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Just setting here tonight reading the messageboards, about the draft , war... and all.. how many of you all beleve there is a higher power, and that this is all destiny.. that mankind destroys its ownself.. I for one, have been an atheist for 2 years, just don't really know anymore.. Its all politics, just makes me sick, without us there nothing, I don't see why they think that can just make us do whatever.. I have a feeling were headed for some band times tho, b/c of mankinds never ending lack of stupidity |
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band = bad ,lol |
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religion is a neurological disorder. |
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religion was made by man. until the clouds part, and god says "Im real" why should I take the word of some other human? |
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and even if, for arguements sake, god gave us religion... it was a long time ago, and we all know how things get skewed. i mean, youve played the game in elementry school, where you wisper something to one person, and them to the next and so on, and the end phrase is always different by the time its over. well, religion has been around for thosands of years. you're telling me the message was intact for all that time? not even considering other factors, like people exploiting religion for self gain. |
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on one hand its probably true that all religions are archaic and flawed but on the other we cant lose sight of their goal - to help people find peace and their inner selves |
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i dont believe in religion persay...but im intensely spiritual..i read a LOT of religious text, Bhagadvita(can never spell that right), the Bible, Torah, Qu'ran, Gnostic gospels,etc etc....its at least interesting to see religion evolve from a historical respect....I respect anyone's belief in a faith, if it is an actual belief, and not only a statement said every 7 days or so...like most of the "religious" people Ive met. |
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It's about time we started having some band times. |
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and yes, zeus is totally correct. Religion isn't wrong, its the establishments that exploit what religion is really for. |
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i think religion is for those who have a gun to their heads and have nothing to do but pray to make themselves feel secure... or for people who are bored with life. but i'm an asshole.... don't hate me. |
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All religion is bad. And I stand by that. |
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it certainly can be bad for you if you allow it to replace your inner self. but in itself its only a collective of ideals |
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Yeah, and they are all wrong. |
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religion is a business. it cant exist in modern society without doing so. the fucking dali lama is selling books these days. because of that fact alone, the way in which the vast majority of these religions (establishments of) conduct themselves does not generally follow the irony that all of them profess peace. somehow these religions are being taken up like swords to brainwash people into believing god wants them to call a phone number on the screen and give him money. or god thinks they should go into a refugee camp and start aimlessly killing people. its a parody of itself...because religion is a joke. haha. liek that one liner "thou shalt not kill." thats comedy. |
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we will be quite lucky if this war shit has no religious basis. |
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i prefer floating. floating through some space where at normal times I feel I am alone, a biological creature. But when things happen that my mind cannot explain, I obviously look toward a higher being. I switch backa dn forth quite often, and therefore only "truely beleive" in the object that at the time gets me through the period I am experiencing. Goodhands Team, It wasn't quite a business thousands of years ago, so don't go talking like that , now. Although corrupt people have abused it (as you've stated). Yikes !!! Long thread ahead! |
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its no secret that traditional buddhists beg for their food .. or that monastaries are built on donations, or 'dana' .. but its clear to me that religon is not just a money making exercise. |
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I am athiest. When you die, your corpse is absorbed into the earth (or burned, depending on your preference) |
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and what of your w33nur? |
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your w33nur becomes worm food |
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All dogs go to Heaven. It's a rule. They made a movie about it. |
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I am a Christian. I believe that the God of the bible is the real deal and the whole package that comes with it is objectivly true. I also think that evil is most effective when it flaunts itself as good. It is all trojan horses and poisoned apples. It should be no suprise if the same thing happens in religion, so don't base your entire opinion on Benny Hinn and the crusades. |
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I'm a Christian. I do not know what God is, though. But he/it exists, and is very disapointed with us, collectively. As for what happens when I die... check back in 60 years, and I might have a theory. |
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'religion' doesn't have to '=' monotheism, or a theism for that matter. It can function as a nice allegory - a noble lie as it were. However, I don't see the nobility in necessarily considering oneself a "sinner". Similarly, I struggle to see the nobility in the search for truth at any price - for essentially nothing. Truth as God! |
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actually, and funny enough, it WAS a business a thousand years ago. as specific as re-enactments using product placement to ADVERTISE the various sponsors of the products used in such religious ceremonies. but i was speaking more to right now. you know like how right now all of the major western occupations AND other world conflicts are representing two religions bumping heads. us/mideast - pakistan/india - israel/(i would put a countries name here, but the palestinian state has been dismantled). religion should be internal. thats what all the religions actually say anyway. christianity has more blood on its bloody hands than any other organization throughout recorded history. easily. yet-so prevelant. yet, so rich. yet, so powerful. cultures that so actively embrace religion are doomed to their own flawed and fractured ideoligies. like israel. or anyother religious state. or any other state that imposes entire culture facelifts like somekind of reality show. |
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa religion is a cage all ..... all those psuedo good community things and such is just to deter you from finding yourself .... if any of you want to walk the walk... try leaving your body and go up and check for yourself .... |
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i love theological discussions :) |
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i find practicing christians tend to wear sandals with socks, which is totally uncool. |
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its a phonemenon |
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... but comfortable ... *heh* O_o |
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I think humans too will go the way of the dinosaur. It'd be interesting to think that in a mess of years, there'd be some species that digs up our remains and puts them in museums, setting us up in poses they presume we would have made. The skin color would be all off, and the dominant religion of the time would declare our fossils to be "tests of faith", being that our existence predates their doctrines. |
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..............wicked |
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If you look at the way humans have evolved, it's quite obvious we're going to become aquatic at some point - As the water levels rise no doubt. Webbed hands & feet, streamlined body hair & tear ducts, gills in early foetal development.... primates have none of these characteristics. The fact of the matter is, we know nothing of our environment - We don't know what 90% of the universe is made up of - We don't actually know what matter is (M-Theory has replaced string theory) - We don't know what awareness is.... All you really know is that you're here now, and either you believe in a higher intelligence behind everything, and an ultimate unity in all things - Or you see the universe as billions of atoms floating in a cold dark space. The difference in your perspective is undoubtably nothing more than a insight into your state of mind and emotional well being.. Don't kid yourself it's any more than that - But neglecting spirituality will leave a gapeing hole in your life, as the parts of the brain which actually separate us from animals are very much designed for these things.. And belief in God is hardwired into you whether you can rationalize it or not. |
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"If you look at the way humans have evolved" actually, you can't do that, 'cause we're not sure we HAVE evolved... there has been no significant evolvement in recorded history, and findings from past ages could be other, extinct races... nothing is for certain, nothing is true. |
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Guess what! Humans have the capacity to love, be at peace, not kill, be communtiy orientated, be respectfull of others and all that stuff religion trys to instill through mumbo jumbo WITHOUT the mumbo jumbo. It just take a little fucking effort! Shiting on about an obvious man-made concept like God is getting us nowhere fast! I do think rituals, religious meettings, choirs and all that are good but lets leave out the god thing and celebrate humaness. I fucking am my own god! |
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True, Ophecks, I don't really expect myself, being only 21 years of age, to have a true grasp on religion, nor its concepts. I know as I get older, I will slowly learn and hopefully understand. Until then, no debating about religion for me. |
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to take a tangent from what jswift said about awareness it is said that true wisdom is total awareness awareness is such a profound thing. this truly does become apparent through meditation .. an awareness of the nature of consciousness still seems like an almost unfathomable thing to me, but i feel im beginning to glean an understanding of what does and doesnt help it to unfold |
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i agree .. one thing i Do believe is that people are gentle and compassionate by nature .. and that we become otherwise through negative conditioning |
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agreed |
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You can't go around saying what's right and wrong because the truth is... Nobody knows. I am a Christian and I'm not ashamed of it. I think that if nobody knows what happens after you die then nobody has the right to say that others beliefs are wrong. This means that everyone is right until proven wrong. A person with Christian beliefs is the same as a person with Buddhist. The ideas aren't the same but whether they are right are exactly the same. For example; You could make up a religion now and stand by it. This new religion that you have made will be just as correct about life after death as the next religion (AS NOBODY KNOWS!). You see what I'm getting at here? Be careful how you use the word, 'religion', as it means 'way of life'. |
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could people stop badgering religion? it's bad, but it's also good. equally much of both. it keeps itself in equilibrium. |
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I want to say something. |
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there are errors, and then there are beautiful errors ... |
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Yeah, my own theory on the whole thing is that awareness is a fundamental of the universe - Otherwise you whole existance and "self" boils down to a particular "arrangement" of matter in a small region of your central cortex. I think before birth you're just a unified part of this (living) universe - And the individuality you are aware of now is just a projection created by the brain for the survival of the body.. So you see people with this natural urge to get back to that "unified" state - Through a lot of thing: drugs, computers, phones, internet, meditation, etc... You see the telecommunications lines like neural connectors, and us as insignificant nodes in a greater collective. And most people aren't even aware of this. It's obvious the brain is capable of this, especially if you look at multiple personality disorder - The brain can create as many completely separate entities and personalities as it wants. When you die, a small piece of the universe doesn't die with you - To me, the only thing that'll die is the illusion that you're ever separate from the greater whole in the first place. |
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excellent |
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J Swift - you read Nietzsche's Birth of Tragedy? |
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Nietzsche has some great readings. |
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indeed ... the development and scope of his thought is quite extraordinary. |
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"Humans have the capacity to love, be at peace, not kill, be communtiy orientated, be respectfull of others and all that stuff religion trys to instill through mumbo jumbo WITHOUT the mumbo jumbo." There's nothing more ironic than a moral atheist... |
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thats not ironic at all. |
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