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         |  chaosmachine
             from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-11-16 20:49 [#02003460] Points: 2330 Status: Lurker
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 | ucla student forgot to bring his id to the library, so the cops taze him. after immobilizing and handcuffing him, they
 taze him another 4 times.
 
 and it's all on video.
 
 btw, this happened yesterday.
 
 here's a newspaper article.
 
 
 
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         |  i_x_ten
             from arsemuncher on 2006-11-16 21:02 [#02003461] Points: 10031 Status: Regular
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 | See shit like this should be a turning point. People should wake up and realise that civil liberties will one day cease
 to exist but in name only. But they wont. What the fuck
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         |  Mr Brazil
             from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-11-16 21:35 [#02003467] Points: 1970 Status: Lurker
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 | "Here's your Partiot Act!" "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" 
 HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
 Stupid melodramatic college children.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:09 [#02003481] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Um. I know it looks bad, but you don't know what that guy may have done before the video was shot, or even if he had a
 warrant and a flight risk attached to his name.
 
 Admittedly, a small portion of the police will abuse their
 power and give a bad name to the rest of police officers,
 but its wrong to assume either way what happened until all
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         |  unabomber
             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 00:11 [#02003482] Points: 3756 Status: Regular
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:20 [#02003484] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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 | YEAH THE SAME THING WOULD'VE HAPPENED IN EUROPE, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING PARTICULAR TO AMERICA
 
 
 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:22 [#02003485] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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 | seriously though, i don't know which is worse - the conduct of the police or that of the students. at one point there's
 at least 60 students standing, just gawking like the dumb
 yank fucks they are, thinking that they're powerless.
 
 had that happened here, in my college anyway, i guarantee
 you after the second tazer shock those cunts would've been
 beaten within inches of their lives by the onlookers.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:25 [#02003487] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Disestablishmentarialism is a tool of consumerism. 
 
 
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:29 [#02003488] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003487
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 | yeah, and what does that have to do with anything? 
 and it's disestablishmentarianism.. fucking hell,
 congratulations, you can't even spell the most famous word
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         |  unabomber
             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 00:29 [#02003489] Points: 3756 Status: Regular | Followup to redrum: #02003485
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 | Same here, students usually don't let a fella get beaten in front of their face.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:31 [#02003490] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #02003488
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 | No need to be a douchebag. I said what I said because it needed saying. I spelt it poorly because I am dyslexic.
 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 00:33 [#02003491] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker
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 | electrical shock is used by police forces across the united states;
 
 in this video you can see a group of police officers using
 electricity to torture and kill a man whose family called
 for an ambulance as he had a seizure; yet the police showed
 up first: google video link
 
 the man was tied down and restrained and had no way of
 getting up but they just kept shocking him until he died.
 it's evil, wicked, and absolutely intolerable
 
 electrical shock is TORTURE!
 
 
 
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             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:34 [#02003492] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | What I mean is, don't get so caught up in your programed reaction so that you stop thinking, or lose objectivity.
 Snap judgements and poor quality reactions are why the world
 is on the brink of annihilation. Just because you aren't
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:36 [#02003494] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Personally, I feel that everyone deserves a right to have their side heard or seen before I get too critical. Doesn't
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:38 [#02003495] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003490
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 | right well, i never would've guessed since your discourse is usually of a very high standard. also, i'm particularly
 riled up right now.
 
 as for your other post - "don't get so caught up in your
 programmed reaction".. ?
 
 You're telling me I should discard all humanity? All empathy
 for other people? Maybe you should've read the newspaper
 article first, as i did, as it outlines the events
 surrounding the incident that was caught on camera, and
 proves there was no need for such action or aggression on
 the part of the police.
 
 
 
 
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             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:42 [#02003499] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #02003495
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 | No, not discarding humanity. I think people should definately allow themselves to feel, but I think its bad
 tact to react out of your emotions, at least until its been
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:45 [#02003500] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003499
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 | hence reading the fucking article first. 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 00:47 [#02003501] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker
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 | police brutality is widely practiced in this fucked up country - the injustices outweigh the justices, check out
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:49 [#02003503] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #02003500
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 | I did read the article. It still didn't seem to have anything from the officers side of the story. The fact that
 it quoted words like fuck and its overall tone kind of
 indicated to me that the article might have already made up
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:54 [#02003505] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003503
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 | Yes, it didn't have anything from the officers' side of the story, since they wouldn't be so good as to provide such
 material. they're busy trying to figure out how to spin
 this.
 
 the fact that a word like fuck is quoted in the article is
 certainly an indicator of how unprofessional and
 unscrupulous the author is. he or she should be taken out,
 beaten with a first-edition copy of Joyce's Ulysses for
 approximately one hour as a fair and just reprimand.
 
 The ban on Ulysses - that fucking indecipherable, anal,
 profane filth - should then be re-enacted.
 
 
 
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         |  unabomber
             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 00:57 [#02003506] Points: 3756 Status: Regular
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 | I'd like to hear what this fucker has to say. 
 
 
 
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             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 01:02 [#02003507] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to unabomber: #02003506
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 | jesus fucking christ 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 01:04 [#02003508] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker | Followup to unabomber: #02003506
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 | holy fuck, that boils me up 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 01:06 [#02003509] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Now that everyone is probly worked up about all that, I think it would be appropriate for all to watch
 this episode of aqua teen hunger force.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 01:07 [#02003511] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to redrum: #02003505
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 | Don't put words in my mouth. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I kind of empathize with the police more knowing
 that a lot of theives have kill people who try to stop them
 from stealing a bottle of pop.
 
 
 
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         |  unabomber
             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 01:08 [#02003512] Points: 3756 Status: Regular
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 | It's worldwide. 
 Some in this clip are enough for me to want to pointblank
 shoot them in the face. And beeing there with a gun, no
 doubt I would have pulled the trigger. They have to face the
 blowback.
 
 
 
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         |  cygnus
             from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 01:15 [#02003515] Points: 11923 Status: Lurker | Followup to unabomber: #02003512
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 | yeah im the same. i really shouldnt be alllowed to watch these kinds of videos. i could cause world war 3
 
 
 
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             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 01:17 [#02003518] Points: 3756 Status: Regular
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         |  Raz0rBlade_uk
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 | if i was there i would have smashed a fucking keyboard across the coppers head and legged it
 
 
 
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             from Stockport (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-17 01:31 [#02003522] Points: 145 Status: Lurker
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 | redrum said: 
 "and it's disestablishmentarianism.. fucking hell,
 congratulations, you can't even spell the most famous word
 in the english language."
 
 Now that's bullshit, everyone Knows the most famous word is
 Stoke, with City just after it.
 
 'Cunt' is the 3rd most famous/popular.
 
 
 
 
 
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         |  Raz0rBlade_uk
             on 2006-11-17 01:34 [#02003523] Points: 12540 Status: Addict | Show recordbag
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 | i'm in the mood for fightin! 
 
 
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         |  My_Aphex_Twin
             from Stockport (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-17 01:40 [#02003525] Points: 145 Status: Lurker
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 | Altern 8 are from the next town to me, don't you know. 
 I'll fight yer.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 02:47 [#02003573] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | People need to learn a different way of responding to things that they don't like than anger. Anger is going to drive
 people to kill a lot more often than reason. But if you
 decide that reason is not for you, and you would rather
 drive into things without thinking about it, I guess thats
 your choice. But as far as I am concerned it doesn't make
 you any better than the people who decided it would be best
 to invade iraq, or drop the bombs on hiroshima, or anything
 else. Thinking like that is easy, and its poison, and its
 going to kill everybody one of these days.
 
 Read what I am saying because it is true. People need to
 learn to shift their perceptions sometime down the line. I
 am not saying let bad people get away with whatever they
 choose to try to get away with, cops or criminals or
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         |  unabomber
             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 02:49 [#02003575] Points: 3756 Status: Regular
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         |  Bill Burroughs
             from Colombia on 2006-11-17 03:13 [#02003585] Points: 768 Status: Lurker
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 | THX1138, 
 1984,
 
 Farenheit 451...
 
 
 
 
 
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 03:15 [#02003587] Points: 12878 Status: Addict
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 | here's the cops' response 
 
 
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         |  Raz0rBlade_uk
             on 2006-11-17 03:18 [#02003589] Points: 12540 Status: Addict | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003573 | Show recordbag
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 | that feeling of anger isn't wrong. it's the feeling of injustice,
 
 and in some cases, the only way to deal with it is by
 playing the enemy at their own game. the police are normal
 people. just like you and me. but when they wear that
 uniform, they become something else entirely. they become
 consumed by feelings of power and authority. they are so
 fucking deluded, so fucking far gone, that nothing can be
 done for them.
 
 sometimes war is necessary for change. it's a part of being
 human. we're not half as civilized as you would like to
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             from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 03:18 [#02003590] Points: 3756 Status: Regular | Followup to redrum: #02003587
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 | What a surprise, he's colled Mostafa... 
 
 
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         |  stilaktive
             from a place on 2006-11-17 03:44 [#02003598] Points: 3166 Status: Lurker
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 | just run away. and dont be naughty. and never go near a big crowd.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 03:46 [#02003599] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to Raz0rBlade_uk: #02003589
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 | No they don't. Some of them do. But its like saying everybody who smokes pot becomes a heroin addict. Pot
 doesn't cause people to become junkies, it just so happens
 that some people become junkies after they have smoked pot.
 Likewise, not all police are assholes. It just so happens
 that some people become police because it gives them some
 authority to hold over people. But to generalize upon a
 person because of their job is not better than a lot of
 other kinds of biggotry.
 
 And, no. Using someones tools against them isn't justified.
 Its like trying to justify genocide with genocide. By rising
 with anger to something that extreme, it makes you come
 across as extreme, invalidating what you may be saying to a
 lot of the people that you need to reach in order to make
 change.
 
 I don't agree with what the police in that video did, but I
 also don't agree with people openly going around and saying
 that those people should be shot. However, I also think that
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         |  Raz0rBlade_uk
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 | i dare you to put on a police uniform, walk around town, and tell me that you didn't feel powerful
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 03:58 [#02003607] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | What I do know is this. A lot of the people who become police officers do sincerely want to help their community.
 Unfortunately, instead of helping their community, they end
 up watching drug dealers who are doing no good for anybody
 but themselves, walk out of jail after one day with mearly a
 slap on the wrist and a promise to appear before a judge
 three years later who will most likely shake their finger at
 them and tell them to leave without any penalty. These are
 the same people that will cut the hamstring of junkies who
 owe them ammounts as little as ten dollars when they don't
 pay.
 
 After a while, they get a bit jaded, and lash out. Not all
 of them do, but some, and those officers need to be dealt
 with on appropriate terms when the time arrives. But that
 involves members of the public going about intelligent means
 with which to inform the proper channels about what
 happened.
 
 Probly the best thing that could have happened there was
 someone calmly asking the officer for their badge number,
 which is what happened. Its illegal for an officer to not
 disclose that info, so they themself could be charged. All
 police work leaves a paper trail for that very reason, so
 the officers involved can be identified by reports of what
 incidents occur.
 
 Likewise:
 
 I know that a lot of people become paramedics because they
 want to help their community and make sure that people are
 given the proper medical treatment they need. However, a lot
 of their calls end up responding to poor people in ghettos
 who have overdosed, or have just been assaulted over drugs,
 or many other similar things. After a while of trying to
 revive the same person day after day who chronically
 overdoses but never seems to die, it can kind of wear on
 you.
 
 Personally, I think a lot of the problems in our society
 could be spared if instead of making hard drugs illegal,
 the government provided them to junkies. It would not cost
 more than the legal or medical implications of the illegal
 drug trade. It would end up paying for itself.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:10 [#02003612] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | Once again, I suck myself into talking politics here. I shut up :)
 
 
 
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         |  Netlon Sentinel
             from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-17 04:11 [#02003613] Points: 4736 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003607
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 | I don't see how being worn out by junkie/dealer relationships applies to what those officers did in that
 University building or what that riot police officer did to
 that woman.
 
 I agree that these are just incidents though, I still
 believe most police officers have their feelings of superior
 power in check. But I do think that there are many rotten
 apples among them and I cannot understand how they can apply
 to become a cop, pass the screening and be handed a badge
 and gun. Or is there no screening?
 
 I wonder what happened to the officers that killed off that
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         |  Anus_Presley
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 | i think they should taze redrum each time he posts a comment.
 
 
 
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:30 [#02003618] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to Netlon Sentinel: #02003613
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 | Its one of the many different parts of the problem, but its one of the ones that I see the most, so I can talk about it
 with more understanding from both sides. Part of the reason
 the smaller courts are so backlogged is because of thousands
 upon thousands upon thousands of $5 cases where the people
 who were arrested were stealing to pay for crack or chrystal
 meth. The cops get jaded because any work they do never ends
 up getting thrown out of court, because the judges are too
 overworked to give each case the thought that it should
 require.
 
 Its not just the drug trade, but its a larger part of the
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         |  Taxidermist
             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:31 [#02003619] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker | Followup to Taxidermist: #02003618
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 | And by that I mean:The cops get jaded because any work they do ends up getting thrown out of court
 
 
 
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             from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:32 [#02003620] Points: 9958 Status: Lurker
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 | More specifically, the important cases get overlooked because of the backlog of these unimportant $5 arrests.
 
 
 
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         |  giginger
             from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-17 04:34 [#02003622] Points: 26335 Status: Regular | Show recordbag
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 | I bet no fucker refuses to produce their library card now though. If the police report is to be believed that is. Why
 would someone repeatedly refuse to show a fucking library
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         |  redrum
             from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 04:35 [#02003623] Points: 12878 Status: Addict | Followup to Anus_Presley: #02003617
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 | i think you should get a fucking move on and walk out in front of a bus.
 
 you're all talk and no fucking action.
 
 
 
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