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promo
from United Kingdom on 2004-03-15 07:21 [#01108550]
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Well I'm looking forward to the Liberal Democrats coming into power. With their half baked loony ideas they should really fuck the country up.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-15 07:24 [#01108553]
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hmm... did i say all that?
i just think it's a dangerously slippery slope to cede things to groups who use baltant terrorist acts as their main negotiating tool.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 07:25 [#01108557]
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That will never happen. And sadly we don't really have a viable opposition to the current governement as the conservatives are as bad, but people like Claire Short and Robin Cook should have had proper public support to effect change within the party and oust Blair. It is a well known fact Columbo didn't want to go to war and he has done a pretty good job as Chancellor of the Exch. I would have liked him to have been given the opportunity.
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-15 07:27 [#01108560]
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I think people should let the Spanish people decide. They used their democratic right to vote in this new government. People who claim they are "weak", and are "giving in to terrorists", need to realise that such remarks are insulting and patronising to an intelligent race with a deep history.
There is nothing worse than people mouthing off without studying the facts.
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2004-03-15 07:27 [#01108562]
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doesn't englad have like 7000 political parties? (none of these are able to win an election except for the few large ones, but there ARE LOTS AND LOTS of parties, right?!)
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 07:29 [#01108568]
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Anyone can set up a political party...you just have to be able to pay the small retainer to enter into elections which you get back if you poll above a certain number of votes.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-15 07:30 [#01108572]
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I cant believe mods didnt close this thread
insulting spanish people?
childrentalking this is the last time I write a post to you, from now on you dont exist for me
(I know anyway you dont give a shit about that)
and your misinformation is really pathetic btw
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-03-15 07:31 [#01108578]
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same in sweden.
We have stuff like "the beer party"
Aaahh! True democracy =)
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2004-03-15 07:32 [#01108579]
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*partie
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-15 07:32 [#01108580]
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I concur
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-15 07:34 [#01108584]
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I just flicked on to Fox News and all they are talking about is how the Terrorists have won.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 07:37 [#01108587]
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fox news=british??
and i presume they're not related to any political party? :)
idiots
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 07:38 [#01108592]
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This is the same Fox News wo had to interrupt a conversation about the drug scandel in the NHL to go live to Spain to hear the prime minister give his speech, but not showing it all so they could get bad to the NHL topic.
Fox News = US Government Propaganda Machine.
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pantalaimon
from Winterfell (United Kingdom) on 2004-03-15 07:38 [#01108593]
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Fox News is a completely retarded American news channel
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 07:40 [#01108596]
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haha, it makes sense then.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 07:40 [#01108597]
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Fox News is US...part of the Rupert Murdoch family of companies and sister station to Sky News whos mission statement seems to consist of nothing more than to discredit the BBC.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-15 07:40 [#01108598]
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"fox news" = an oxymoron
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zazen
on 2004-03-15 07:42 [#01108602]
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Aznar backing war in Iraq against the wishes of his country = undemocratic
Zapatero winning election = democratic
now lets guess, which one will the american right complain about the most??
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 07:42 [#01108604]
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i stopped watching tv for some reason...but i remember some years back, like during the 1st gulf war, cnn and sky news were always on.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 07:44 [#01108610]
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you put it all wrong there...
aznar - trying to keep spain safe
zapatero - doing what terrorists want
now lets guess, which one will the american right complain about the most??
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 07:44 [#01108611]
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I only watch TV very rarely now. Normally only at times of major incident becase the levels of misreporting amuses me.
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mc_303_beatz
from Glasgow, Scotland on 2004-03-15 07:46 [#01108615]
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were you being ironic there? I hope so
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 07:48 [#01108617]
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well yes, but that's how they see it...at least some of them
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 07:49 [#01108619]
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hehe, yeah, that could be fun.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-15 08:08 [#01108645]
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I can't blame the spainish people. That's why I don't beleieve the UN is useful. A war should be between the parties directly involved. Otherwise you have a recipe for World War. And getting innocent soldiers killed over a foriegn dispute is bad. The US government is far from perfect, but our system does provide opportunities for growth and I can't help but think that Socialist Europe is much more interesting and probably profits greatly from the excesses of the US.
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 08:10 [#01108650]
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hehehe...typical doodle dandy.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-15 08:11 [#01108653]
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Unless the the enemy is invading at a rapid rate. Like the Nazis'. Allies are needed at that point. Different circumstance. But there's a lot of grey area there.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-15 08:13 [#01108657]
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I'm the doodle dandy?
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 08:13 [#01108658]
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Oh yes the US...such good friends and allies who refused to get involved in the second world war until the Jap's bombed Pearl Harbour.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-15 08:16 [#01108663]
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Why are we the only ones expected to be the big benevolent giants? fuck you. I never said we were snow fucking white. ya wee cunt!
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2004-03-15 08:17 [#01108665]
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isn't that Spain in your avatar childrenTalking?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-15 08:22 [#01108671]
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bombing pearl harbor. That's a pretty rapid rate.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-15 08:22 [#01108673]
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no, it's franklin north carolina (u.s.a.)
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 08:29 [#01108680]
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No that just means that...as normal the US only got involved when they have been affected directly...not because they want to help or aide friends.
Oddly Pearl Harbour was not the start of World War II, in the same way that terrorist acts did not begin on the 11th of September 2001. The US is a selfish nation purely out for themselves.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-15 08:33 [#01108684]
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not to be nit picky, but we were offering some help to the brits and whatnot before pearl harbor. we had planes, ships, and supplies over there (even some men), and we were blockading the fuck out of japan... hence they were none to happy with us.
but yeah... we notched things up a bit when we were sucker punched in the nads with a mallet.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2004-03-15 08:37 [#01108688]
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Well, then the US acts like every other fucking country on the earth, ecnadniarb. Isn't that the point of this thread?
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avart
from nomo' on 2004-03-15 08:43 [#01108694]
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"our system does provide opportunities for growth"
yeah for rich people and builders of prisons...
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-15 08:43 [#01108695]
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and the us certainly isn't a modle of self sacrifice, but i challenge you to find a nation of moderate size that is. it's hard to justify to people's moms why you're sending their sons and daughters to die for other people's problems.
and, as far as foreign aid is concerned; i don't have time to look up statistics, but i'd be willing to bet 'merica is pretty high on the list of countries offering aid to others.
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epohs
from )C: on 2004-03-15 08:43 [#01108696]
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wtf is a modle? is that a metrosexual dog or something?
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nacmat
on 2004-03-15 11:06 [#01108877]
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spain wanted change, thats all
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-03-15 11:07 [#01108881]
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i hope it goes well for you all
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nacmat
on 2004-03-15 11:10 [#01108884]
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thanks pusher of my virgins
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melack
from barcielwave on 2004-03-15 11:19 [#01108896]
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ehem...
ignorance is the most pathetic thing of a satisfied american...
hey nac! satisfecho con los resultados?
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nacmat
on 2004-03-15 11:21 [#01108899]
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mucho!
no aguantaba ni un minuto mas de gobierno facha
espero que el psoe cumpla, y realmente sea socialista.
pero atras han quedado 200 muertos, que terrible pena
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melack
from barcielwave on 2004-03-15 11:28 [#01108910]
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a quien votaste tu (si no es mucho preguntar)?
yo a ERC, que han multiplicado por 8 sus escaños y por 5 sus votos...
que te parece a ti, como buen madrileño de espiritu catalan, el ascenso del nacionalismo (no patriotico-centralista)?
fuck PP fuck aznar fuck rubbish!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 11:33 [#01108919]
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were there any statistics about how different age groups voted?
is there a site about it?
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nacmat
on 2004-03-15 11:33 [#01108923]
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vote al psoe
normalmente voto al izquierda unida, porque creo que el comunismo no debe desaparecer, al menos es bueno que sea una fuerza politica extensa para que la cosa no se "derechalice" mucho, sabes?, como contrapunto.
pero esta vez vote por el cambio, y eso era votar psoe
en verdad yo soy mas socialista que comunista, pero hasta ahora no votaba al psoe porque estaban un poco deshechos, por eso votaba a IU.
respecto a ERC, no te puedo decir, no conozco en profundidad, desde madrid se ven como un poco radicales, pero eso puede tener que ver con la manipulacion mediatica que nos inyectan.
estoy a la expectativa, pues no me gusto que Carod hablase con ETA
esta es mi sincera opinion
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ecnadniarb
on 2004-03-15 11:34 [#01108924]
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muchos de odio.
Espero que el cambio traiga un futuro mejor.
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nacmat
on 2004-03-15 11:34 [#01108926]
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those statistiscs are impossible as votes are anonimous
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2004-03-15 11:36 [#01108933]
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yes, but usually (at least the do it in our country) the media makes paralel (?) elections, just to see the statistics...hmm
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