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I guess I was wrong about the live aspect of their gigs then? |
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have they thought about including something to look at - like live video or something? surely they must know video artists who can help with that. |
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I guess I was wrong about the live aspect of their gigs then? |
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i will now laugh a bit more. |
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D'oh.. sorry about the multiple posts.. My browser was acting strange |
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as I remember the stories about the Confield tour they even had no light, the only thing illuminating the room the lights from their laptops. the idea being that it's a concert and about sound, not visuals. |
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have you been drinking? |
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oh, well if there's no light at all that makes more sense. i just find it boring when it's just watching somebody behind their laptop... but if it's true that they take pretty much all the visual element out of it, that's really clever, i think. |
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I've just listened to bootlegs, but judging from that, it's like you never know what to expect. Some of the concerts is like filled with dancable, quite mainstream techno, and some of them have a lot of the well-known more experimental tracks. If you dl Autechre @ Coachella, you will get the best of both imo, and if I ever will catch one of their concerts, I hope it will be something like that. |
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well, speaking for myself I do like to be able to see the band in question playing, but that's about as far as I expect visuals at a concert to go. |
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i don't mind visuals either, i never watch them anyway unless the music part is really boring :D |
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"the idea being that it's a concert and about sound, not visuals." i agree, but there are exceptions to the rule. some artists decide exploit the live setting to incorporate well thought-out visual art to accompany the music, creating an interesting context in which the audience percieves the performance. i don't think there's anything wrong with that. some of my favorite experiences going to concerts have been when the band cared about what you were looking at as well as hearing. it's two different art forms that can converge only in the live music setting, and when it works it is absolutely overwhelming. |
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That must be why many people find their gigs boring.. There's nothing to see at all. But at least I'm so heavily into their music that just hearing new tracks and live (?) manipulation to known ones is enough for me to thoroughly enjoy it. |
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How can you go on and on in all this topics, telling that you not like Autechre, instead of just ignoring Autechre-topics? What drives you? |
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they're ok, but it's silly to see people make this big of a deal about it. and this is pretty much the only 'alive' topic atm so im kinda stuck here.. |
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mortsto-x - if that comment was for me you have misunderstood. Please read my previous post again |
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Analord suX, d00d. |
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check out followups..he was talking to me there.. |
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yeah, it took me a while to get that, but yeah. |
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Oops new to the board so didn't notice the follow-up bit.. |
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this topic was a nice read except the comments of tolstoyed...it seems to be getting normal now: an Ae topic and tolstoyed is in it to complain about how bad they are... |
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please tell me im not the only one who finds this unbelivably pretentious: "it's all EXTREMELY calculated. sean is also a very intelligent guy and leaves nothing to faith. he's so picky... he's also hearing patterns which are way beyond for most of us." |
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haha... i admire your exact and concrete responses to me: "i will now laugh a little." "i will now laugh a bit more." and "please tell me im not the only one who finds this unbelivably pretentious: ..." very convincing.... :) |
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come on now... tolstoyed, phobiazero... we're all winners here at xltronic. there are no losers. we're all here and we've already won... together. now please shake hands and say, "good game". |
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actually last tour was all max/msp with nords doin basic low freq synth stuff msp handling all the fm and waveshaping synthesis sequencing all handled by max and nord modular internal sequencers, which all run according to params set by a bunch of midi faders. sets before that used roland r8 drum machine, ensoniq samplers and mmt8 sequencers. also loads of other little bits over the years. was more basic but had more changes overall. later sets have been constant in change, but almost to the point of no change. next sets will be a combination. i'm lookin fwd to it anyway. |
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well the bit about "he's also hearing patterns which are way beyond for most of us" is a bit iffy, I'll give you that. but at best that says something about phobiazero and not autechre. I do certainly believe that autechre leave little to nothing to chance, both live and on recording. |
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Autechre at "L'usine" in Geneva. . . 2 years ago. Was a pretty breath-taking performance. Very much confield like. The concert happened just a few days before the release of it. It was very intense. Very loud. You could feel the power of the deep bass like sounds punching into your chest... It was my most powerfull expierence in the music area. |
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:) well, i don't know how to reply to that really...especially because you are about the same age i am and because you know a lot about music. "he's also hearing patterns which are way beyond for most of us" this is the part that confuses me the most. so the beauty of their music is in fact that most of us don't comprehend it? it's just weird so many people like them so much but everyone gets their music different. i must say that im the closest to those people who say their music just sounds good to the ear, but i honestly can't see any complexity in it. oh well, im still hoping i might one day though.. r40f, we're only discussing it here, no harm in that..yet :D |
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yes, i agree on that. "I do certainly believe that autechre leave little to nothing to chance, both live and on recording." i never claimed anything else really. they sure know what they want to get out of it, but i can't see nothing more in their music but something that sounds nice to my ear.. |
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all music is basically something that sounds nice to your ear. well, the music you like, that is. what more are you supposed to hear? you're being a bit pretentious there, Goran.. :P |
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well, both, complex and simple stuff can sound nice to my ear, im just saying autechre don't really fall into the complex chategory in my book, that's all im saying. yeah. "what more are you supposed to hear?" well, the complexity in their music so many people talk about for one thing :) i'll work on my pretentiousness. |
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well I do hear the complexity, but then again I don't hear the supposed complexity in a lot of AFX' stuff. sometimes I do, but then it seems dull to me. my point is that it doesn't matter. |
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yeah it's a paradox, that, it doesn't matter but it still pisses me of. |
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a lot of people put emphasis on aspects of an artist or band that relates to the person or the packaging but not the art. it is completely natural for most people to do this, and it isn't necessarily wrong. especially in the context of a fan club or messageboard that revolves around an artist, many will find these facts or trivia to be interesting. there's nothing wrong with that either. unfortunately, many will overlook the fact that it has zero bearing on the finished art. who cares if someone is the best guitar player that ever lived if their music sucks? my point is that nobody is wrong... it's just two separate ways of looking at the art/artist. |
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oh my, that's even harsher that i would put it :D |
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i still think sean's own thoughts of his own music is well interesting. |
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tolstoyed - what's harsh about it? i'm just being honest... i hope no one took my comments personally or as a put-down. i thought it was a pretty reasonable thing to say. phob - so do i, actually. i read the interviews that get on here. i like finding out about their views on art and how they make music. |
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"who cares if someone is the best guitar player that ever lived if their music sucks?" what defines a good guitar player other than whether u like it? is there some other scale u use besides how much like some music to determine whether it's good or not? i remember a guy called ingwe j malmstein who used to make the crappest music but was able to leap from scale to scale very quickly like all the best prog guitarists. i never considered him good. |
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that's exactly what i was talking about. i should have said, "most proficient" or "best solos ever, man!!!!" or something. |
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yngve malmsteen <--- swedish fellow |
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yeah. i totally agree sometimes ppl say a musician's good when they mean they pass some kind of physical or mental test. it seems at odds with my definition of music which is just 'sound that i like'. really this is just an argument about the definition of music. |
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yet we are straying from the debate within the thread... really what i was trying to get at was that i can see why many people would find info about autechre would be interesting even if it doesn't have any bearing on the music they make. so let's all just get along since we're all winners here already - there's no need for arguments... :) |
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why? |
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because when many individuals first hear music that interests them, they seek out information about the parties involved with making the music. i think it's virtually unavoidable. and even if it was avoidable, i don't see what the harm is. |
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who said anything about harm? |
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it's reasonable to me, but i doubt other people would find it so. |
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if that's the case, then i apologize to anyone who might have read what i wrote and was put off by it. i guess i didn't make my point well enough. sorry about that. |
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I'm glad to heat how calculated their music is. To be honest, I was worried that it was actually random/not particularly worked out, and I was seeing things that weren't there. This may sound ridiculous, but generally I don't like enjoying something if it hasn't been made with skill and precision; the way music is made effects my enjoyment of it for some reason. For example, if I found out analord was made of acid presets of sample cds rather then original material off analog equipment, I would like it less. Finding out the huge amount certain artists sample other music and use presets really put me off their music. |
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Okay, I didn't read this thread but I would just like to say that Autechre are great live. Yes. |
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George_Kaplan, I fancy reading your posts; keep it up. |
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