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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 09:38 [#00110612]
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How can u be that ignorant? U dont know me, and still u tellin me that I dont know shit about math...thats just plain stupid.
You is just a contradiction, first u tellin me that "I understand when you say "math is the language of nature" I
can see where this tougt comes from"
Then in the other sentence "i disagree with the "language of nature thing"... to
me the universe is made of math.... as simple as that"
Nothing really exists but pure math, I agree
All that you see/feel is a product of the rules of math. I agree.
Chill n read Ceri JC post again.
Dont come on this topic and act like u you the ultimate knowlegde god or something, dont diss me, build with me insted.
I know a lot of people disagree with me on this topic but they dont diss me like that, I want an apologize.
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2002-03-04 10:48 [#00110659]
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hey arch, i trend to agree with both you 'n OK, but yeah i thought the same as he when reading the begining of the topic, you say many true and important things, but some sentences made you look like you didn't know what you were talking about ( no offence here), but it's maybe the way you wrote it or the way we read it ...
nonetheless music IS math...
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 10:59 [#00110670]
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E-man: Yeah you dont have to agree with all the stuff that im writing, but you didnt diss me like that. It nicer to just say that "I dont agree", dont tell me that I dont know shit.
"OK" was sinking to the lowest level when he just spitted at me with no respect, telling me that I dont know nothing about math, WHO IS HE TO JUDGE ME!?!?!?. Dont get at me like that, show a little respect.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 11:00 [#00110673]
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I will give drop some more math on ya soon...
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E-man
from Rixensart (Belgium) on 2002-03-04 11:04 [#00110675]
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i agree that the 'you know nothing about math ' was a little bit pretentious...
anyway i'm waiting for more boc 'n math to come then!
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 13:30 [#00110795]
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OK, you should have realized in the beginning that you can't argue with a person like this. Its like telling a deaf dog to sit.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 13:34 [#00110799]
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And to the person that corrected my typos, thanks. You can be my message board secretary. I wrote a few comments on the PMG message board too a few days ago. Can you go check that for me?
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 13:39 [#00110804]
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Arch, its common for scientists to become aroused when they notice uneducated people trying to sound like scientists. Its probably a combination of ego and appropriation. I can relate to how OK reacted.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:06 [#00110823]
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OK aka Omneignotumus.
So you think im smart.....thanx.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:12 [#00110833]
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The science of Supreme Mathematics is the key to understanding mans relationship to the universe.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 14:13 [#00110834]
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Don't confuse me with OK, I don't agree with his presentation of views either.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:15 [#00110839]
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Each one should teach one according to their knowledge.
Its either build or destroy.
I want to build, OK/Omneignotumus wants to destroy.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:18 [#00110841]
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Positive vs Negative. Why be negative when you can spread love insted?
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 14:20 [#00110845]
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Do you feel that you are presenting us with a new a wonderful concept? Something tells me that your actual knowledge of this doesn't extend very far beyond your movie and television experience.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-04 14:21 [#00110846]
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I still think theres been loads of interesting ideas about sound, art ~& maths...one of the better thread recently...
Bring on the maths...
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 14:23 [#00110847]
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"Each one should teach one according to their knowledge." That's how we get things like the KKK and fundamentalist terrorism. I would prefer teachers as a select few.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:24 [#00110849]
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Jand: I LOVE your stuff!!! I want more! Nice work, Its intresting how u can combine these elements :)
yeah bring on the maths!!!
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:26 [#00110851]
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Ignorant animals like you Omneignotumus shouldnt be spoon fed with knowledge.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-04 14:28 [#00110853]
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Omneignotumus: " I would prefer teachers as a select few". You must mean like the taliban (until recently) were.
I was particularly amused by the way (whilst pointing out I corrected your spelling), neglected to respond to my inital question, "Were you calling *me* an ignoramus". I also doubt that you have any real understanding of philosphy as that last post was completely wrong.
Archrival: You up for a tag team match against Omneignotumus and OK? :)
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dave
from saskatoon (Canada) on 2002-03-04 14:30 [#00110856]
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i like math , when i can understand it, some days i can and somedays i can't , maby thats why i rarely sit down and accually focus on a song and make it good, all the outher shit is just a bunch of riff raff or little loops
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:30 [#00110858]
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"I would prefer teachers as a select few"
Yeah I know u would prefer the teacher I had in math :)
He was a straight up Nazà member, I know u would love him Omneignotumus :)
He was one of the few selected ones.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-03-04 14:32 [#00110861]
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Ceri, what newspaper do you read? The Taliban weren't a select group of teachers.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 14:34 [#00110863]
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CERI JC I GOT YOUR BACK!!!!! LETs do this hehehe LOL
"We got to fight the evil forces of the world" ;=) Lets tag up against these elite "suckers".
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-04 14:39 [#00110868]
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Erm, yes they were...
Taliban means "Student" in arabic, but they actually ran the country through withholding and corrupting information. When they were in power you could only read the official Taliban Qu'ran, not other versions. Only specific sections were read. Music, Tv and art were pretty much banned. They only allowed one "questionable" radio play because there was literally nearly a riot when they talked about taking it off the air.
Most muslims I know think that it is easier to be a muslim in another country as you are free to read and interpret the Qu'ran as you like and not have it dictated to you.
The point I was making is that you seem to imply that a few people should be in a position to educate (heirachical rather than peer centered learning). It is this attitude (and not the peer learning you criticised) that leads to organisatios such as the Taliban, the Roman Catholic church and other elitist groups who dislike FOI.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 14:54 [#00110887]
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You make assumptions about what I do and do not 'like'. I said a 'select' few. For me, In your example I feel that the teachers were improperly selected. I consider your example to be in agreement with my notion that only certain individuals should be given the privilege of teaching.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 15:00 [#00110894]
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Ceri, I hadn't directed any comments toward you...you were mistaken. The 'ignoramus' comment was made with the purpose embracing the facetiousness of Arch whole silly rap. It was meant as a joke.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-04 15:07 [#00110909]
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Do you mean a sort of democratically elected selection of teachers?
Thanks for clearing up that "ignoramus" post :)
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 15:10 [#00110921]
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Im not implying that there exists a better way of arranging the education system. Im speaking entirely in an idealistic manner.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-04 15:13 [#00110929]
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Without disrespecting *you* personally, I find idealists impossible people. My girlfriends was a volunteer at a monkey sanctuary a while back and the place was really bad, communal living really doesn't work (I know I've lived in shared houses). They also weren't exactly chilled out, nice people. The seemed very aggressive and argued all the time without actually getting anything done.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-04 15:15 [#00110934]
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Wow, I came in expecting conversation about BOC and their relation to mathematics, and find a discussion about monkey sanctuaries... blarg!
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 15:18 [#00110939]
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As for you Arch, the bottom line is that scientists tend to be protective of their field. Its common to get a negative reaction when you try and use that sort of language without having any background in it. Im confident that my assuming that you have no educational background is correct, especially since you announced a comparison between this conversation and a wrestling match. People who work hard at their education often feel annoyed when uneducated people try and preach out of their ignorance. There are a countless number of scientific misconceptions in pop-culture which stem directly from foundationless preaching like yours. This is something that makes some people upset. I would bet that this is how OK felt.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 15:19 [#00110942]
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Taking an idealistic perspective is a conversational tool. One who uses such a tool does not need to be an idealist.
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Fernz
from A Scottish Wanker (United Kingdom) on 2002-03-04 15:21 [#00110946]
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Woah Archrival, that was deep, man. :)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-03-04 15:22 [#00110948]
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It was *me* that made the tag-team (admittedly lame) joke.
Also I completely understand your POV re:uninformed people and mis-information. Loads of people die due to "first aid" mis-information such as sucking poison out of a snake bite.
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Xanatos
from New York City (United States) on 2002-03-04 15:23 [#00110952]
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I make fractals...
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 16:05 [#00111009]
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One might argue that virtually all those who make music are using mathematics at some level. The conscious and intentional use of number relationships as an element music making is cool and many artists in many genres participate. There have been some musical projects where number relationships have been the sole basis for entire musical statements. I've always admired what Iannis Xenakis was doing with it, and Gyorgy Ligeti also has some excellent contributions to this type.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 16:05 [#00111010]
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Omneignotumus: What is this piece of crap??
"you try and use that sort of language without having any background in it or something"?? PLEASE!!!!!!
Are u playin with me or just dumb?
I just wanted to spread some math and info about BOC and now I cant make a topic??
And dont complain about my rhyming skills when you dont know shit about MCing. Its common to get a negative
reaction when you try to diss my "silly rap" without having any background in it Im confident that my assuming
that you have no knowledge background about hip hop is correct,
especially since you announced that I made a "sill rap" :^)
If u got skills or know anything about hip hop lets have a little "friendly" match then LOL :)
Get your facts straight.
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Ophecks
from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-03-04 16:07 [#00111013]
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Oh fuck, I hate math... this topic hurts my head... I can't express in words how much I hate the science of numbers. Ugh... must leave this topic...
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 16:10 [#00111017]
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I love the science of numbers :)
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 16:13 [#00111019]
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My use of the word 'rap' was in no way related to hiphop. You were confused.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 16:15 [#00111024]
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So you know anything about hip hop? Are you the right person to judge if my rhymes were silly?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-04 16:17 [#00111027]
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well well well, what have we here? a spitboxing competition on our hands?
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-04 16:19 [#00111030]
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hey can someone summarise the previous 90 threads for me, as i have only read the ones on this page. thanks!
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 16:21 [#00111035]
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The word 'rap' can refer to a rambling vocalization of ideas. This is what I meant with the word. I wasn't referring to, nor do I care about your rapping.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 16:24 [#00111039]
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Yeah I can do that...
I wanted to post some intresting stuff stuff about math and BOC and then this idiot "OK" telling me that I dont know shit about math. Who is he to judge me?
I never stated that im a math genious or something like that...why cant people be friendly these days :)
You should spread love not war ;)
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 16:27 [#00111040]
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Marlowe, here is what I observed. Arch was making a display of his 'scientific' knowledge which got a rise out of another guy named OK, who felt that some of Arch's words were incorrect or ignorant. I think OK, who was pursuing education in mathematics he says, felt that Arch's vaunting was insulting to him. Then arguement ensued from there on out. I've been having a few minutes here and there so I've been trying to have a hand in the fun.
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 16:28 [#00111042]
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Omneignotumus and OK: Yall should learn how to act, try to be a little polite will ya.
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Omneignotumus
on 2002-03-04 16:29 [#00111043]
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Personally I think Arch went beyond the realm of 'sharing some cool info' and into the 'Im smart and cool' area; maybe innocently and unknowingly. This is offensive to somepeople who actually work hard for the education behind some of those concepts.
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-03-04 16:30 [#00111045]
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hey, someone has joined you in your picture! :D
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Archrival
on 2002-03-04 16:31 [#00111046]
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When did I claimed to drop "scientific knowledge"??????????????? What I posted was just common sense not scientific knowledge.
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