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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-12-07 06:30 [#02013982]
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I always thought he came off a bit coy in interviews, but goDel is right... I already like radiohead. You probably find the interviews annoying because you already think they are shit. All music is pretentious if you want to look at it like that.
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staz
on 2006-12-07 06:33 [#02013986]
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PRETENTIOUS PRETENTIOUS WAH WAH FUCKAG
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-07 06:46 [#02013992]
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Please demonstrate how all music is pretentious. I understand this will take up the rest of your life as there is a lot of music to get through, but I'm sure that you'll want to back up your statement with some hard solid evidence. Looking forward to reading your report sometime in the next 50 years.
Plus, since you've no idea how I or Tolstoyed, for example, came to dislike Radiohead/Thom Yorke, you shouldn't be saying "probably", but instead, "please tell me where this dislike stemmed from. Where you close to your mother?"
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RussellDust
on 2006-12-07 07:17 [#02013994]
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never thought i'd write this, but i'm with dannn_ on this one. i find tolstoyed's view on radiohead arrogant and pretentious in itself, it's all about supposing.
the music is shit? fair enough. i for one don't dislike the music because the lead singer seems 'full of himself'.
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Indeksical
from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2006-12-07 07:21 [#02013995]
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well seeing how pretentious, besides its most commonly used meaning of 'usually unjustified or excessive claims', also means 'making demands of ones skill, ability or means' i would agree with Dannn_ and say that all music, art, literature etc is pretentious.
thank you merriam-webster online dictionary
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-07 07:58 [#02014011]
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wow they use guitars and electronica..how do they do it...
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staz
on 2006-12-07 08:07 [#02014012]
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using "pretentious" as an attack on music is mostly completely unjustified and just plain lazy, seeing as most people make that judgement without even having any knowledge of what principles these people base their musical output on. anyway, to contribute something, i'll just say oh well and lol and teh. also, fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2006-12-07 09:11 [#02014033]
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pretentious:
1. full of pretense or pretension. 2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance. 3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.
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Dannn_
from United Kingdom on 2006-12-07 09:11 [#02014034]
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hey youre pretty annoying. pretentious is used in few different ways... but, i mean it as in being ostentatious or assigning yourself too much importance. You could say that of anyone who writes songs and sings to people, or chooses to communicate through any abstract medium. Anything in a radiohead song that suggests they think they are more important than any other musician is just speculation. I dont know what your talking about with the word 'probably' there, and I dont mind that you dont like a band i like, but I think its daft to say you dont like it because its pretentious, thats all. LOL?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-07 10:05 [#02014061]
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just to clarify; i never said music was pretentious. i don't like their music, but i find them pretentious. but i guess it's hard to keep calm mind if you get that much attention.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-12-07 10:26 [#02014067]
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Ha ha ha, a thread on a IDM message board with accusitions of pretension. How very ironic!
Anyhow.
When I heard 'The Eraser' I realised that Thom Yorke's contribution to the band is the reason I like Radiohead so much. On the other hand I feel that the Eraser is missing something ie. the other Radioheaders. I am really looking forward to the new album (but not as much as the new Skinny Puppy)
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-07 10:59 [#02014075]
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i would really like if you could explain what pretentiousness of yorke has got anything to do with idm mb. thank you.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-12-07 11:13 [#02014081]
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We have all been drawn to this board because we have found ourselves liking a genre of music that is, on the whole, very pretentious. So for some one to rubbish other pretentious music/artists is funny to me.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-07 11:17 [#02014084]
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i don't find music pretentious though, just people.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-12-07 11:22 [#02014086]
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True, but you must admit that there is a certain amount of pretention that comes along with any off mainstream music genre.
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OK
on 2006-12-07 12:36 [#02014124]
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what is pretentious about radiohead? they've never claimed that their music is the best thing ever, or that they are gods among rockstars. what you say about interviews is totally false, they often seem embarassed of their 'status'. they seem like their worst critics. what they do, is music that keeps them interested, something that i'd expect any good artist to do, and they're not afraid to TRY either.
what the hell tolstoyed just get OK Computer, give it a GOOD listen and get the fuck out of this thread because you dont make any sense.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2006-12-07 12:59 [#02014146]
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Radiohead are sooo pretentious (pick any interview with them) but they have every right to be. If they weren't I don't think they would have made so much cool interesting music.
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staz
on 2006-12-07 13:00 [#02014147]
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being pretentious basically means you overrate something without merit, i don't really think they do that.
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goDel
from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2006-12-07 13:07 [#02014154]
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excellent electronic music
sounds a bit pretentious, doesn't it?
/SeriousAndSincereRant
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OK
on 2006-12-07 15:43 [#02014256]
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yeah kinda...
i still don't get it 010101.. where exactly is the pretentiousness in radiohead. i interpret pretentious as when someone INTENDS their actions to be seen as something great. does that make sense? by my definition it would make every human pretentious but no... lets say it better: its the self conscious act of apparent self importance. that'd be my definition. i don't see that in radiohead.
interviews? in all the interviews with yorke about the eraser, he says how he didn't have any confidence in himself, that he tought everything he did was shit, and that how much of his work embarrasses him... anyway... stupid debate... i'm looking forward for the next LP which for some reason i don't think it will be very good, but i hope they'll pull it off.
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mimi
on 2006-12-07 15:46 [#02014258]
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i like some of their tunes, nothing real recent, i think the electronic stuff is real gimmicky and not in a fun way, they have some good parts here and there though.
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mimi
on 2006-12-07 15:47 [#02014259]
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also, i'd like to break thom yorke's fucking nose
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-07 17:11 [#02014303]
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you must be pretty naive.
also, go mimi!
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OK
on 2006-12-07 17:47 [#02014314]
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care to elaborate on that? cus if you don't you just look like you took the easy way out of a discussion that you see as lost to my irrefutable arguments ; )
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big
from lsg on 2006-12-07 17:47 [#02014315]
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booooring thread
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2006-12-07 17:50 [#02014321]
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naive about the way you interpret his interviews. im really not going to discuss this further because i just repeat myself. you have just as much right to like them as much as i have right not to like them.
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OK
on 2006-12-07 19:55 [#02014368]
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keyword here interpret.
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