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as far as I could agree with many things joyrex said, I must say that in my opinion calling us (or whoever) "sad fucks" was way too much. |
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haha, this is awesome! thanks a bunch jaroen |
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You're right - I apologize for the harsh language, and I think everyone knows it wasn't directed at xlt as a whole, mostly at JAroen and those who participated in the act of stealing the tracks. |
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shutup man, seriously, its not theft and if it is those goddamn cry babies can take their money loving asses else were, I mean goddamnit why the fuck does this electronic scene in particular so hell bent over making money? it was supposed to be about music. they make their money from shows and merch, and hardly any from cd sales, and even so, regardless they should stop being such cry babies, so what if we are stealing it? its been happenening the whole damn time the 'net has existed and it hasnt hurt them at all. STEAL AWAY, FUCK THE ARTIST IF THEY CANT HANDLE THAT. Music should damn near be free for christ sake. |
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no prob I ve read some good news about watmm at the tavcom forum, good luck, and thanks for your efforts. looking forward to posting there again |
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well, this thread is about to crash, and I am tired of being mr flanders today come on reflex |
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the mp3's aren't that well cut+pasted.. pretty crap. so i'll def will get the mp3's from bleep.com on the 26th |
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OK, using your (twisted) logic, Tom can go get a day job (since he should be able to 'handle' not making any money off the music) and since his day job would wear him out, he'll have less (if any) time to make music, thus releasing less, and you, the listener, getting to hear less. Take your head out of your arse before you speak, man. |
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That's one saving grace in all this -the preview samples are only 90kzh or so, so the quality is not there, but for some, they're good enough and will dissuade them from actually buying the album since they've already heard it. Would you go and pay to see a movie on the big screen if you could go and watch the DVD at a friend's house? Of course you wouldn't, except in rare instances where a movie has to be seen on a big screen to be fully enjoyed. Same thing for music - some people won't be as willing to spend the money on it once they've heard enough of it. |
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JAroen, you're my hero and if warp's going to bill you, you can send me the check. For now, i think its better to cut the crap and see what warp's reaction is to all this...if they even react; im sure they've expected this to happen. |
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you twat joyrex. it wan't it you who was pretty quick off the mark to point out you already had a copy of the album? so you can listen to it, and tell us how great it is but when the plebs of normal society somehow manage in their ingenious way to get hold of it, you resent it like the world was going to end? |
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i was thinking something like that..well mainly, joyrex don't you get some releases before they come out? |
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It seems slightly unfair to give Joyrex a hard time over this "sad fucks" affair when if you look at the bottom of JAroens page with the tracks on it says "fuck watmm!" now who's the baby? |
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I asked joyrex not to insult so I have to ask you and anyother member not to insult him please lets discuss this with respect |
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joyrex has said that he does NOT have UV..but i remember phob talking he got it... |
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nacmat you should be a mod dude |
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yeah. 16000+ posts and still no mod. unbelievable (not that everybody with a huge amount of posts should be(come) a mod or anything, but after that amount of good quality nacmat posts you would expect....etc) |
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Joyrex: no, get your head out of YOUR ass! Because your just kissing ass to some artist im sure, i mean it seems that way. Fuck tom up the ass if he cant handle people wanting to take his music for free! Some people would encourage this as what really matters happens, more people get to hear his stuff, what his music has a price on it? for fucks sake get over yourself and get over the idea that music should cost money. |
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thanks! great point. I personally believe people should view it in a whole before listening because i am sick and tired of buying a release that only has 2-3 good songs on it and the rest are subpar. I download albums to get a feel for them and see if they meet acquired tastes. I could care less if warp and or rephlex and or any other label has standards and the next release might be great. I want to hear it and judge for myself. If i like it i buy it. If it sucks then it's recycle bin time. Our buddy J was just looking out for us and did a favor for people like me to which i thank him tremendously. Think of the number of people disappointed by smojphace. I dont know if this makes sense but its hard for me to put my thoughts down on this. |
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in the old days, you'd buy an album, spend ten times longer on it than you do now, and learn to appreciate tracks that you now skip over |
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what you said makes perfect sense |
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Damn right fuck WATMM, them and their bastard webmaster never seem to have anything better to talk about than how crap this place is. Jesus. That's all I'm saying on the subject. RE: Thread well 90khz cut and paste OMG I DUN NEED THE ALBUM |
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Music sharing/stealing is great, fuck the artist for being a little pussy ..... that cant handle that, its not like this p2p thing is new or anything, and as well why should we have to pay for their tunes anyway? music should be fuckin free, and until their releases are 5 bucks a piece im never paying, unless i really really like the album, at which point ive already downloade the whole damn thing anyways. And yes i have more than enough money to buy all the cds I want, but I chose not to because of what I believe. music is way too expensive these days, and im not going to believe that whole starving artist thing anymore. bunch of whiners. |
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jumpers for goalposts, fuck dolby, taping from radio, tucker jenkins, conkers in autumn, synthpop, penny chews, the old bigger 10 pence coin |
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Jarworksi: its just blatant jealousy man... I mean come on.... hahahaha. RE: I dont give a shit about downloading these crappy tracks, but I will anyway now. |
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i like xlt, except for the crap you've just produced :D :P ;) seriously though, do you see any diff. in the way xlt'ers talk about watmm and vice versa? if you do, please tell, because i can't see them. then again, im stupid, so please ignore my post. |
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The way I see it - I can go into an art gallery (for free) look at the paintings enjoy the work while I'm there, and have the choice to purchase a piece. The same should be true with music. I should be able to hear a whole album, and decide if it meets my tastes. Maybe if they set up some sort of time released mp3s (like a demo application) I don't know. Whatever! |
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man, what a self righteous ass. |
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JAroen asked me to let you guys know that the way he thinks about all this just can be read on and in addition to that he wanted to let you all know that anyone who thinks he's a l33t muzic thi3f is mentally disturbed |
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Thanks JAroen. l33t, yes. |
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and i might add that i agree with JAroen there oh and on a whole other note i'd like to thank you joyrex for letting me d/l the windowlicker and come to daddy video from your site (back in the day when there still was a site) that way i didn't have to buys them videos in the store, obviously we both agree that afx has made money enough already ey :) |
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Really well put. That gets the DEEPSPACE9MM SEAL OF APPROVAL. |
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hahaha, how can people get so upset over this...im sure everyone who's interested in getting those mp3's will get them eventually, and im sure everyone who was thinking of getting this release will still buy it. it doesn't matter, no one is stealing nothing here, warp will get their money, sooner or later... if they don't wan't it to leak they shouldn't have send out those promos, and now this bleep thing...instead they could easily just release it in two weeks or whatever and prevent people from "stealing". btw, 1$ per song is silly, im sure everyone will rather wait for mp3's to come on slsk...im sure if it would be 0,5$ they would seel much more - imo. anyway, im glad i got those mp3's :) |
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i dont really like downloading ....sometimes im curious but thats about it. i like records and cds and artwork and dont mind paying. im not a big fan of records companies in general, in fact the bigger they get the more i hate them. but i think its cool if tom jenkinson can live off doing music.... i understand most point of views in this thread though i think REFLEX is a right plonker. :D |
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i meant "record companies" not that it matters..... |
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I never said I had a copy of UV - quite the contrary, I said I had not gotten a pomo of it - it was your illustrious webmaster Phobia that mentioned he had a copy in a thread detailing Ultravisitor's tracklisting. You should change your avatar to a robotic donkey now as it's more fitting :) |
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I've gotten promos before, but I've often provided sound samples (where allowed) and promoted the upcoming release by doing a mini review, like I did with Boom Bip, Christ, LFO, Chris Clark, etc. |
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I'm all for the whole "it's about the music, silly" idea and ethos, but you also have to realize, this is their livelyhood - regardless of their musical motivations (RDJ's "so I don't have to get a real job"), they have to support themselves and their families. It would be like if someone came up to you on payday and took part of your cheque for no reason at all - that's what you do when you take away chances for people to legitimately buy music by stealing or pirating it. |
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Yeah, but the difference there was the videos were nowhere near the quality of the originals, where the quality leap from these MP3s is not as great to CD versus quicktime to VHS or even DVD, where the leap in quality (not to mention being able to watch it on a normal television instead of your computer) is huge. WARP themselves have the videos up too - what's the difference then? You can do better than that, can't you? |
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you haven't got a copy eh? i wondered why you were being so defensive. i'll change my avatar to a robotic donkey if you change yours to a high horse |
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"And yes i have more than enough money to buy all the cds I want, but I chose not to because of what I believe. music is way too expensive these days, and im not going to believe that whole starving artist thing anymore. bunch of whiners." You sound like a spoilt rich kid... which you probably are, and don't know the value of a dollar (US or Canadian). You're just trying to justify your own lack of morals when it comes to downloading music. |
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I honestly don't have a copy - trust me, I wish WARP had sent me one, but they haven't, otherwise I would have done a review with short sound clips like I did with the other promos I've gotten from them before. I've got to wait just like the rest of you for UV, and I'm willing to wait or download legitmate MP3s. I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou about his, in fact, I'm being selfish in the respect I don't want some twat fucking up Bleep for myself and the rest of us - I want Bleep to succeed for myself and for the artists. Oh, and before anyone brings up the inevitable "don't you download Mp3s Joyrex?" attack; yes, I do download MP3s of already released or out-of-print music to either a) decide if I want to buy or delete the Mp3s or b) since it's out of print, this is the only way (until now thanks to Bleep) I can hear them. If the song is reissued (like Twoism) I go and buy that then. I'm a music collector, just like a lot of people here. |
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Music is not too expensive these days, i do believe that its quite cheap, when has it been more cheaper? And about this whole squarepusher/bleep thing, imo warp knew that this was gonna happen. There are so many eager squarepusher fans who really want the album, and would do anything to get the whole release. so this aint a big deal. |
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And joyrex, a little thing like this will not "fuck up" bleep. I think that the whole thing can be quite successful. But a small thing like this will not bring it down. when the squarewindow (the first exclusive release through bleep) will be released through it, i think 100's of people will buy it there. I would allso if i had a paying option. |
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so wait a second, you are calling these guys 'sad fucks' for doing something that warp knew full well you would be capable of doing? Like most people here I have probably given warp thousands of dollars over the years in buying records, cd, tshirts, videos, shows, etc. and I am not a rich dude by any means, I just love the music. So if we want to paste together some shitty quality mp3's to hear something before its out who are you to judge? Ridiculous. |
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I have no problem with fans personally doing this (and more importantly keeping it to themselves), but to go and distribute it like JAroen did (which he had no right to do) was wrong and pathetic. If WARP wanted you to hear the full track in any other manner than 30 second snippets, they would have had the track on streaming radio or some other format. |
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i personally can't see the difference... and warp isn't going to sell any more or any less because of what jaroen did. and i wouldn't worry too much about warp either, they pay their artists shitty as it is. |
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as with the videos, warp themselves basically have the whole tracks up too if they work with that "listen 30 seconds anywhere in the track"-principle, it's both naive and plain stupid to think no-one would do something like JAroen did, if they had any brains at all they just should've taken a one minute sample from the middle of every track and let you pay if you wanted to hear the rest. of course you disagree with all this since you're more catholic than the pope but i'm fine with that |
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@ Joyrex [#01033312] |
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Jorex "You sound like a spoilt rich kid... which you probably are, and don't know the value of a dollar (US or Canadian). You're just trying to justify your own lack of morals when it comes to downloading music. " stfu and stop assuming. Sheesh |
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