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nacmat
on 2003-05-06 11:56 [#00686574]
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after reading as.com
..................ronaldo............................. ..........................morientes.................. ...zidane.........................................figo ...............makelele...guti...................... r.carlos.....helguera......hierro.....salgado ........................casillas........................
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-06 11:57 [#00686576]
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what do you think about guti playing in the midfield? imo he cant play there-it just seems to me like he doesnt fit there-he should always be playing like you put it there IMO
and hurray for morientes-i always liked him!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-06 11:58 [#00686578]
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looks pretty attacking :)
there should be some more strikers inthere tho!
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nacmat
on 2003-05-06 12:01 [#00686585]
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the only one missing is raul...who else do you want?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-06 12:06 [#00686592]
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i was kidding...looks like they're going for the win i mean i dont remember when was the last time i saw morientes, guti and ronaldo on field at the same time...
i got to go now...so enjoy the game! and let the better team win
i'll post in the half time...that is if real will be winning :)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-06 12:21 [#00686619]
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damn!!! i'll miss the last 30 minutes of the first half time
this s u c k ! ! !
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-06 14:52 [#00686834]
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im sure next game in torino will be much better...juve was pretty good (and they will be even better with montero and davids) so if madrid wants to pass them thy will have to play much better (i hope ronaldo is not badly injured)
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nacmat
on 2003-05-06 14:55 [#00686843]
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first half should have ended 2-0
but juve get petrol out of nothing
then in 2nd half juve played really good
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-06 14:57 [#00686848]
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i didnt see that goal by trezeguet...but yeah, juve played really good in the 2nd half
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nacmat
on 2003-05-06 15:02 [#00686862]
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and even though juve played great in 2nd half madrid did the 2-1 and was about to do the 3-1... so its gonna be a hard match for both in turin
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 01:53 [#00687476]
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well, i saw a great match with a beautiful real madrid especially in the first time. I'm pretty happy about final result, 2-1 at Bernabeu isn't so bad, return will be really hard.
I'm sure Real will score at least 1 goal in Turin, so Juve should play a great match if they want to go in the final.
Zidane, Ronaldo and Figo are wizards with ball between feet.
Nedved and DelPiero played bad yesterday, instead I liked Trezeguet, Thuram and especially Zambrotta.
Today Milan-Inter
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2003-05-07 02:13 [#00687478]
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hey dudes long time no see
i see this thread is still going strong , and juve too... you must be pretty happy woofer :)
I've been away from here so long because of extensive travelling. I'm currently living in Saigon , Vietnam where i have girls throwing themselves at me (such a hard life :D) .
will watch the milan derby at 2 AM local time here and i'll enjoy the fierce rivalry and massive occasion !!! I have no preference, but will support whichever team plays fairest and goes out for goals.
viva football :))
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 02:19 [#00687482]
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hmm, i think madrid wasnt on the quite same level yesterday as they were against manchester-but this was probably more because of lippi's tactic than madrid having a bad day...
i agree nedved had a bad day though
i hope inter can win today, its going to be pretty tough without vieri...
(im of to saigon now...)
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2003-05-07 02:27 [#00687491]
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yes plenty here for you tolstoyed :D
a good result for Juve last night... madrid could have scored more near the end...
i hope juve don't play for 0-0 and then try to squeeze a winner near the end in the return leg. always better to see lots of goals !! ( like man u 5-6 real )
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 02:47 [#00687507]
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i think juve will start the game same as yesterday-careful, to see what madrid is going to do...they really played nice tactically...they saw madrid wasnt in their best form so they started to play much more opened football after the first minutes
and yeah, i would love to see many goals, but im affraid we wont see this because italian teams are playing too hard football imo and they're putting more effort on defence than scoring goals
(now im really of to saigon)
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 03:19 [#00687536]
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hello smokehammer, i'm glad to see you here again :) you're one of the crew of football lover on Xltronic ;)
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 03:23 [#00687541]
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juve tactics and her solid kind of play stopped a little the fast armored of real madrid, and limited their fantasy and play.
it's one of best weapon of this juve.
anyway i don't know why, in the last 3 years del piero doesn't play well where are important matches :-/
nedved wasn't in perfect conditions of health, so i hope to see the real nedved in the return match.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 03:32 [#00687545]
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www.juventus.com writes: "The match ends 2-1 and is the best deafet possible. On 8 days at Delle Alpi the 1-0 can be enough to get to the final"
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 04:15 [#00687577]
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its gonna be hard... but beautiful
hello smokehammer!!
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2003-05-07 07:49 [#00687810]
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hi nacmat..
who do people in spain think will win tonight ?
and woofer... which milan club do italians consider the BIGGEST ? I've always thought AC Milan has had the most success in recent times (90's) but that Inter is more succesful before then, and probably has a greater support because of that tradition .
Am i right ? which team has the biggest support now ? Or are they dead level ?
would be interested to know.
And do Juve still have the biggest nationwide support of all the italian sides ? or do allegations of bias from referees make the rest of italy feel resentment to them ?
In england i think the biggest clubs are:
1. man united 2. liverpool 3. arsenal 4. newcastle
although newcastle maybe have the best supporters and most people like to see them do well ... and many people don't like manchester .
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 08:23 [#00687877]
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I like this kind of info & stats.
Ok, well... about Italian team supporters, here below tha chart
1. Juve 2. Milan 3. Inter
You perfectly understood the situation, in fact Inter was 2nd untill 80's but then after Gullit, VanBasten & co. period, Milan started to get much more fans and now it's the second fav team in Italy, really near to Juve.
Inter is giving many dissatisfaction to supporters, last victory in italian championship is dated 1989!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 08:29 [#00687890]
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inter sould put more effort on attack i mean with all those great atacking players they should score goals not deffend!
but, they are still my favourite italian team
and i thought roma would be pretty high on that support list-i mean is one of the oldest clubs and its from a big city...
well, this is a little surprising
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 08:32 [#00687897]
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very interesting! i'm glad to see who Liverpool is always 2nd, 'cos they're not winning much (as manchester or arsenal) in last years, but i remember who in the 80's it was one of the strongest team in the world as Real Madrid, Juventus and Barcelona.
I remember great derby LIVERPOOL-EVERTON.
What about Everton? They've much supporter or not? I think this team has a new wonderful player called Rooney, probably a new star in the UK football.
And what's happened to Nottingham Forest? They are in 2nd division, isn't it? It was a great team in the past too.
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 08:34 [#00687905]
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probably the chart should be:
1. Juve 2. Milan 3. Inter 4. Rome or Naples (is in 2nd division, now are risking 3rd division but they have a lot of fans anyway)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 08:38 [#00687916]
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napoli needs maradona to avoid the 3rd division :)
i have no idea what population does milan, torino or roma have, but i always thought roma was much bigger...
its normal for juventus to have the most supporters as torino FC is not that good and probably most of the torino population is suporting juve...but it certanly is a surprise to see milan and inter doing so great!
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Spacecadet
on 2003-05-07 08:40 [#00687924]
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everton have done pretty well this season and rooney is a futere star for sure! they have strong loyal supporters, most people from liverpool support everton, then people near liverpool support liverpool
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 08:43 [#00687934]
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juventus has a lot of supports also in centre and south of italy.
there're milan and inter fans in south and centre too (i don't know why).
instead there are really few persons in north who support Rome or Naples or Lazio.
this should be why juve, milan and inter as much more supporters.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 08:44 [#00687937]
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who can understand this southern italians!? :)
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Spacecadet
on 2003-05-07 08:51 [#00687958]
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in uk it's the same, lots of manchester united or liverpool supporters in the south, but little or no arsenal/chealsea supporters in the north
guess it's to do with success
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 08:55 [#00687965]
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btw: spacecadet, welcome to our xltronic football forum, I hope we will meet you here often :)
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2003-05-07 09:00 [#00687973]
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i get the feeling that northern italians look down on rome and the south as being second-class . i think napoli gave the north of italy its feelings when they saluted maradona in the semi-final of 1990.
it doesn't surprise me that nobody in the north supports the rome clubs.
Nottingham forest ?
well, they are a regional team, which gets around 22,000 for home games. until Brian Clough managed them in the late 70's they had only been a second and third division club. since Clough left, they have not achieved anything. Really, they are not a big club. Not in the top fifteen anyway.
i would say something like this 1 man u 2 liverpool 3 arsenal 4 newcastle 5 leeds 6 everton 7 man city 8 chelsea 9 tottenham (spurs) 10 aston villa
there are other big clubs ; sunderland, middlesbrough., west ham, leicester, southampton, blackburn ... who get 30,000 every week but these sides don't win as many big trophies..
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 09:11 [#00687981]
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i forgot aston villa... it was a great team too.
and what about blackburn and west ham?
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-07 09:12 [#00687982]
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please, write here best 5 chart between all england team who won more.
btw: which is your fav team? i don't remember...
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 10:24 [#00688074]
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in spain people like milan more than inter I think...
I am not sure...
I prefer milan ac too (I remember those days with van basten, varesi, rickhard, gullit, donadoni, maldini, ancelloti...
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 10:26 [#00688080]
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in spain the chart is:
Real Madrid Barcelona Atletico de Madrid Athletic de Bilbao Valencia Betis Deportivo (only in last years)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 10:33 [#00688087]
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real 1st-this doesnt surprise me :)
but i would imagine deportivo to be higher...
(i have no idea who is the most suported team in our league, but then again who cares)
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 10:39 [#00688097]
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of course deportivo has a great support nowadays... maybe he could even be third or 4th in that chart... but teams like betis have a higher support through history...deportivo was in third division 11 years ago and has been there most of the time
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 10:41 [#00688102]
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aha,ok...that makes more sence to me
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 15:14 [#00688442]
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0-0
totally dissapointing
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 15:41 [#00688460]
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real madrid is spoiling us with their attractive football :)
i have no idea why inter is playing in this manner lately...i mean why do they need vieri for anyway, if all they do is deffend and wait for opponent team to do a mistake...they were very lucky to come this far (especially in games with valencia), sometimes its working, but they will have to score if they want to pass
(im still supporting inter though, for the old times and because i like recoba a lot hehe)
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Spacecadet
on 2003-05-07 15:59 [#00688483]
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in england i follow liverpool because of my uncle, in spain i follow barca since i was a kid cos i was like 6 and i liked the kit :)
and in italy i dont really follow one team but i followed lazio when gascoine was there
also has anyone seen the 13 year old freddy adu? he's amazing, one to watch for the future (more so than rooney)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-07 16:03 [#00688488]
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isnt there an older addu playing in one of the bigger clubs? (perhaps freddys father hehe)
yeah, barcelona was always fancy :)
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 16:03 [#00688490]
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visca barça!
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Spacecadet
on 2003-05-07 16:05 [#00688493]
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i dunno, but he's 13 year old ghanan/american, seen vid clips of his goals for america u17 and he's running circles round players 4 years older than him (he looks tiny compared to them)
he's amazing on champ man 4 too ;)
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Spacecadet
on 2003-05-07 16:06 [#00688494]
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haha! i dont really support them now, i was only 6 years old and i had the kit :)
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nacmat
on 2003-05-07 16:08 [#00688495]
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Spacecadet
on 2003-05-07 16:09 [#00688498]
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i like saviola and riquelme tho, there gonna be class
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WooferAttack
from Milano (Italy) on 2003-05-08 00:18 [#00688926]
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yeah, disappointing 0-0, with few emotions. we'll see the return match next week.
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nacmat
on 2003-05-08 03:42 [#00689050]
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I suppose this semis is very important for milan as a city... its two teams among the best 4... thats pretty important.
they should take it as a party, and play a happier football
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2003-05-11 06:27 [#00693978]
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woofer must be happy hehe
juve won the italian serie a!
btw, that second goal by di vaio was pretty excellent :)
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