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BoxBob-K23
from Finland on 2008-07-15 12:00 [#02222166]
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I'm about to start MGS3: Subsistence, the only game in the series I haven't finished. The new camera is supposed to make it so much better, so I expect to enjoy it quite a bit.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-16 03:30 [#02222275]
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is it worth buying a ps3 for this game?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2008-07-16 03:38 [#02222277]
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Never upgrade your computer or buy a game system for one game.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-07-16 04:58 [#02222283]
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well thats exactly what i did and despite it being a WONDERFUL game, i don't think it's worth buying a console just for a single game unless you have lots of expendable cash.
also to add, i bought a hdtv yesterday and i'm replaying it again to see it unfold how it should have the first time i played it. sexy stuff.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-07-16 11:14 [#02222341]
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Yes, and my name is in the topic title so it's true, so there
Besides, at TGS they're going to announce Metal Gear Solid 5, Ninja Raiden, Sunny's Cooking S-s-simulator, Portable Ops 3 and a remake encompassing the events of MG 1 and 2 on the MSX.
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X-tomatic
from ze war room on 2008-07-16 11:59 [#02222348]
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The best reviewer in the world has unleashed his verdict on this tremendously overhyped game which keeps causing solid snakes to appear in the pants of the fanboys. review
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OK
on 2008-07-16 12:52 [#02222357]
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i agree with it.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-16 13:49 [#02222379]
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how is Resident Evil 5 looking?
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yoyoyoyo
from Sweden on 2008-07-16 13:51 [#02222380]
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amazing graphics
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-07-16 14:15 [#02222387]
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A lot like RE4, but better. Which is fine by me... I just want this game to be to RE4 what RE2 was to RE1... same formula, beefed up and tweaked to perfection. It also retains the outrageously bad acting and script.
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Dael
from the low end (Australia) on 2008-07-16 20:08 [#02222460]
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I finally got myself a PS3 on the release day of MGS4. It finally tipped me over the fence to get a PS3, and whilst I still feel shafted not getting the option for an 80gig DUAL SHOCK controller bundle (it didn't get a local release over here - grrr), I can't help but be impressed with Kojima's efforts.
I have only just completed my first run through the game on SOLID NORMAL. I couldn't keep up with alot of the storyline details in the earlier series, but I still got a good sense of closure in the end.
Highlights for me *The graphics (and I'm playing it on a CRT!) Some amazing environments to explore *Shadow Moses revisited, (ahh the memories) *A new take on the snake engine, with more playthings *I don't know if it's just my dirty mind, but a lot of the time I got the feeling that kojima's cinematic eye is in his pants!
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-07-17 09:18 [#02222551]
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Gotta love the patented perverted Kojima humor
BTW, Metal Gear Online update today, a bunch of new maps and shit and you get to play as Meryl and Johnny. So far MGO has been pretty disappointing for me, mainly because the map selection is weaker than the original and had no natural settings, but it's getting better.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 15:50 [#02222793]
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just watched a new trailer for it, looks like a ps4 game!
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yoyoyoyo
from Sweden on 2008-07-18 16:58 [#02222822]
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got a link to the trailer pantalaimon ?
i have seen a hd trailer that you can download to your PS3.
i got MGS4 today, i will start playing it tommorow :)
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2008-07-18 17:42 [#02222861]
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its just an E3 2008 gameplay trailer on youtube.
I might get a ps3 this weekend, I want to play MGS4, Resident Evil 5 and fingers crossed, Final Fantasy XIII if its better than the last 3 or 4 Final Fantasy games.
Just sold my Nintendo Wii, what a disappointment that was.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2008-07-20 22:08 [#02223354]
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what's your name on mgo? i'm gonna start playing it more. i'm a n00b to online gaming in general so the whole thing is a bit intimidating.
i just finished a no kill, no alert (normal difficulty) run today. obviously i saved and it was a good amount of trial and error. got the bandanna and stealth so i can have a ton of fun with that. i wish i had remembered to get the 2nd beauty's statue, so i could have the solar gun, whatever that is.
playing through the game again and seeing even more quirks and things of the gameplay i'd have to give it a 8.5. i feel bad for bringing a game down for the storyline, but it is huge part of the game, and well it's pretty bad.
i love kojima, but i don't think he understands the effectiveness of a twist. A TWIST, not a twist for every aspect of the story. not to mention he took away a lot of the legend from a certain important character and put it on a character who just isn't as cool and legendary.
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yoyoyoyo
from Sweden on 2008-07-21 04:02 [#02223370]
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drebin and the ape is the best, its a good game.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-07-21 10:23 [#02223406]
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revolverjgw. The MGO experience has been... awkward. It's a great game but Konami's infrastructure is beyond pathetic. I have a feeling this game is going to suffer the same premature death its predecessor did because it is being totally mismanaged. Sony has their own solid online system and Konami has ignored it.
Look into trying Warhawk, it's the best online game on the PS3.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-08-19 04:11 [#02230235]
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Je suis finished it!
God damn!
By far the best game to come out in a while, at least from the other recent games I've played.
Played through the entire thing in 5.1, and the sound design does indeed work quite well. You can hear the enemies walking around and talking to each other, hear where they are. I wish I had a dual shock, though, to see how it would serve as a radar.
The camo suit kind of ruined the sneaking aspect of it for me, but then again, the long-standing tranquillizer gun has been doing so for a while anyway (although it's great to have it for when you get spotted, and want to keep your no-kills record straight (though parts of the game made it impossible for me not to kill anyone, at least on first playthrough. Most notably the scene where Drebin drives his tank through gecko-infested areas and you have to shoot them while fending off the zombie soldiers. Some of the soldiers were just in the wrong place). Next playthrough, I'll try manual style camo. Registering all the patterns, etc, seems like a fun artificial gameplay extension anyway.
Though there are many great small details in it, I can't help but feel that many aspects of the game are missing have just gone missing. Most notably, all the extra things to keep alert about from MGS3 (food, injuries, the possibility of blowing up supply sheds, and giving soldiers bad food to make them vomit, etc) are missing for no good reason.
When it comes to the story, it's a good one. It still doesn't beat MGS or MGS3, but with the game being what it is - a large trip down memory lane - it can't be expected to best what it's referencing. Playing Shadow Moses again was a definite high, and the timely reintroduction of the original game music certainly stirred up nostalgic emotions.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2008-08-19 04:21 [#02230237]
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That most of the story is told via lengthy cutscenes didn't bother me much, but then I've always thought games shouldn't compromise story-telling for instant gamer gratification. The only problem I had was with the fact that some of the game segments were too small, giving the game a sort of rail shooter element (most notably in Prague or whatever; the entire segment was too short, including cutscenes. Sure, it wouldn't suit MGS to send Snake out on a series of go-fetch "intelligence" missions within the city, but finding the resistance members was too easy (I didn't really use any of the items, I just walked forwards, and suddenly I found one). That using the tranquillizer gun was the only way to go forward (at least that's how it seemed on the first playthrough) also kind of ruined the sneaking/spy gameplay). The possibility of exploring more of Shadow Moses would also have been welcome.
The constant Kojima humour and perversion also helped keep the game floating way better than if it had taken itself seriously all the way through. That Snake feels less stress when sitting in the box, or that Akiba was really a hunky loverboy were just some of the continuously amusing elements of the game.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-08-19 04:26 [#02230238]
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I enjoyed it the first play through. Haven't touched it since.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-08-19 04:44 [#02230243]
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yeah, it's the same as all mgs games. brilliant the first time you play it, but the incentive to go through it all again isn't that great.
still, an amazing experience while it lasts.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-08-19 05:30 [#02230246]
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Completely disagree, if anything I didn't even really play the game correctly until my 2nd playthrough. My first was messing around on normal with the toys, AI and tricks, my second time was trying to do everything perfectly, no alerts and no kills. Totally different, much better experience. Not to mention there's 101 ways to approach every situation.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2008-08-19 05:37 [#02230247]
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''The only problem I had was with the fact that some of the game segments were too small''
Act 5 was a bitter disappointment for me. I come up to that huge, mysterious place so psyched to explore it, and it's like 3 linear rooms. Just a weaksauce way to cap the gameplay/adventure.
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-08-19 06:17 [#02230253]
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I think it was the ending that pissed me off enough that I didn't want to play it again.
I almost enjoyed Logan's Shadow on the PSP as much as I enjoyed MGS4 which shouldn't be the case.
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OK
on 2008-08-19 14:23 [#02230366]
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another problem with this game is that you have to work to make it fun. you can complete it very easily just by running from point A to point B. same thing applies to MGS3 but not to 1 and 2. sneaking isn't really needed anymore only if you want to play it that way.
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Brisk
from selling smack at the orphanage on 2008-08-19 16:35 [#02230408]
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Yeah, but thats just the completist attitude a lot of gamers have. I never got into the whole "complete a game 100% getting everything" mentality personally. Achievement and trophy whoring does nothing for me, because I know my time is better spent doing something else.
Saying that, I will give a game my undivided attention when i'm playing it, but the majority of single player games I will complete only once. The big exception was FF7 about 10 years ago, when I actually knocked up double the playtime on the second run, mainly because there are a million and one things you can miss in that game heh.
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2008-08-19 16:55 [#02230413]
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I just started this last night. on act 3 now. is this a great game? hell yes. is it better than MGS2? no metal gear is better than 2.
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AphexAcid
from Sweden on 2008-08-19 17:32 [#02230419]
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SPOILER - SPOILER - SPOILER - SPOILER - SPOILER - SPOILER - I was quite disappointed with the game, story-wise. The series had build up some great momentum from MGS2, with the whole AI-deal (GW), the "postmodern" discussion at the end, and the Wiseman's Commitee (especially considering they were all dead). I wasn't too fond of some of the conclusions in MGS3 either, and the concept of carrying an emotion into battle, all seems a little silly. What I find basically ruined it, is how everything is reduced into a family affair. Why o why couldn't mr Kojima just stick with the premises from MGS2. Snake is not "supposed" to be old, no matter how symbolical it may be, and Raiden's not "supposed" to be a cyborg-ninja either.
The first MGS to the PSX was a brilliant spy thriller with some "shamanistic" influences ("Snakes don't belong in Alaska", and all that talk), MGS2 managed to pull it off, even though it got bit too X-men at the end. MGS3 had a great atmosphere, and returned, in a sense, to its roots with its spy/James Bond flirts. But I'm not so sure about MGS4. Ah, well...
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Gwely Mernans
from 23rd century entertainment (Canada) on 2008-08-19 23:51 [#02230474]
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SPOILER
I liked the idea of the patriots being this metaphysical conglomeration of collective war/political memetics, given some form of sentience as an ethereal alien identity which resides in the white house. Now THAT was interesting. And with MGS4, it's just some fucking computer AI torn between (as Aphex Acid put-) 'family affairs'.
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