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well, it's a least contradictory |
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how is it contradictory? |
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Ironic? You're wrong there mate. You're implying i can't "love, be at peace, not kill, be communtiy orientated, be respectfull of others" without a belief in a god - which is pretty silly. |
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...nor is it contradictory old chap! |
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It's all in the faith. Religion wouldn't exist if there was scientific evidence for it. |
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In my humble opinion morality comes from empathy, which comes from the insight that other people are not that much different from you. |
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Those are moral concepts which tell us what we 'ought' to do regarding human behavior. That implies purpose. To me, good and evil are terms that measure how close we are to fufilling that purpose. But the idea of purpose comes from a theistic viewpoint. I understand that an athiest can love, be at peace and all that. I just don't see what incentive he has. |
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agreed..... the wonder isn't in some all powerfull higher power but in whats all around us now... nature, humaness, the universe, time. I'm reminded of a quote from Arthur C Clarke who said something about aliens but one can say about god, that religious and athiests can agree on entirely: "if there is a god..... thats pretty amazing really" "if there isn't one, and its all a big unknowable process... well, thats EQUALLY amazing" I'd stick with the one that doesn't involve 2000 year-old human ideas about death and afterlife, thanks all the same |
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incentive? simple - for its own sake and it's a bit more satisfying than doing the opposite |
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i wanted to say something fancy about religion but i erased it, its too pointless. i only think that mankind invented higher powers because some things are not / can not be understood. as long as there is no proof for a - more or less - sentient higher being controlling our fate i have to explain life for myself with the most simple theory i can imagine. Randomness. So yes, we create our own fate. |
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oh shit i said something fancy about religion. |
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Awesome avatar. Jean-Michel is the man |
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I was baptised a Christian, but I don't go to church, or believe in the Bible or religion. |
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Studies have shown that people doing things for the sake of doing them - i.e., people who are intrinsically motivated - are happier and do a better job than people who are doing things because of other incentives - i.e., extrinsically motivated. But I guess some people need the carrot or the stick. |
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Jedi Chris, u r a perfect example of tradition in religion or in a family. Half of the people who celebrate Christmas don't even believe in Jesus. |
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But don't we celebrate the birth of Santa at Christmas? :S |
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In both athiesm and theism, choices must be made. Logic alone will not force you into either viewpoint. I guess it's all about your starting point. BTW From my experience, those 2000 yr old ideas on morals arn't that oudated. |
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1. kill unless ye be killed ? |
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What scripture is that? |
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arrgh!! I wanted to say don't kill unless ye be killed. It is all over now... Bah! |
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religion has got to be the most boring topic to ever talk about. |
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lets talk about something else |
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Politics perhaps? |
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Let's argue about operating systems! As a Linux zealot I look down on you mere Windows and Mac users. [just kidding, I don't even have Linux installed at the moment] |
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"It's all in the faith. Religion wouldn't exist if there was scientific evidence for it. " Not true. Buddhism is all about evidence, it just says "try my techniques, they worked for this guy (see how happy he is?)." |
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Achieving a state of bliss through the extinction of the self... If you desolve the self, how do you know you're in bliss? |
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so u can tell me that buddhism is 100% correct and there's no faith in believeing in it. It's as proven as a science? |
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There is no self, ultimately. All is one totality. The experience of that is total bliss, far different from a finite human understanding of "happy" versus "unhappy." BTW- I'm just a fan. I'm not really a boodist so much. |
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if there was a button that instantly kills myself without pain or hassle id be happy to push it |
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"so u can tell me that buddhism is 100% correct and there's no faith in believeing in it. It's as proven as a science?" Buddhism doesn't insist that it has the Truth, or that there really is something called Truth. In that respect, it's not a proposition for science to prove or disprove. It should be evaluated with empirical evidence, either it is worth practicing or it isn't. |
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i dont think u understand what i mean. WIthout FAITH in what you BELIEVE then you can't honestly believe it. FAITH is religion and if Buddhism does not involve any FAITH then it's not a RELIGION. Think about it, FAITH is another word for RELIGION right? |
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blah blah blah bla god is an atheist !! and jesus was a buddhist ...... |
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I'm not sure faith is the same as religion... at any rate, Buddhism is recognized as a world "religion" where in reality it is more like a method than anything else. I'm talking hardcore Dhammapada Buddhism, not the folky stuff where people have shrines to gurus like a modified common Hinduism. Buddhism has no explicit God, so in that respect it's vastly different from the Christian religion or faith if you want to call it that. |
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ok, let's leave this subject of religion. We said we'd change the subject and we will. So... Tony Blair ey? Bit of a nob |
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You're asking me? I live in the USA, my standards for such judgments have been lowered significantlt over the past four. |
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Do brits view Blair the way yanks view Bush? |
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Like I said before, I embrace all religion, I am free from all religion. |
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not many ppl in england actually like blair. I'm not sure how the yanks view bush |
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You're a slave to freedom |
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Let's say it's a good chance he won't be in office for another 4. |
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i'm a slave to delicious foods |
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Seriously though, I try to find whatever's true about each religion and discard what's not. |
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I have tried buddhism once.... |
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It's a religious smorgasbord! |
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after all i am a christian, even though it's not cool. |
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There's nothing uncool about not burning in Hell. |
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im also studying buddhism .. ill put it another way here for the board .. i found this made a lot of sense meditation is central to buddhist teaching. so buddhism works through experience, while some other religions are based on a belief. |
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i find buddhism is a bit of both. i like the techniques side of things - esp meditation, which seems to be independent of "religion" - but "buddhism" is still a religion. there is a normative element in there most definitely - there is a defined "point", an overall normative schema to all these techniques :: this does not follow directly from the techniques alone, if anything relies on ones predisposed beliefs / tendencies ... having said this, there is a lot of wisdom in: "you don't strenghten the weak by weakening the strong" (some pop-buddhist quote i read somewhere) |
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