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when and where did you hear em, music or mixing? |
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Awesome. I only have one properly complete at the moment at that's not online becasue it's crap and old. I'm starting work, finally, on one tonight though. I'll e-mail you later mate. |
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Offcourse, it's not like I just slap two records together without some kind of sense for how the end results going to be. But I find it exciting to try out new stuff that way. It's based more on intuition than pure calculation that way. You discover transitions that you wouldn't have done by pure planning. Infact I find this method easier with electronica than the generic dance stuff, which I haven't played in a few years... |
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gloucester has 4 clubs including a jaks and a liquid. got one of 'em?. everytime i go, i vow never to go again, but dickhead mates seem to think it'll be a 'laugh' it never is. i nearly got decked last time i went buy some total cunt and i'm not much of a fighter, wasnt fun. jaks is the best place to go if you want a fat bird or a bird over 40 or a fat bird over 40 |
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I don't have a public e-mail but I'll mail your xltronic one later and we can sort it out from there. |
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surely people will buy music in dvd 5:1/7:1 rather than cds when they are eventually released? i mean everyone HAS a dvd player now, and surround sound isnt even that dear. im certain it will take off... its not even comparable to DAT, etc. im not even sure what sort of an idiot would have predicted DAT to take off... its naive to think CD's wont suffer from the fate you try to impose on vinyls... |
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Fair enough, but I always find mixing electronica tracks to be like a very complicated jigsaw puzzle, you have to find the right bits to go with the right bits and that can take ages and very rarely happens by chance (if you wanna mix it seamlessly that is) |
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No-one seems to have mentioned the nice big artwork you get when you buy vinyl. I mainly buy CDs, but I do like buying vinyl, you really feel like you've bought something and get that buzz as you gently place the needle on the record, definately feels more personal than loading a CD. But CD's are more versatile, like for transferring to mp3 players etc. |
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Hahaha! Ther'es a Liquid in Luton (I know you've heard of it!) Man, that place fucking sucks. There was a massive fight on New YEars Eve and instead of sorting it out, teh security just shut the doors and locked everyone in and left them to sort it out. Fucking insane. Glad I don't go there. There's a nice club in st Albans called Batchwood and another in Milton Keynes underneath the XScape. BAM! I hate people who start fights like that. |
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Cool. |
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also, why potentially never own analord or hab or... ? |
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Have you ever tried scratching with a cd? |
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9/10 the best results come from knowing your shit, that's true. But the random factor is awesome when it works :) |
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i like both actually. each one has benifits and problems. both scratch, both can break if you try very hard, sure cd audio is clean and swell but vinyl is a world onto itself. i have a nice home system and vinyl sounds great on it... sure my record collection takes up some space, but when i have people over they like to look through it. great conversation pieces...it turns them on to older music sometimes, they CAN't BORROW IT!!! unless they're a nutty bastard with a turntable like me. so...yea. |
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believe it or not there were plenty of idiots who thought DAT would take off, mainly the people that were trying to market and sell it to us. The bottom line is that people will only buy into a new technology if it suits them, and surely it doesn't suit the majority of people to replace all their collection again, especially the ones who have already replaced their vinyl with CD. |
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dunno why i always listen to my vynil instead of my cds, i think its just more fun listening |
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i havent heard them. but seriously, where can i hear a mix you've done.... do you have it hosted at all? |
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cd's are handy for travelling |
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dvds are physically cd's though... people are ready for them.. and they have replaced vhs... |
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unfortunately not, I've been DJing since I was 18 (I'm 32 now) and have got a massive archive of mixes that I'd love to make available but sadly I have no broadband connection or easy way to get them online, one day I will though and when that day comes I'll put the link up for everyone on this board. |
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Yeah but let's face it a DVD isn't a great leap on from CD and most DVD players play CDS too (which is probably why the format took off), believe it or not though we are on the cusp of another format war, HD DVD vs Blu Ray discs, should be fun, I think I'll watch from the sidelines. |
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vinyl gives you more posibilities. |
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maybe if your a tricky hip hop dj but you'd be surprised at what you can do with CD decks these days |
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the discussion is endless because the majority of people don't know what they talk about throwing stupid comments like vinyl is better quality!!! what quality uh? maybe you mean it isn't sampled? so you'll have a more true representation of the sound, but quality as nothing to do with that as clearly pointed by soundguy, just buy the best equipment and listen for yourself. and yes dvd are nearly cd's, so talk about dvd's which are 96Khz/24 bit if you want to talk about sound quality, i think you have even more high-freq content on that, meaning your live percussion will sound more punchy and all your transient will be better reproduced, you'll have a better stereo image too and better sound separation. the bigger artwork (and maybe the ability to scratch altho that is getting better and better with ceedees...) is the only thing that keeps me buying certain vinyl when i could buy the cd. i'm tired of people liking vinyl because it is "cool", and then they invent all sort of reasons why it is better because, well, you won't accept that you were stupid for so long! don't get me wrong, i LOVE vinyl! but not for some "quality" issues... i like the clics an pops, i like surface noise (not too much), i like bigger artwork, i like the smell of it i like sampling slowed to death sound (something you have to pay in the digital world to have the same quality), ... bla bla bla anyway, enjoy you music any format it is on :) |
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yeah... that's true. :) anyway... i prefer vinyls. It's size, the turntable, how you gotta take care of them, the warm sound... And especially when a record is only released on vinyl... it feels special... And vinyls are often cheaper than cd's. But all formats are good. I use MD, cd's, vinyls, mp3.. it's all great too me. I just like the feeling of a vinyl.. :) |
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so true... creativly speaking, a good denon 2x cd deck is something you could use to play live shows with loops of you stuff spread on cd i mean, you can fire a loop from anywhere on the cd at any time and change the looppoints on the fly easily, can't do that on vinyl ( and you need a LOT of money to press vinyls of you stuff i think :D) |
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Wholly shit look at you people go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow! 0_0 |
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not to mention the fact that many cd decks have built in digital effects, from filtering to phlanging, use them sparingly and it can seriously enhance your set. |
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i think you can buy an "electronic music" vinyl nowadays just for a collection purpose, not for an audiophile sensation. you should buy classical, jazz vinyls and have an audiophile music system if you really wanna enjony the sound. |
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I always thought it strange that electronic music, which let's face it these days is more often than not coming from a digital source is deemed to sound better on vinyl. This doesn't apply to older analog stuff of course but the process of taking a digital wave then recording it to vinyl creates a second generation copy, how is this better than a direct digital copy from the master? I guess it's all down to the skill of whoever masters it too vinyl. |
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I'll host one off the CD he's sending me :) |
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cheers, I'd appreciate that. |
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BUNKUM hit the nail on the head, all right. 100% agree with his comment. I've only begun listening to vinyl over the past 2 years, and slowly (very slowly) buying records. I don't mix; I only have one turntable. I just listen to music and occasionally set the other channel to my pc (mp3 ) and play around like that. I've been waiting to get a 2nd table but just never got around to it. For some reason, I find it more "personal" to load up a track on vinyl, and listen ot it ... than loading up a mp3 or cd in 2seconds and just hitting play. I'm not sure why but vinyl has more of a "human" or "personal" appeal to me. It has an added "feeling" instead of just "listening" I',m not sure exactely how to put it into words but im sure a few of you out there no exactely what i mean. Everything about the turntable and vinyl is just lovely. |
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It's a psychological thing then, I used to like the fact that an album on vinyl is only 20-30 mins a side and therfore you get can get more of a conscise satisfying "musical journey" with a beggining, middle and end, rather than the boredom that can arise from listening to a really long CD, this is irrelevant nowadays though because I just program the "journeys" myself. |
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I must be the big big dickhead coz i mix with TRAKTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeaaaaahh its better then all that physcial real object stuff, plus i can do some crazy whweoeoeohohospecktraldelayflangerbandpasstapereverbwithful effects that go lintesitywheocchchricksky stuff in the middle of a tune. and no one ever knows.... coz no ones there D: |
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Ha Ha, I thought about using that but it won't run on my computer, I think it could be the way forward though, and that's from someone who's devoted a large chunk of their life learning how to mix "properly" |
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cd djs are bullshit first of all vinyl sounds much better, the digital wavelength isnt pure, because of space available on digital mediums cds are put to 16 bits and the wavelength is imperfectly copied, it only takes certain points of the wavelength, not the whole thing, where as analog is a physical medium and has no boundaries also pressing buttons to mix is just fucking faggoty |
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yeah but you can scratch CD's and make matmos songs. whinyl is expensive and for people who are boring. i hate DJ's they cant dance |
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I can't believe no one's mentioned the smell of fresh, new vinyl when you first take it out of the sleeve.. Mmm. Especially if the 12" is shrinkwarpped. It's just one of those things... Never bought a CD in my life if there has been the choice of getting a vinyl version. |
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i agree, listening to a record is more of an 'event' |
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so we agree that it has mainly to do with presonal preference and psychological effects rather than with better sound quality... roygbivcore: vinyl as a music medium is also very limited in itself. the thing that's bad is that we won't have the choice for long, that is sad to me, it's always better having different formats with differents strentghs and weaknesses. :( |
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get over it - vinyl now doesn't have better quality then cd... |
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dvdaudio and supercds yes, but regular cds no they lack a shit load of warmth but none of you care about that |
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no. e-man, it certainly does have to do with sound quality. |
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man, look at all the vinyl-lovers go spastic! |
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I find it funny how you keep hammering on about "opening your mind", while you are busiest on persecuting people who prefer to listen to a cd. |
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cd's, to me, are essentially useless vinyl, we should never forget, is a forgotten format in many ways - hence how you can crate dig and buy breaks and samples for nearly nothing ive had friends whose parents gave me crates and crates of shit cause it was a pain in their ass, and cd's were hip then, are still are in that area vinyl is FAR better - cd's also dont have that lasting physical feeling that vinyl does - i could toss a cd around like nothing, but my record i treasure, love, respect, talk to, and treat delicately love thy vinyl |
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To answer the initial question, it is a matter of choice --and depending on your set-up and sound-system, you may prefer vinyl for its overall warmth and attention to detail on a hi-fi system. DJ's also find vinyl to be a key choice for the 'oldschool' setup of a pair of 1200s. Some enjoy vinyl because of the large artwork/ cover-sleeve/liner notes. We all know the convenient/efficient reasons for buying CD's so there's no need to get into that. Pietro. |
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qrter , i'm not sure who you are directing that at? no one is saying cds should go away, but vinyl is a superior format (in some terms), and not in others (portability) etc. you can't go one way or the other, but i just feel there are a lot of people out there who think cds always sound better than vinyl. |
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I got tired of reading. anyway... for me; I can actually hear the difference between cd/mp3 and vinyl now... and also between mp3 and cd. scratching on cd is crap. I tried it once, and it came out all weird and not like it should AT ALL. when I have vorspiels (pre-parties), I look cool going from the deck to the shelves holding a vinyl and gracefully switching the records.. and people are too afraid to touch it to keep switching songs ALL THE FUCKING TIME! I FUCKING HATE people who just can't listen to an entire song/album! FUCKFUCKFUCK! it also keeps the "guitar-junkies" away.. you know, those annoying gnomes that always find the guitar in the house and start playing CRAP songs that they sing along to. I'm not very good at mixing, but I already know that it's easier to see how a track is going to progress on a vinyl (you can see where the drums are, if there are any quiet parts, and where the bass is and so-on... a cd just gives you timecode, which also is very "unpersonal," in a way), and that you, even if you say you can't mix tracks you don't know, can't escape having to mix tracks you don't know unless you only play the same two tracks throughout your life. Whenever you try mixing a track for the first time, you won't know it, and mixing is just more fun when you "get it right," which you have a greater chance of doing if you can see how the track is... |
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