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okay, this is very fundamental but I feel it's important. do you guys like more melodic or percussive, and in what percentage/ratio? I melodic alot, perhaps even more, but since it's rarely complex or good enough to justify itself in techno I tend to like it only when it's done well. IDM is often good about this. overall, I'd say percussive:melodic = 65:35 .. in general, of course. |
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how about non-melodic and non-percussive..? |
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like ambient? :) that's not in question, that can be effective as well.. but that's another subject altogether. |
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they arent the only 2 factors..what about vocals? i usually prefer percussive, if ur using the term as i think you are. |
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wtf just happened? for a moment there, the mb was asking me to input a "ByPassword" in some popup box... |
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for me, melodic is more girl, percussive is more boy. so idm is gaymusic gg |
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bile: same here...! |
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why not percussive melody? melodic instruments that can be percussive. |
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same here.. I had a nice post too. basically it said that this question was deliberatly open ended for opinions.. i.e. yeah, there are more elements than these two, but they're not the issue |
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PERCUSHION TO THE MAX..Banf the meloda... |
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id say more percussive... and sounds, over melodic. it could get tricky in defining what is actually melodic... i personally think there isnt much melody in IDM at all, save a few. and the ones that there are, take the back seat. And again, when I say melody... we might not have the same idea of what a melody is. But, of course both are nessasary. |
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don't know. i'm listening to merzbow right now, so it's ok with 100% percussive, but i love 100% melodic too (like SAWII)... i just don't like too 'happy' and cartoonish melodies (like goon gumpas). maybe i'm 69% percussive 31% melodic, something like that. |
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same here.... a bypass passw. ? |
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the answer starts by explaining or define what IDM is... |
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on songs which rely on the melody i'd say 100:0. on songs which rely on percussion i'd say 0:100. on songs which rely on boths i'd say 50:50. if the song relys on both but more on lelody i'd say between 50:50 and 100:00. without going on, i think i've made my point. |
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when I'm talking about non-melodic and non-percussive, I do NOT mean ambient.. I mean the stranger electronic music.. say, Ligeti.. |
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*applauses earthleakage* |
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qrter: well as far as the avant-avant-garde stuff goes, I guess this question doesn't apply. using these terms assumes the music has some trace of one or the other. earthleakage: excellent observation .. I suppose the question lies here.. when one hypothetically doesn't rely on the other, which do you prefer? that barely makes sense, sorry.. |
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i prefer melody |
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la la la la la! |
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A good drum-loop usually makes me a sucker for a track. Probably why I'm so into breakbeats and thang. However, if the melody is good, I can usually overlook the bad points. Unless someone has some really bad vocals over it. |
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Like Zero 7. |
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yeah your question seems to be, do you prefer melodic tracks or more percussive tracks.. |
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for me melody has always been the essense of music, vital almost. |
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nah. |
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yah |
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i guess in retrospect, percussive is more for me. if i hear an ok song with a sweet ass drum groove or the like, ill probably like it more then a song with a great melody, and a suck drums. but not always mind you. i think i like rhytem so much, because its so fundamental to music. more so then pitches. all the ethnic music is heavily percussive and rythemic. My teacher showed us a great point. He played the melody to bethoveens 9th, in free meter/time. no rythem. he asked us what it was, and no one knew. as soon as he put it into rythem, we all knew. |
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*the point was, without rythem, pitch is nothing but pitch |
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it differs per track, so i'm going to pin myself down with a fixed ratio. |
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anyone who says he (and no female would ever say this) doesn't care for melody is a liar. |
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john cage? |
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you'll always have a rhythm if you use more than one (static) tone:) and even then, you can say there's a rhythm cause a tone has a frequency...;) (this is stretching it very far, I know) |
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mmm not nessasarilly. and yes, thats a big stretch :) |
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wow, this is getting more philosophical than I predicted.. I think usually songs without *any* trace of melody are quite dull.. however even atmospheric noise or FX can hold hidden melodics that aren't so explicit. Monolake for example is not dull but much of it has no 'melody' per-se .. As for this argument, I am not sure if you can have melody without rhythm and vice versa or not.. if it's beyond recognition that does it matter..? :) |
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Percussive is an indication of the shape of the sound. Melody is the horizontal aspect of the sequence. It's like saying: "Drums vs Rhythm" |
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melodic or percussive, the important thing is how much it gets your ass shaked and your brain twisted ;) |
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Take Richard Devine. A lot of his stuff sounds unmelodic and percussive. And my favorite tracks by him, like Patelle, always have a hint of melody to latch onto, 'cause I dunno, your ears need a break I guess. On the other hand I can only take so much floaty beatless melody too. My least favorite music is the 50:50 melody/rhythm stuff like Plaid. It's just.... eh. I prefer a high ratio, like 80/20 or 90/10. It can be either way too--extremely melodic or extremely percussive. I'm really diggin the new Snares but I admit it'd be hard to take without the floaty drifting melody. |
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I would agree with you there.. I also like high ratios. my original 65:35 wasn't quite as high as you like.. but the sentiment is the same. laserbeak: I see your point as well.. but it's helpful to most people to differentiate them for discussion.. even though technically you can't have one without the other, or whatever. |
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i think context is key. for example, i agree that plaid make an effort to perfectly balance rhythm and melody, but they do it in a way that is usually interesting/enjoyable. if the performer is talented then a 50/50 split can be just fine. everything has its place.. |
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i hope i'll never start analyzing music this way :) |
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percussion |
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it's pretty anal and retarded, definitely kills the joy of listening.. i think there's a fine line between taking a critical, intelligent, respectful look at music and just informally picking it apart without really being specific about it (i frequently do both) |
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Shit, picking it apart is one of the joys of listening. Following the intricate whorls of a Glenn Gould interpretation of Bach makes my brain wet with lust. And naturally you don't do it all the time, just like you don't spend all day masturbating, or doing math problems, or eating chili peppers. So of course that is why sometimes you crank up the jams and turn off the mind and say i like my bum |
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whatever makes someone happy... |
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You're a music student, right? Does that kill it for you sometimes, make it feel more like work? I know when I set myself up a practice schedule and try to spend more time tickling the ivories (or the polystyrenes heh hehe) I avoid it like the plague. Feels like homework, yech. |
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i love the glen gould bach stuff, but i could never sit think about it, or pick apart the math behind it. if i were to impose my rational mind on it i would compromise the feeling, and that stuff is not to be compromised! |
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No, I'm not saying I sit there and plot the thing on an x/y axis or think about the intervals, but doesn't it stimulate the mind to hear the counterpoint weaving around itself then against itself etc etc? Did you ever see "32 short films about Glenn Gould"? One of them is just an animation of globes joining, separating and dancing around. It suited the music perfectly, like something Douglas Hofstadter would hallucinate.... |
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what happens when the percussion becomes part of the melody, like on Vordhosbn and Cockverlo? |
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Then we must be brave. |
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ah, yeah, i see what you're saying. i thought we were talking about mentally/verbally disecting music. the gould stuff that i've heard is just nuts, like i'm listening to plans for architecture of some structure far more wondrous than has yet been constructed. i've not seen "32 short films..." but i would like to. hofstadter is an interesting fellow... you're talking author, right? |
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