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Tim Exile is good. He's built himself an insaniac rig in Reaktor that he controls with various midicontrollers and cock-rings. |
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It's just music man. There's only so much you can do with sound. I mean, there's lots but quite a lot's been done now. Fuck it, have a beer and a spliff and listen to some dub. Sit back, enjoy and try not to overanalyze everything you hear. |
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I still excited when I listen windowlicker. after a while of having not listened it. |
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i skipped the 25th-50th posts of this thread. did i miss anything? |
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the whole thing turned out to be one big mix up. our friends, swears, actually meant to say 'erotica' instead of 'electronica'. he was a bit embarassed by the whole incident, but the community forgave him. groucho marx also stopped in for a bit. |
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"But nothing has really impressed me for ages." maybe it's not electronica, maybe it's you |
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Maybe it is. |
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it took 57 posts to get to this anticlimactic epiphany? |
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Yup. I've got a feeling the good times are coming back. Not in "IDM" though. |
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what about analord? |
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It was okay. It did sound quite fresh, in that he's moved away from breakbeats/pads/cubase buggery in order to push the possiblities of old analog technology. Kind of moving back to move forward. |
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i believe it's just as when one ages, his or hers interests will inevitably change. one need to find out the new things they think are fun as the old ones just don't cut it any more... while still enjoying the old things from time to time. |
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INEVITABLY, the more you experience something, the more familiar you become with it and it will just lose its 'wow' factor. |
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I was talking about this with a chum the other day. Think about the explosion of dance music between 1989 and 1995. It's like: acid house -chart house- techno- hardcore- jungle- drum and bass- "home listening techno" -big beat- "the french touch"- etc, etc. All evolving apart from/out of one another and at least having some impact on the mainstream. Then from 1999 to 2005 you have electroclash (basically a revival) and breakcore which is just 90's IDM with a new following. It's slim pickings. |
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I know this makes no sense but it does to me. For the past few years it's been a + b, techno + hip hop, 'IDM' + R 'n' B, House + Gabba etc. etc. It needs to be a times z. I enjoyed electroclash though. |
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my viewpoint on that is limited. little old jr. cygnus was ~13 when he heard his first "IDM" song. it was surreal and exciting to me, and i collected all that i could almost immediately, my reaction was pretty radical and instantaneous. mainly autechre aphex and squarepusher. the warp stuff. being born in 1984 and being young while that explosion happened, its hard for me to have a real good perspetive :( what do you mean when you say 'slim pickings' though? i think AE have the closest link to rap music in IDM and thats why theyre the best... i dont think a lot of dudes really draw from it like they do. i could be wrong about that though. i dont know. again im relatively 'new' to it all |
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oh no no no. no mixing of genres. we want to keep our genres Pure and Clean of Musicality. |
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A lot of music, unfortunately, is about updates and technological advancements: There is a new plug-in bundle or gear, musicians use it, and people go crazy for some time. Then it all ebbs down. Actually, I have given up looking for the "absolutely new" and I don't care about musical genres at all! What I like in music is expression and talent. This could be in the arrangement & composition, the way gear is used, a twist in recording technique, the emotive power of the music, and sometimes even in remote musical quotes. All this can be very subtle - both at home and in the club. So, a comparative listening approach may be a way out. It all mixes into sub-genres anyway and electronic music, in particular, is open to many influences. You could take a look at the German and Japanese electronic musicians on: www.intervall-audio.com What I like about them, especially the Japanese artists, is that many of them sound different from what we listeners generally expect. Some do indeed sound new - partly, of course, because they are less known outside Japan - but also because they simply have a good knowledge of music history and a keen sense of what works in music. A last (somewhat drastic) idea: Listening less but more intensely can be an excellent cure. Karl-Heinz Stockhausen, for instance, went through a period of fasting and little sleep in order to discover and experience sound from a fresh perspective. And I suppose that Aphex Twin had good reasons when he said that he hardly ever listens to music. |
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I guess it's about taste... |
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or lack of it :) |
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there hasn't been a decent electronica album ever since depeche mode's latest! |
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I dont think one should be proud of listening to the same style for years, progression in taste is natural; lack thereof just reflects a kind of laziness approaching music. |
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well, i listen to rock music ever since i can remember. i moved on to electronica and two million of other styles but i still like rock music. |
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thats not what i meant, actually its the opposite of what i meant. the focus changes but of course you'll always go back to quality tracks of the old days, nothing wrong with that. but i find it funny that the UK based idm genre which considers itself so innovative and fresh is plagued by the most conservative fans on the whole planet and the releases of recent years reflect that conservatism. there is going on as much development as ever but it is in different places. just listen to arvo pärt or bobby mc ferrin or whoever, even the latest album by robbie williams is a step forward in its annoying way. only recently i was completely stunned by how good nirvana was when i listened to them with 13. |
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It's got to a point where electronica producers are just listening to electronica. It's telling that there are no electronica records influenced by R'n'B or grime. It's like "I listen to Autechre, so therefore I'm going to make another record that sounds like them." In the same way an Oasis fan might form a shit indie band. |
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what are you on about? yes, there are people that do that, but that's certainly nothing new. and there are enough people who do actually do their own thing. |
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yeah like me, i listen to soul & hip hop more than anything and i make electronic music !!! |
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how would you know what all other electronic producers are listening to? i'd say eclectic taste is the norm. electronic music not influenced by RnB? there are countless electronic records that are influenced by RnB. there's a huge influence from hip hop as well. |
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He wouldn't know, but because he's so clever and his dad, a blue collar worker who pulled himself out of the gutter by his own bootstraps, told him so, apparently it should be obvious. |
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music in general wait art in general isn't moving anywhere new. a new space-time dimension or sensitivity's needeed to keep things growing |
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>I feel like people like Venetian Snares >are just flogging a ten year old dead horse. yes with a plank of wood with nails in and all the mummified flesh of the horsecorpse is going everywhere in your eyes and nose and then snares wears the horses skull on top of his head and makes a marimba out of the ribcage and a gabber kik from a sack of horse bits and dust |
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richard d james will remain |
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Must Try "Down With The Scene" Hope That It Will Impress Me d-_-b |
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xltronica sucks now |
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jesus, stop complaining and shut up |
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mary & joseph, start complaining and shut down |
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I think Jackson is fresh. Who are these guys influenced by R'n'B? I've would only really say Cex and Jimmy Edgar. |
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Just like cygnus said: "i believe it's just as when one ages, his or hers interests will inevitably change. one need to find out the new things they think are fun as the old ones just don't cut it any more... while still enjoying the old things from time to time." "INEVITABLY, the more you experience something, the more familiar you become with it and it will just lose its 'wow' factor." Exactly they way i would have put it. I'm 20 years old and I've mainly listened to idm since I was about 13-14 or something. Some time ago I had the exact feeling that "there was nothing new" and nothing that could really just slap me in the face like something that i had heard before. I wasn't getting the same pleasure from music that i got before. I spent too much time trying to find something new, going from record to record without even listening carefully, just looking for that one special moment that gives you shivers. I was totally fixated one it. Then I began listening to some other stuff that gave me the feeling I got before from listening to idm/electronica/whatever. Because music has ultimately been about making me feel something when I listen to it. Musicians like Jeff Buckley and Elliott Smith have relatively little to do with electronica but they manage to evoke similar feelings. They're sincere and it has intensity, just like some of the really good classical stuff. Today I couldn't care less wether I'm listening to rock, hip-hop, idm or some classical stuff, just what works. |
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there's more to music than just electronic music, that's right... |
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i think its that way with every music style now a days.the classics maybe just have to grow before you can spot one.i hardly get into new stuff that comes out i mostly go back in time and get some classics that i have missed and discover old stuff |
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Today I am listening to: The Associates Prince Orange Juice Scritti Politti Tyrone Brunson Mantronix PiL Utah Saints Theme tune from "Rude Dog and the Dweebs" Theme tune from "Duck Tales" Commodore 64 game soundtracks. Pulp Chromeo Beck's "Midinite Vultures" A pencil being tapped on my mouse (the snare) and mousemat (the kick drum). |
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