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Ok, hit me with some info and i'll have a look and see if it fries my brain or not. |
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You may wanna try PureData ... an open source, freeware version of MAX/MSP... .... "Quote from the PD manual: "Pd is a real-time graphical programming environment for audio and graphical processing. It resembles the Max/MSP system but is much simpler and more portable"." Pure Data Review... ... |
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So reaktor is used to program your own sounds? |
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Reaktor is used to make your own synths/drum machines/samplers/fx/etc. Quite similar to Buzz/Audiomulch (both of which are free/shareware) in principle. I never really got on with Reaktor 2/3, I could make simple synths, but they didn't really have any sounds I couldn't get out freeware vsts/or my own setups in Vaz Modular. Although my aging CPU isn't up to it for real time applications, I like Reaktor 4. For once you can make your own synths that have sounds you'd be hard pressed to make synth patches for in existing programs, but don't take too long to make. I've made a (horrendously innefficient CPU wise) nice granular noise one that's good for water/rain/traffic/general ambient sounds and it only took me about an hour. Jand, Ta for the heads up re: PureData... I'm going to have to check that out. |
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this shit os gonna occupy me on a 24 hours flight. w00t! |
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Cheers Jand! That sounds like a cheaper alternative. I also found it interesting how it was developed by one of the guys at IRCAM, should be juicy! Audiomulch is the bomb! I'm having loads of fun with it. |
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thing about max is it looks like work too much... not fun like fruityloops for example. its pretty fucking awkward, i downloaded the demo, and opened it up expecting to get straight into it like every other music program, but its completly different. ill try it out again when i have some time |
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"i downloaded the demo, and opened it up expecting to get straight into it like every other music program," well whyd you expect that? We told you throughout the entire thread that it was a hardcore program! :-P |
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I agree with ZEUS... There are NO limits with MAX/MSP/Pure-data.... I woud've given my right arm for that kind of power, during my music-making days... My major problem with most music software is how it limits you; making complex things easy is commendable, but really just leads to EASY music...Presetitus etc... |
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My atttitude towards presets now is that they are there for two reasons: 1) To show the new user what the program/VST is capable of and 2) To provide a basis for other patches. By this I mean, say you want some brass in your piece, you load up all the brass presets, find the one nearest the sound you want and then use that to make the sound you want. |
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