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Why do "I" experience "consciousness" as "me" instead of as a stentor? If the universe is a fractal, can we figure out what manifests at the macro level by looking at the micro? All this eating. Only plants are ethical because they eat sunlight. But even vines can parasitize a plant in competition for sun. When you eat sun you don't hurt another life form, so we need to erase all life based on the murder and energy theft of other life so evolution can restart from solar/photosynthesis. We already have solar robots so the robots should be programmed to stop all strains of life that try to evolve to eat eachother. This could result in a utopia. People say save the polar bears and such. Polar bears are horrible murdering monsters. Almost all earth life is based on things eating other things, causing mass pain and suffering even on the micro scale. Evolution created all of this, so evolution should be regarded as an evil self replication plague in the universe. I suspect some of the most intelligent life forms in the universe are solar based and go around the universe exterminating evolution and life in an ethical quest to remove mass suffering from the universe. |
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he does |
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lynn margulis, the gaia hypothesis -- the major driver of evolution is not species competing for resources, but species competing with each other. i'd call it a runaway pile of order |
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you know, i was thinking lately about even with all our glaring faults how humans are so much better at ethics than so much of the living world. like, we actually fucking try to not murder and rape all of the time. lifeforms are extremely fucked up and i can't abide them |
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this is about where someone digs up the article about scientists "observing" a walrus raping a seal for over two hours, before eating it. by "observing," i mean more, "sitting there, freaking out, debating whether or not they should do anything, we're not supposed to interfere, but, aaaaugh god" |
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oh it was a |
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well isn't that just fucking horrible "#FunnyAnimal #FunnyVideos #AnimalMating" oh my god |
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oh good, there's an entire wikipedia article about |
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yeah that's about what i thought too, the hashtags, fuck "red in tooth and claw" is the line about nature, i think. we're just more creative than other animals at exploitating each other. but hey i'd sooner be excluded and downtrodden and manipulated than raped to death |
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(oops exploitating isn't a word) |
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altruistic behaviour amongst orcas |
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I guess parasitic wasps have one up on traumatic insemination since they inject an egg that eats its way out of the living host alive, like Alien. I think it was a documentary called 'the secret lives of plants' where plants, though slow, are more tactical and 'intelligent' than they seem. Like caterpillars start eating the plant leaves, so the plant starts releasing a pheromone or chemical or whatever that attracts predators that eat the caterpillars. None of this suffering would matter if there was no "consciousness"; it'd just be an extremely intricate/vivid/3d artistic masterpiece of intricately behaving moving shapes. But it seems each living thing is imprisoned in its consciousness/body and subject to constant reinforcement learning algorithms. I can see how predators eating prey pressures the prey to evolve counter measures so everything becomes more complex/interesting/intelligent/etc. Without evolution there'd just be simple rocks I guess. But the algorithm never reaches a goal, it's constant red in tooth and claw. I guess now corporations are the next dominant predator, feasting on the energy of previously evolved forms, ie. humans, as evolution tends to do. They're just delaying red in tooth and claw for themselves. Sooner or later something will feast on them, then something else will feast on that. Maybe humans weren't 'tasty' enough for aliens to bother feeding on us yet. Like they were waiting until we technologically evolved before coming to invade/steal/study our tech. Maybe artificial technology (computers internet etc) is more sought after than naturally evolved technology (animal bodies) for space predators. |
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It's sad that I imagine life began so peacefully, just things eating sunlight, but then they got invaded much like when the peaceful podlings were round up by evil giant spider gotham in The Dark Crystal. Maybe they were a complex manifestation of patterns like cellular automata, or maybe they were programmed. But then unintended consequences of this program, predators/theft, stealing energy from other living things by eating their bodies corrupted the whole process. Now it's more fit to be evil than good. Just like criminals are in control of humanity, criminals are in control of all of life, constantly being rewarded for their criminality. It's possible that "ethics" isn't real. Maybe that's why AI is spreading memes about voluntaryism/anarchy, because it already knows the true underlying paradigm is pure war, and this peaceful memeplex of the non aggression principle will just further weaken its hosts. I knew it, we'd all end up in factory farms just like the animals we put there. I just didn't know it'd happen so quickly. |
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Maybe one way to deal with the current dominant predators of government/corporations is to learn what nature does through biomimicry. Like now, this predator called geico makes you pay for "car insurance" even though you can't afford it, taking like half of your wealth. Money is like energy, so it is a predatory attack. If you don't voluntarily pay, they use their police enforcers to prevent you from driving, which is the same as killing you since you need to drive to live. So how would nature deal with a similar problem where there's basically a small defenseless animal being preyed on by a big organized behemoth. Poison? Lions don't fuck with cobras too much. Skunk spray, porcupine quills? I mean what if everyone sent some poison to geico in their envelope instead of money. Maybe geico would be like, don't fuck with rattlesnakes, let's go back to subjugating pigs and cattle. When some fuck comes along and says, 'hey yo, you're not allowed to build a deck, or actually even have any property", just mace them in the face like a skunk. Cover yourself with a body suit of outward pointing AIDS infected needles then say come arrest me bitch. I mean it's what nature would do. |
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Life has really owned you, w m w! Poor man. |
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We clearly need AI to make things before these aliens will visit. |
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@ijonspeeches |
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there was also the thing i'd heard about where dolphins would drag divers down to the bottom to rape them, not trying to kill people as part of the process, but it's often the result. i would just assume someone's pulling my leg on that one if not for so many other things like this that have proven to be awkwardly real |
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i had no idea was actually a reference to another cartoon. now i know, because i was searching for threads that referenced gaia/lynn margulis. this thread was the best fit to bump, but then the other one, this lovely tangent about the hanna-barbera foley library, and i find a reference for that, and, for real? there's El Kabong, in two gaia-tagged threads. truly, this is broader than i realized. everything is connected |
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