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The guy who called me an 'ignorant animal' is telling me to be polite. Way to go buddy. |
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I agree that its common knowledge; I was tyring to elucidate what I thought OK's position was. |
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Thats my sister :) SHES TELLIN me right now to REMOVE THAT pic Heheheheh ;=) Ouch.....I have too remove that pic, She dont want to have her pic on this forum :( |
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Curious; what jobs do you people have that you can post on here throughout business hours? |
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tell her she has a lovely smile |
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You makin moves on my SISTER!!!!! nah just joking, I will tell her that u like her smile :) I know she will be glad. She always complains about how ugly she is and that no one ever gives her any compliments (shes single right now too :) |
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Lets stop this negative shit and lets move on :) |
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I think Arch's point about politeness is a valid one. You wouldn't talk to someone like that face to face, so why hide behind your computer and be rude? Also "rap" tends to refer to either: A quick sharp knock with the knuckels, rap as in hip hop or as a defamatory remark. I'd never heard it in the context you used, so I'm sorry if I (and I think Arch too) misunderstood you. |
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"You wouldn't talk to someone like that face to face, so why hide behind your computer and be rude?" LOL I was just about to say this :) but then I was thinking lets move on, this discussion aint going no where.... but youre right about that, I know that he wouldnt be rude like that in real life. But why act hard on the net when you can show some love insted. |
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Good point about acting hard. It doesn't prove anything in "real life", with hundreds of miles distance and anonymity to protect you it proves even less. Let's all play nice. |
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Now this is purely comedy. |
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Yeah Omneignotumus you are a big fucking joke. |
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HAHAHAHAHAH lets all play nice :) |
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Good job once again. |
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let's all link hands and pray to georgey bush :D |
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Omneignotumus on 2002-03-04 09:18: "People who work hard at their education often feel annoyed when uneducated people try and preach out of their ignorance. There are a countless number of scientific misconceptions in pop-culture which stem directly from foundationless preaching like yours. This is something that makes some people upset." Nicely stated Omneignotumus. I agree that this sort of thing happens a lot. I'm sure other people will concur. |
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that quote got really butchered when i pasted it :/ these little reply boxes are too schmall |
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yeah they are - especially when i try to put in a link or something. |
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This almost turned into a discussion with these people, but in the end they just turned it into an AOL teen chat room. |
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it's fairly common for a new branch of maths and any sciences to come from people who ertierly outside of the mainscrean academic circles... The self-stuidiers...somehwat akin to Bedroom Muso, who have no need to have an real audicence....people who scerare for their own piece of mind... Sometimes it's takes the insight of ignorance that push & ask difficult question without knowing how hard tha actual problem is... These sorts of people and smooth... |
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I agree with you also jand. |
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Indeed. The number of patents held by *individuals* (not companies) is inversely proportional to their number of qualifications. |
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I try and dig out my old programs and see if we could those shapers further... I also need to write some notes/dagrams on the maths as well...could be anice gool little project... I'd also like to do this with few others of you here...perhpas with some music (mmm...Pansonic..)..or something... Just pipe dream at mo but I feel we could do this with a bit of poking for slackers ;)... Tech has moved on a long way and we could easily produce some wild stuff...especially when it's linked music.. If anyone else has ideas on thes shapes etc...let kmw..I like to heard a litte feedback... |
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wow i read through you WHOLE argument! |
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ok I'll try to ignore everything else said here... i will not add anything else on the matter. its all clear to me. I don't need to win any arguments... Omneignotumus's common sense proved me right. ---- ok moving on... no matter how much I love math.. i don't agree with the use of math consiously to create music.. because I for one when I listen for music I seek for more than something aestethically perfect or pleasing... I look for more than just from, I look for emotion and more things I can't even begin to describe... and if music can be explained with math i just don't want to hear about it. I still want it to be magical in the way i find it magical now... not in the way i find math magical. Also you may've heard about music theory... what is it? it's math! i'ts mostly based on intervals and studies othe things also.. but in essence it's math... and guess what? if you don't follow the rules of musical theory you can still get good music. jazz for instance is a type of music that broke the rules (it has rules to break the rules but that's anotherthing). so musical theory virtually means nothing. so summing up i have 2 points. 1) math doesn't explain a good song (if it does, and it probably could in some way, I don't wanna know how) and 2) music is a LOT more than math and to end... and apology. archrrival I'm sorry.. you just made me laugh... imagine someone that comes and tells you that the band prodigy invented electronic music (just an example you can imagine you own most dumb and unlikely example)... and he speaks as if he knows all about electronic music. That's how I felt... but i tell you one thing... I admire how passionate you are about the matter even when you know nothing about it. |
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i like music |
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So do I |
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i notice that there are a lot of blackwhite pics on this post. :) i quite like the idea/implications of maths. ^archrival - re common sense - - maths is supposed to be an "a priori" type of knowledge (ie. intuitive) opposed to "scientific/a posteriori" knowledge. so in that sense you are most definetly right. i definetly find ideas about patterns in and the universe very interesting and intriguing. but am a little sceptical - perhaps wary would be more apt. eg. [with reference to the movie pi] - if you look for something you'll find it ... with maths as a presupposition - you will find maths wherever. i mean, this is pure speculation - and i will never "really" know - but more importantly - as in pi - if you were to find the patterns/understand and comprehend the syntax between the numbers and such - and were to (by analogy) achieve self consciousness (ie. like the computer) it becomes totally irrelevant. it is a wild goose chase, where even the chase is mathematically eloquent. eloquent in the sense that the goose chase isn't irrelevant while your chasing .. what am i saying? mmhhh.. maybe that working towards a comprehensive understanding of the universe in terms of maths (ie. string theory) might undermine our very existence, and our current sense of self / being etc. issues concerning free will etc. infinity is a nice concept also. zero, one and infinity actually .. :) |
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damn .. was actually replying to archrivals post no.1 and turned out a bit scatter brained also .. ah well . fuck it eh? |
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post 100 .. whats happening to me ? |
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yay! lets' read some kant |
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"it's fairly common for a new branch of maths and any sciences to come from people who ertierly outside of the mainscrean academic circles". Since "day one" we didnt spoke about the same type of math. |
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Im talking about math as a "symbol" for something much greater. |
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i'd better shut up this time huh? Omneignotumus |
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Yeah shut up if you aint got something intresting to say, OK. |
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peace my mathematical brothers... |
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I always strive for peace but sometimes these knuckleheads want something else, just spittin out negative shit, if all just could try to be positive. PEACE Positive Energy Activates Constant Elevation |
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He, nice acronym archrival RE: Maths & Jazz, I agree, Satie was the first person to break the mathematical structure of music in a jazz-like way. |
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I strongly disagree with that comment Ceri. |
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GraveDiggaz |
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I'm really not so convinced that BoC is really using mathematics to create their tracks. Or if they are, to what extent their music is being created "normally" or to what extent they are plugging numbers in. If they are creating their music with math, how are they doing it? Where are they plugging in their equations where the melodies pop out? Does anyone know how they are doing it? Or are we just convinced by the track names and their word? |
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I think they said they tune their synths to certain mathmatical ratios. I dont think they're using fractal programs or anything, I think probably like in their song structure, ie certain numbers of bars for certain tasks... I dont know im jsut surmising. I dont think they're using math for more than mere novelty. |
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Ya Taoist I agree. There is definately mathematics in music, my brother who is a pianist has whole books talking about the math involved in music. But consciously I don't think BoC is doing too much more math than any of us who makes a track with fruityloops. When they do, its just for novelty, like you said. I don't think there is any real deep meaning to it to be overanalyzed. The relation between music and math, however, is very interesting. Especially how melodies which please the ear take on certain mathematical structures, a connection between aesthetic appeal and math is hard to conceive, but definately there. I think BoC however is just trying to be mysterious, I don't really believe there is that much math there, and I don't believe much in the effectiveness of their subliminal messages. Its a good joke though and it probably stirs more hype and record sales. Plus they make great music. |
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I think the way BoC present themselves has taken them a long way towards success. If we think of AFX or Squarepusher or Autechre or msot anyone, there isnt muc to say about them beyond their music (you can say they're crazy or whatever, genius, blah) but BoC have constructed this whole theme around themselves. When yuo think of BoC you can picture a mysterious duo hunkered down in the hills making trippy beats, weird math formulas, childhood memories, geometric shapes etc... they have a definite psychedelic theme they are milking to death and I think the whole math thing they are running with is merely an extension of that. More power to them, I think its a great way to sell records and they are very good at it. The only other group who I think does just as good a job at setting up a meaningless "style bubble" around themselves is Thievery Corporation. Anyway jsut my view. |
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Does it state in interviews what their level of formal education is? |
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Ofcourse they dont always use equations or formulas when they do music, they just stated in that interview that they tried to do "Devils in the details" with a well know equation (and that no one would care except them, they just thaught that it would be funny to do that). level of formal education, ohh my god this is so funny :) You sound like a...... |
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they dont plug in numbers like AE sometimes do, its just beautiful chords nah mean. |
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"I think they said they tune their synths to certain mathmatical ratios. I dont think they're using fractal programs or anything, I think probably like in their song structure, ie certain numbers of bars for certain tasks... I dont know im jsut surmising. I dont think they're using math for more than mere novelty." I AGREE |
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"When yuo think of BoC you can picture a mysterious duo hunkered down in the hills making trippy beats, weird math formulas, childhood memories, geometric shapes etc... they have a definite psychedelic theme they are milking to death and I think the whole math thing they are running with is merely an extension of that." I couldnt have said this better, this is what I like about them, the mysterious hype about them!!!!!! :) Its just fun to be amazed like I was a child again. I WANT THEIR WEBSITE NOW!!!!! I know there will be more mysterious stuff going on there.... ;) |
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the old website had a lot of nice pics and small videos n stuff. |
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