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chaosmachine
from Ottawa (Canada) on 2006-11-16 20:49 [#02003460]
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ucla student forgot to bring his id to the library, so the cops taze him. after immobilizing and handcuffing him, they taze him another 4 times.
and it's all on video.
btw, this happened yesterday.
here's a newspaper article.
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i_x_ten
from arsemuncher on 2006-11-16 21:02 [#02003461]
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See shit like this should be a turning point. People should wake up and realise that civil liberties will one day cease to exist but in name only. But they wont. What the fuck happened.
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Mr Brazil
from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2006-11-16 21:35 [#02003467]
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"Here's your Partiot Act!" "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
HAhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Stupid melodramatic college children.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:09 [#02003481]
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Um. I know it looks bad, but you don't know what that guy may have done before the video was shot, or even if he had a warrant and a flight risk attached to his name.
Admittedly, a small portion of the police will abuse their power and give a bad name to the rest of police officers, but its wrong to assume either way what happened until all the facts are in order.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 00:11 [#02003482]
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:20 [#02003484]
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YEAH THE SAME THING WOULD'VE HAPPENED IN EUROPE, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING PARTICULAR TO AMERICA
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:22 [#02003485]
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seriously though, i don't know which is worse - the conduct of the police or that of the students. at one point there's at least 60 students standing, just gawking like the dumb yank fucks they are, thinking that they're powerless.
had that happened here, in my college anyway, i guarantee you after the second tazer shock those cunts would've been beaten within inches of their lives by the onlookers.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:25 [#02003487]
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Disestablishmentarialism is a tool of consumerism.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:29 [#02003488]
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yeah, and what does that have to do with anything?
and it's disestablishmentarianism.. fucking hell, congratulations, you can't even spell the most famous word in the english language.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 00:29 [#02003489]
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Same here, students usually don't let a fella get beaten in front of their face.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:31 [#02003490]
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No need to be a douchebag. I said what I said because it needed saying. I spelt it poorly because I am dyslexic.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 00:33 [#02003491]
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electrical shock is used by police forces across the united states;
in this video you can see a group of police officers using electricity to torture and kill a man whose family called for an ambulance as he had a seizure; yet the police showed up first: google video link
the man was tied down and restrained and had no way of getting up but they just kept shocking him until he died. it's evil, wicked, and absolutely intolerable
electrical shock is TORTURE!
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:34 [#02003492]
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What I mean is, don't get so caught up in your programed reaction so that you stop thinking, or lose objectivity. Snap judgements and poor quality reactions are why the world is on the brink of annihilation. Just because you aren't conservative doesn't mean you aren't a part of the problem.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:36 [#02003494]
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Personally, I feel that everyone deserves a right to have their side heard or seen before I get too critical. Doesn't matter if they are criminal or police.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:38 [#02003495]
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right well, i never would've guessed since your discourse is usually of a very high standard. also, i'm particularly riled up right now.
as for your other post - "don't get so caught up in your programmed reaction".. ?
You're telling me I should discard all humanity? All empathy for other people? Maybe you should've read the newspaper article first, as i did, as it outlines the events surrounding the incident that was caught on camera, and proves there was no need for such action or aggression on the part of the police.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:42 [#02003499]
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No, not discarding humanity. I think people should definately allow themselves to feel, but I think its bad tact to react out of your emotions, at least until its been give a chance to go through the proper filters.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:45 [#02003500]
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hence reading the fucking article first.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 00:47 [#02003501]
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police brutality is widely practiced in this fucked up country - the injustices outweigh the justices, check out this vid too
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 00:49 [#02003503]
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I did read the article. It still didn't seem to have anything from the officers side of the story. The fact that it quoted words like fuck and its overall tone kind of indicated to me that the article might have already made up its mind without hearing all sides of the story as well.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 00:54 [#02003505]
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Yes, it didn't have anything from the officers' side of the story, since they wouldn't be so good as to provide such material. they're busy trying to figure out how to spin this.
the fact that a word like fuck is quoted in the article is certainly an indicator of how unprofessional and unscrupulous the author is. he or she should be taken out, beaten with a first-edition copy of Joyce's Ulysses for approximately one hour as a fair and just reprimand.
The ban on Ulysses - that fucking indecipherable, anal, profane filth - should then be re-enacted.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 00:57 [#02003506]
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I'd like to hear what this fucker has to say.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 01:02 [#02003507]
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jesus fucking christ
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 01:04 [#02003508]
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holy fuck, that boils me up
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 01:06 [#02003509]
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Now that everyone is probly worked up about all that, I think it would be appropriate for all to watch this episode of aqua teen hunger force.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 01:07 [#02003511]
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Don't put words in my mouth. I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I kind of empathize with the police more knowing that a lot of theives have kill people who try to stop them from stealing a bottle of pop.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 01:08 [#02003512]
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It's worldwide.
Some in this clip are enough for me to want to pointblank shoot them in the face. And beeing there with a gun, no doubt I would have pulled the trigger. They have to face the blowback.
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cygnus
from nowhere and everyplace on 2006-11-17 01:15 [#02003515]
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yeah im the same. i really shouldnt be alllowed to watch these kinds of videos. i could cause world war 3
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 01:17 [#02003518]
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I'm with you!
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-11-17 01:28 [#02003521]
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if i was there i would have smashed a fucking keyboard across the coppers head and legged it
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My_Aphex_Twin
from Stockport (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-17 01:31 [#02003522]
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redrum said:
"and it's disestablishmentarianism.. fucking hell, congratulations, you can't even spell the most famous word in the english language."
Now that's bullshit, everyone Knows the most famous word is Stoke, with City just after it.
'Cunt' is the 3rd most famous/popular.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-11-17 01:34 [#02003523]
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i'm in the mood for fightin!
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My_Aphex_Twin
from Stockport (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-17 01:40 [#02003525]
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Altern 8 are from the next town to me, don't you know.
I'll fight yer.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 02:47 [#02003573]
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People need to learn a different way of responding to things that they don't like than anger. Anger is going to drive people to kill a lot more often than reason. But if you decide that reason is not for you, and you would rather drive into things without thinking about it, I guess thats your choice. But as far as I am concerned it doesn't make you any better than the people who decided it would be best to invade iraq, or drop the bombs on hiroshima, or anything else. Thinking like that is easy, and its poison, and its going to kill everybody one of these days.
Read what I am saying because it is true. People need to learn to shift their perceptions sometime down the line. I am not saying let bad people get away with whatever they choose to try to get away with, cops or criminals or whatever.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 02:49 [#02003575]
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your anger is a gift
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Bill Burroughs
from Colombia on 2006-11-17 03:13 [#02003585]
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THX1138, 1984, Farenheit 451...
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 03:15 [#02003587]
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here's the cops' response
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-11-17 03:18 [#02003589]
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that feeling of anger isn't wrong. it's the feeling of injustice,
and in some cases, the only way to deal with it is by playing the enemy at their own game. the police are normal people. just like you and me. but when they wear that uniform, they become something else entirely. they become consumed by feelings of power and authority. they are so fucking deluded, so fucking far gone, that nothing can be done for them.
sometimes war is necessary for change. it's a part of being human. we're not half as civilized as you would like to believe.
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unabomber
from Palma de Mallorca (Spain) on 2006-11-17 03:18 [#02003590]
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What a surprise, he's colled Mostafa...
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stilaktive
from a place on 2006-11-17 03:44 [#02003598]
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just run away. and dont be naughty. and never go near a big crowd.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 03:46 [#02003599]
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No they don't. Some of them do. But its like saying everybody who smokes pot becomes a heroin addict. Pot doesn't cause people to become junkies, it just so happens that some people become junkies after they have smoked pot. Likewise, not all police are assholes. It just so happens that some people become police because it gives them some authority to hold over people. But to generalize upon a person because of their job is not better than a lot of other kinds of biggotry.
And, no. Using someones tools against them isn't justified. Its like trying to justify genocide with genocide. By rising with anger to something that extreme, it makes you come across as extreme, invalidating what you may be saying to a lot of the people that you need to reach in order to make change.
I don't agree with what the police in that video did, but I also don't agree with people openly going around and saying that those people should be shot. However, I also think that justice is rarely swift, for any sides of the scale.
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Raz0rBlade_uk
on 2006-11-17 03:52 [#02003603]
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i dare you to put on a police uniform, walk around town, and tell me that you didn't feel powerful
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 03:58 [#02003607]
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What I do know is this. A lot of the people who become police officers do sincerely want to help their community. Unfortunately, instead of helping their community, they end up watching drug dealers who are doing no good for anybody but themselves, walk out of jail after one day with mearly a slap on the wrist and a promise to appear before a judge three years later who will most likely shake their finger at them and tell them to leave without any penalty. These are the same people that will cut the hamstring of junkies who owe them ammounts as little as ten dollars when they don't pay.
After a while, they get a bit jaded, and lash out. Not all of them do, but some, and those officers need to be dealt with on appropriate terms when the time arrives. But that involves members of the public going about intelligent means with which to inform the proper channels about what happened.
Probly the best thing that could have happened there was someone calmly asking the officer for their badge number, which is what happened. Its illegal for an officer to not disclose that info, so they themself could be charged. All police work leaves a paper trail for that very reason, so the officers involved can be identified by reports of what incidents occur.
Likewise:
I know that a lot of people become paramedics because they want to help their community and make sure that people are given the proper medical treatment they need. However, a lot of their calls end up responding to poor people in ghettos who have overdosed, or have just been assaulted over drugs, or many other similar things. After a while of trying to revive the same person day after day who chronically overdoses but never seems to die, it can kind of wear on you.
Personally, I think a lot of the problems in our society could be spared if instead of making hard drugs illegal, the government provided them to junkies. It would not cost more than the legal or medical implications of the illegal drug trade. It would end up paying for itself.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:10 [#02003612]
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Once again, I suck myself into talking politics here. I shut up :)
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Netlon Sentinel
from eDe (Netherlands, The) on 2006-11-17 04:11 [#02003613]
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I don't see how being worn out by junkie/dealer relationships applies to what those officers did in that University building or what that riot police officer did to that woman.
I agree that these are just incidents though, I still believe most police officers have their feelings of superior power in check. But I do think that there are many rotten apples among them and I cannot understand how they can apply to become a cop, pass the screening and be handed a badge and gun. Or is there no screening?
I wonder what happened to the officers that killed off that man as shown in the video above...
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-11-17 04:28 [#02003617]
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i think they should taze redrum each time he posts a comment.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:30 [#02003618]
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Its one of the many different parts of the problem, but its one of the ones that I see the most, so I can talk about it with more understanding from both sides. Part of the reason the smaller courts are so backlogged is because of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of $5 cases where the people who were arrested were stealing to pay for crack or chrystal meth. The cops get jaded because any work they do never ends up getting thrown out of court, because the judges are too overworked to give each case the thought that it should require.
Its not just the drug trade, but its a larger part of the problem than most people realize.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:31 [#02003619]
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And by that I mean:The cops get jaded because any work they do ends up getting thrown out of court
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2006-11-17 04:32 [#02003620]
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More specifically, the important cases get overlooked because of the backlog of these unimportant $5 arrests.
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-11-17 04:34 [#02003622]
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I bet no fucker refuses to produce their library card now though. If the police report is to be believed that is. Why would someone repeatedly refuse to show a fucking library card? They're either thick as shit or shouldn't be there.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-11-17 04:35 [#02003623]
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i think you should get a fucking move on and walk out in front of a bus.
you're all talk and no fucking action.
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