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i think the ha ha! was for the "original empire builders" quote :) |
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life is violence the problem of life is violence the solution requires a way of dealing with violence pacifism as such only aims to escape violence ? |
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mmmh babelizing marlowes first post : In the past it could observe my shutdowns of the tendencies for the fortified return and all'aumento. Nevertheless j'ai warmed up this plus and the direction in frontal of the facade does not come to the summary from this this n'est dell'effetto no. Public exceeding therefore l'atto of dò of the violence like half, despite the temptation can come from her. (thanx to whoever it was who posted the link) |
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If someone lunges at you with a knife, it is possible to disarm them without resorting to violence. It just requires some KNOWLEDGE. |
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marlowe, i know what you mean, and dont be presumptuous with your capital "knowledge". :) i didnt talk about violence but defence. (mind you im probably being a bit defencive now, sorry ) |
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The sum radius of a circle is the circ... circ... *gergle* *die* bolocks is knowledge a defense, confidence + know how + will is a solid defense. just remember no one deserves to get it in the shins or the balls more than the person on the receiving end of you size 12 steelies. -- DoctorMO -- |
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If someone lunges at you with a knife the truly enlightened man will allow himself to be stabbed. It is clearly punishment for eating hamburgers in a past life, possibly with bacon, in which case the knife will be Very Large and Pointy. |
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Perhaps you should rent "Ghandi". Good movie |
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Tyring to reinforce some stereotypes there, I see Fleety :P |
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If it was McDonald's it would be a butter knife with Clostridium botulinum antigen on it. |
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You see, my aim as an Agent of Evil here is twofold - by perpetuating stereotypes I aim to perpetuate the cycle of violence. People who feel victimized or dismayed by violence need to get onboard the money train by investing in companies like Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon. That way, everone's a winner. |
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Stereotypes exist for a reason- people who believe that there is no credence in any stereotype are, at best overly idealistic and at worst, politically correct zealots who would love to instigate an order of "thought police" if they could. Discuss. |
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or just a relaxed order of thought that's at best lazy and most allows people to make excuses for otherwise unpermissible acts. I know it's always used as an example, but the Nazi's really do show what can happen when you take a population and subject it to stereotypical propaganda. Oh look they get all the breaks, while we suffer, they get all the hand outs and the easy life while we work hard under stress for our breaks. if anyone deserves the breaks it's us. it ends with you mass murdering an entire people. |
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It sometimes seems to me that absolute sweeping generalizations are used by certain people - people who are uncomfortable with complexity and doubt - as a means to attain peace of mind by simplifying their worldview. It's the kind of thing people do in their late teens when they're "searching". That's why they join cults and become martyrs - that and the appealing sense of drama they obtain by polarizing the world into black and white terms and fancying themselves on the "right" side. |
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* by cults I also mean political and philosophical cults like objectivism, communism, neo-conservatism and Chomskyism. |
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Don't you think that people often shy too far away from things like (humane) eugenics, simply because of the association with the Nazis? The reason I italicised those words in my preceding post is to make the distinction between stereotypes and all stereotypes. Certainly many stereotypes are woefully innaccurate and it's definately wrong to not give people a chance to prove they do not adhere to any stereotype you may have about them. |
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cults are a body of people that keep themselves enthralled by their own fear. how that can relate to a political state in result is hard to imagine, although I guess you mean as a means to join a cult rather. |
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"cults are a body of people that keep themselves enthralled by their own fear." Yep... cults' power stems from making the followers believe it is completely neccessary. |
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I'm sorry, I just don't see a damn bit of difference between Hare Krishnas, WTO protestors, Objectivists, the guys who man Lyndon LaRouche information booths and the guys who dress up as Klingons at science fiction conventions. |
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I have a better method of handling mental patients who insist on speaking Klingon, but it only works if you haven't renounced violence. |
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has hell frozen over? |
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"If someone lunges at you with a knife, it is possible to disarm them without resorting to violence. It just requires some KNOWLEDGE." i don't disagree with you re: the lunging knife attack ... but there are plenty of instances where pacificsm as a principle will need to resort to more dissociative knowledge (i.e. ultimately of another world). this is not to say that it isn't a successful defence mechanism, and in some instances this might be unavoidable. it just seems pacificsm, as a principle is rather pessimistic, and seems much more like an ideology that colours propogaters of violence as bad - and by inference comforts themselves with the knowledge of being good. however by doing so it seems to place more value on others than on oneself - and makes for quite a self-persecuting principle. i'm not saying this principle is wrong or right ... however to claim that pacifism as a principle is right, or morally good seems quite limiting, if not unecessarily resentful? |
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did you get yourself into trouble young man? |
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ceri: what do you mean by "humane eugenics?" i agree that simply the association eugenics has with nazism isn't grounds to reject it ... but erm ... still sounds a bit like an oxymoron to me? |
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aa! I hate when discussions get so big that it would be too much of a bother to read it all, and still this is a topic that greatly interests me (ethics is one of my favourite subjects, and I plan on angling my philosophy-degree towards it in the end...) could someone tell me what the current topic is (they tend to change often through a thread with over 70 posts...)? |
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I hate violence. REALLY hate it I've never had a fight in my life. Only ever hit a girl once in school cause she was bullying me and she didn't hit back. I've been threatend with fights etc, but I've always been able to talk my way out of them, and I'm always the one helping other people talk through their problems as apposed to fighting them out belive people fight when they can't express their feelings calmly, or just bottle everything up If someone has a problem with me or something I'm doing I prefer to be told than hit, don't you? |
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re: talking your way out. Yeah, I've talked my way out of quite a few fights.. strangely enough by insulting the people who are picking the fight, but that's a whole different story... when it comes to using reason over fists, there aren't really that many people who think about it.. some have just grown up in places where force is the way to go if they have a problem. Like children who were abused.. if they have been around violence from day 1, how should they REALLY know that it is wrong? |
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could someone tell me what the current topic is (they tend to change often through a thread with over 70 posts...)? It came down to the best way to cook and eat Norwegian persons. OH YEAH baby we gonna treat you like LUTEFISK |
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haha! FUCK LUTEFISK! "Smalahovve" iz da zhizzo! (btw: best way to cook and eat Norwegians: put a bathtub on a fire, fill it up with 50 litres of water, add two pinces of salt, a bag of flour, and some sugar. Boil for three days, and then remove skin. Let it cool off, remove the meat from the bones, and put it in the skin with herbs. Put it in the still-hot ashes of the fire, and let it lie there for three more days. Avoid being caught by the police, and you've got a meal) |
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Last year I was held up by three youths, armed with knives ( posted a thread about it at the time)... although surrounded, and with a knife to my throat, I evaded all three by following the instincts honed by Shaolin training. There was no violence involved. |
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No violence? What about in films? |
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Cool. |
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you'rre all so funny. like people who walk theirr rrabbit. |
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violence is fun as long as no-one gets hurt |
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:) |
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*kicks all nuit in the head since it doesnt really hurt anyway* :D |
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*walks rabbit* |
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Paul - will you still be GABBASHING dole bludging teenagers? :@ |
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pussy |
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hippie |
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Well what about violence as a form of self defence? |
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violence should be the last option.. so.. if everything else fails.. |
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how about violence as an ends? |
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drunken: that definition of "failure" surely amounts to "tolerance" if its looked at in light of pacifism the principle. That's not to say that violence is necessarily the wise option, but it might be in some cases - surely? |
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that's ok. IJEST! |
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