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having said this, there is a lot of wisdom in: "you don't strenghten the weak by weakening the strong" (some pop-buddhist quote i read somewhere) I never knew Ayn Rand was a buddhist! |
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now you know ;) i don't actually know how compatible that quote is with buddhism .. mm.. |
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siddhartha shrugged |
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as kurt vonnegut recently stated: "For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes. But, often with tears in their eyes, they demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course that’s Moses, not Jesus. I haven’t heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere. “Blessed are the merciful” in a courtroom? “Blessed are the peacemakers” in the Pentagon? Give me a break!" |
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yeah youre right .. you can differentiate between a non-religious meditator and a buddhist because the buddhist has a belief in the four noble truths |
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however the way buddhism sees it, these truths become apparent through discipline and meditation .. rather than being a foundation for belief. its true that the concepts are there anyway in teaching, but theyre nothing more than theory until they are brought into practise |
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unconcealing the truths rather than absorbing them. (?) |
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yeah thats the impression im getting .. very interesting :) |
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So did you guys get it all sorted out yet? |
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yeah this is the calmest theological discussion ive ever seen on here :) im happy! |
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yeah ... i like that. at this stage though i prefer a more confucian cosmology - but i get the feeling that "self-mastery" (self-discovery) is still a very similar thread in both traditions :: |
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Theology is for mindless cretins. |
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dont start :( thats only your opinion. |
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ive not read about confuscionism for a long time .. can you summarise it? |
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haha .. shit. well ... crudely put it is more concerned with "The Way" - which involves practical knowledge, where this knowledge is embodied in ones behaviour and actions (understanding through action). The Way is the harmonious ideal - a constellation that manages one's needs and desires. Once one has attained the way (after years of practice) - this becomes an end in itself - ie. The Way is desired. RE: cosmology, there is a symmetry between wei and wu-wei (i can't remember which is which), but wei (i think) refers to heaven and earth - basically "nature" - e.g. the seasons. There is a premise not to anthropomorphise nature (ie. it doesn't rain because someone is angry) - but there are cycles we can discover in nature, and wu-wei is the harmonious counterpart to these cycles ["artificial/technical knowledge that isn't inherent in nature"]. It doesn't require that everything has a cycle that can be discovered - i.e. shit does happen - but by and large it makes for a sustainable way of life. eg. not to hunt animals in spring (when they've had their young) ... The key word is "ritual order" - which basically functions as a sign post to wu-wei ... they may appear to be arbitrary, but they function on a very pragmatic basis. The rules aren't "truths" as such - but they correspond to the way. e.g. funeral ritual are the most socially significant rites - as it recognises the powerful and potentially dangerous emotions that loved ones experience etc. In short, The Way aims for: intra-psychic harmony, inter-personal (social) harmony, and above all harmony between nature and mankind |
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thats quite something .. gives me an image of a broad map of causes and effects, one which is as you say balanced .. straight away my mind is responding with a mandala |
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hehe .. well its more "necessity" than "cause&effect" - though the cause and effect is maybe derived from the discovered necessities? or cause and effect functions more as an allegory? because it doesn't concern itself with a causa sui. don't know .. having said this - the ritual order may well take a "superstitious" form to entice such "mindless cretins" in which case there might well be a "causa sui" - e.g. sun? its an elegant and beautiful "system" though - maybe too beautiful ;) |
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im getting a better picture now .. the means and goals are, in a nutshell, positive karma (cause + effect) ? |
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yeah .. that's probably a good way to translate it |
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