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..um..the choice for, I mean.. I thought as we seem to be getting some big subjects solved here, lets plow on! I'm pro. |
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Against. |
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controversial post season or what! what about euthanasia? :) its a pretty messy subject, but if it's down to pro/anti - call me pro |
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pro u monsters lol |
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Pro Euthanasia tho. |
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I'm pro; all women should have an abortion. Seriously though, I am pro-choice. All women have the right to exercise what happens to their own bodies. Its their human right. |
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sure jonesy |
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yeah.. I've made a list.. still have 'religion' to do..um.. |
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Should mothers have the right to kill their kids after they're born? Mum: Tidy your room Kid: No Mum: Well then... (shoots kid) :) |
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well ... there are tricky situations when the mothers life is at stake (more correctly, both the mother and the child) - bit of a lose lose situation. then there is good ol rape ... seems pretty unfair towards the mother and her freedom etc. to be obliged/forced to bring the child into existence because of rape or such .. (of course - it'd have to be case specific and such) i does seem a little perverse to suggest one does not need to go on the pill or slip on a rubber - (even these aren't 100% proof), as you can "just get an abortion" - its pretty hard on the mother (esp.) emotional wise etc .. the guilt and stuff ... |
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Difficult one to say really. In the case of it being the child of a rape then yes I'm pro and for obvious reasons. But if it's some slapper who just sleeps around getting cock left right and centre then no. There's enough ways to stop unwanted pregnancies now so there really is no reason. Too many different situations to write down but you get what I mean. |
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damn I was too slow. |
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Has anyone read Filth by Irine Walsh? |
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Irvine Welsh, sorry |
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Well, that is not abortion but murder. BTW why pro-euthanasia but now pro-abortion? Because euthanasia is chosen by those killed? |
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Yeah, why? |
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giginger .. same time :) no haven't read filth .. any good /// abortions/rape/suicide ohhh.. you know (not the case anymore) but suicide used to be illegal - and the sentence was death penalty! i guess it'd be sick to say that was funny ... |
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I'm not happy about abortion especially when the baby is more or less complete. You can't just fuck around and then have the baby killed out of convenience. It's acceptable when - something is wrong with the baby - when the mother is raped - when the mother is totally incapable of raising it I'm also pro euthanasia, when the quality of life is so low and there is very little hope of the situation improving then I think it's right to put an end to the suffering |
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ceri - by that line of argument you are (and i am) killing kids in africa, coz i'm spending money to pay for internet services .. i buy cd's, i buy cans of coke, instead of sending it to some place where aid and money is needed? |
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"It's acceptable when - something is wrong with the baby - when the mother is raped - when the mother is totally incapable of raising it" ^ that's quite a tricky one - you get into the slippery slope tehre - what is "something wrong" ??? the more technology we have, the more things you can find "wrong" .. is downs syndrome "wrong"? oh, and i'm pro euthanasia as well .. medicine ought to be about minimising suffering, and sometimes death is the most humane solution |
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To say that there are loads of women 'fucking about' and then just thinking "Oh yeah, I'll just get an abortion" and being really blase isn't really a true picture. |
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... ceri - what about the morning after pill? |
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Nah, there's a difference between choosing not to save and activley destroying it's like, do you stop and help at a crash? If you don't it's not as bad as running people over intentionally... re: Filth, just a humourous point as the main character is a child of rape and kills himself at the end of the book. Korben: Suicide hasn't been illegal for ages in Germany and the Uk. It's now seen as a tragedy rather than a crime. I don't see why society gets so wound up about it, it's a very altruistic thing to do (apart to family and friends) for society... |
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I reckon that's just a form of abortion. I think it's skank fathers have no say in whether or not an abbortion goes ahead... |
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If personally seen women who did it that way, it didn't make me very happy. What I wanted to say is that it depends on the circumstances wether I'm for it or against it. I didn't say that most women do it this way. |
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Dude, I'm reading it at the moment and am 10 pages from the end!!! |
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Sorry man, I thought you said you'd read it? Damn, I feel a shit now... I hate it when people do that. Surely you saw it coming though? Re: Morning after pill. I know people who have done it a couple of times and jsut see it as another for of contraception.. even if they limited the number of times it was issued a year to 2 they'd get round it by getting a mate to get it for them (most girls seem to get their friends to get them for them anyway). |
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"you get into the slippery slope tehre - what is "something wrong" ??? the more technology we have, the more things you can find "wrong" .. is downs syndrome "wrong"?" It depends on the parents. If they want to lovingly raise a child with down-syndrome or not. But I agree that this is a grey area. |
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I was just kidding; I did finish it. classic book. Well if you argue that the morning after pill is the same as an abortion then what about condoms? Or the regular pill? |
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But if you choose not to hav ethe kid on reasons like that, surel it's moving towards eugenics? What if you discover it's a girl and decide to have an abbortion as you wanted a boy... |
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I can't belive you anti people. In a world where George W. Bush is President of the US you are AGAINST abortion???? |
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Morning after pill works within a couple of days, so I suppose whilst conception has occured it hasn't neccesarily settled in the womb. Tricky point. I know someone who used to just take shitload sof paracetamol & binge drink when she got pregnant, self administer abortion like. Nic eh? You wind up merchant :P |
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Nah, there's a difference between choosing not to save and activley destroying it's like, do you stop and help at a crash? If you don't it's not as bad as running people over intentionally... well .. i don't know .. i mean certainly buying something is a lot more removed than going to the doctor and "ordering" an abortion ... but i think in principle its the same. you have a choice to spend your money one way or another .. of course one can claim ignorance (but i'll ignore that for now :), but just because such a place is more removed .. ie. not in ones body - doesn't mean one's actions don't affect people across the globe ... Of course, its all very contingent, and its a bit tricky to say that you buying a turntable killed this particular person (which is more what you're inferring happens in the abortion case). But then can not the mother say, "well, i'm forced into abortion, but its not "me" who's killing the child", .. rape - could be the "cause" of the childs death, or a whole host of contingent social issues .. ie. what i'm trying to get at is .. in abortion, the mother is held hostage, because the foetus is in her womb, and it is "her" decision, but i think in some cases, placing this responsibility solely on the mother is a bit unfair? re: Filth, just a humourous point as the main character is a child of rape and kills himself at the end of the book. Korben: Suicide hasn't been illegal for ages in Germany and the Uk. It's now seen as a tragedy rather than a crime. I don't see why society gets so wound up about it, it's a very altruistic thing to do (apart to family and friends) for society. yeah i know .. but i thought it was quite a thoughtful um.. law or something. Tricky one .. really sort of questions identity etc. Is it better to prescribe pills to someone who will walk around, happy etc.. (of course can't always be guaranteed)?? |
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"What if you discover it's a girl and decide to have an abbortion as you wanted a boy..." with "wrong" I mean serious malfunction. |
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But what if you have a supremacist couple who see having a baby with dark hair as wrong? As technology improves this will become a real issue... |
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damn, shagged that last post a bit ... re: the suicide thing .. is the person on anti-depressants still the same person? and jonesy, yeah .. people do say that "condoms" kill. catholics (some - don't want to generalise), are anti-contraception, hence monty pythons "e-ve-ry sperm is saaaa-cred, e-ve-ry sperm is ..." |
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Re: Catholics- he knows, he used to be one! Korben: My dad is on anti-depressents. Seems pretty damn lucid to me. Same person as before, less prone to mood swings & snapping. Better IMO. |
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"... if a sperm is wa-sted, god gets quite irate .." :) |
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Did everyone like the chick tract URL I posted? I love the way they generalise & vastly over-simplify everything :) |
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who me? naw .. i never indulged in that practice (catholicism). Yeah .. the drug thing is a tricky one .. i mean, again, its all grey. I mean, girls tend to eat chocolate in egging season .. etc etc ... but i tend to see a bit of a greyness between being "you" and a zombie [of course i've got stuff like lithium, clozapine and that sort of anti-psychotic stuff in mind] ... mmm. |
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aye .. took too long to load .. only caught a cupla pics :) *clicks again* |
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Jonesy used to be a Catholic. Yeah, I know what you mean, the anti-schizophrenia drugs really can change people... As an aside note my mate reckons that all mental illness is self induced, how mad is that? |
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Maybe you could just order a load of tracts instead- it'd be quicker ;) |
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well... defining what is "normal" is pretty tricky .. and it seems that all the stuff exists on continuums rather than discrete categories (a la DSM-IV). ie. reading reverie, you get people that get really involved in a book, and will have "dissociated" from the rest of the world .. lies on a continuum with dissociative identity disorder (multiple personality disorder) .. again that's the extreme, but to dissociate on a very basic level is normal. if you are having a conversation with someone, in a public place you have to dissociate all the background noise - if you're eavesdropping, you dissociate all the other conversations etc. .. i mean its very interesting stuff. re: the self induced stuff .. mmm,, i don't know, at the moment i'm more inclined to contingent models of self, and so to say its self induced is a little meaningless .. dunno bout that. one of the big correlations they've found though with stuff like schizophrenia and especially DID, is severe sadistic child abuse seems to be a factor. I mean in the case of DID this seems to make sense, its a protective mechanism .. you create other personalities (crudely speaking) who did not experience those horrible events. ^ and again, you act differently depending on your surroundings .. blah blah .. i should really head off .. |
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yeah .. i know this about jonesy's past :) |
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pro but yeah..is this like the season to out all laundry dirty or other wise? |
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PRO CHOICE..that is pro abortion still has a sting in it's tail that bothers me.. |
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I think people sometimes choose to indulge their mental illness whilst those with a stronger will can resist it... |
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anyway .. i'm going to shoot off now. re: self induced - i guess you could say it in a certain sense, but it seems to me, if it was, that it would be in reaction to something. paranoia .. how far does one take it? maybe the CIA is after me? ... OCD .. it's all pretty interesting stuff. |
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