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It's my birthday, I can cry if I want too. |
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sorry, not to sound rude, but thats a load of shit. People made this music. Its expression of their souls... music isnt some universal nirvana that just happens to come through the musicians... its a very personal expression of themselves. it is THEIRS. |
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Ah, it was Roland Barthes. |
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hmm, i know about idm, but it's not really something i care too much about if everybody else does. maybe this is a problem that Skam Record's publicist will have to deal with ;) i think a lot of you are blaming the wrong people for this scene being underground. |
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Well, I agree with you that art isn't some universal nirvana that just happens to come through the artist, but I differ in that once that art is placed into the public domain others can then define what that art means. This is why listeners to Twat FM would devalue electronica imho. Sure, not everything everyone says about an artwork is true, but also it is not just the artist who can define an artwork. |
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Sorry, that was to Zeus.. |
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oh pardon me, i cut in |
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ok, i see what you mean... you are going deeper then what I originally meant in my first post... but when it comes down to it... its still the artists music... and they can do whatever they want.... |
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and what a lovely dancer you are! |
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Well I'd say it's the artist's and the public's music if it was in the public domain. The artist's views on his own work would obviously take precidence over those of the public and the critics in my opinion though. |
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post afx? wow. sadly you may be right |
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the artists should only strive to make one person happy. themselves. if that means being ousted by the IDM community, it doesnt matter. As long in they believe in what they did. |
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what the HELL do you care what other people listen to!? that's just so INSANE!! I listen to the stuff I like because I like it, not because I know only 10 other people are listening to it. and who cares if those 10 people also listen to the Cheeky Girls!? jesus. |
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Well, "post" usually means "after it/they come to light" kinda thingy not necessarily "after it/their demise". Hope that makes sense :/ |
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what the HELL do you care what other people listen to!? that's just so INSANE!! I'm pretty sure I explained numerous times why I'm against the resulting over-saturation if this music became mainstream. I listen to the stuff I like because I like it, not because I know only 10 other people are listening to it. That's not quite what I'm saying. who cares if those 10 people also listen to the Cheeky Girls!? Because it would devalue the music by association. Not musically as such, more in terms of criticality or a lack therein. I'm not talking about ironic or kitsch appreciation of said Cheeky Girls, but more the type of person who genuinely can't see it's um.. junk music. I really find it hard to explain, I just think the more the moronic masses take over a music the more it kills that music. |
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ah, but what if these people DO realise its junk music... and thats all they look at it as... but just enjoy it for what it is... junk music, that at the time, is enjoyable on a certain level. not all things must be statements of spirituality... |
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Yes but there's a difference.. Cheeky Girls ain't quite reached the heights of ABBA or early Beatles which although not particualrly deep or spiritual, has more artistic integrity in any case. |
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psssh :waves bitches away: sorry you can't find idm at coconuts, try going further than 5 blocks for music |
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I firmly believe that if you take some of the more popular and easier to appreciate IDM tracks by various artists and gave them daytime play, then of course people would appreciate them and go out and buy them. Are you telling me that if they played Kid Spatula's 'Dirtwah' or countless other examples on the daytime Radio and TV that it couldn't be big? Come on lets get real when a track has a strong melody and soul people can dig it given time. |
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how many times does this board need to have the same pointless discussion? |
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Until its blue in the board.... ;) |
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I think you are fucking stupid. |
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Over the last decade or so I've seen many of my favorite scenes completely ripped apart and milked by the mainstream - It seems IDM is the last safe haven 'cos some of the music is so extreme that the mainstream will never be able to accept it... I used to love the UK rave scene back in the early 90's - It was the freshest most leftfield thing you could imagine - But it got raped and exploited by the mainstream and they killed it off in about 12 months!?! Same with mainstream hiphop - It is utter shite - The UK scene's still got a lot of fresh talent though... UK Garage scene, that's been milked and now 12 year olds are listening to it on council estates - Then the serious producers get fed-up and move on to something else - Honestly, mainstream success just equals a short shelf-life and everyone will forget you in a year or two's time - I've seen it happen time and time again. |
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Well since I have made my points and backed them up with some reason whereas you have merely thrown in some mindless insult like a playground child I believe you are the stupid one. What is stupid about saying ABBA and Beatles have more worth than Cheeky Girls? Nothing. If you have a point to make then make it or otherwise take your random insults elsewhere vio ya no-brain :) |
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why do you care what music other people listen to? you should listen to whatever you enjoy, whether 5 people or 5 BILLION people also enjoy it. shallowness and selfishness needs to be irradicated right now. |
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How many more times? It's not about how many people listen to it, it's about the consequesences of the mainstream picking up on stuff. |
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my point exactly. |
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*consequences |
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it HAS already been picked up. it's already in the mainstream. who cares!? there will still be good music and there will be crap stuff. again, do you listen to artists or to a genre? |
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...and do you listen for the music or for the social attachment? fucking bullshit is what it comes down to. |
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Artists or genre? Um, artists I guess, why? Yes it's in the mainstream but as yet not over-saturated thankfully. THAT is what I am against. Who cares? YOU will when they pick up on something you like so much that they kill it for you. |
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you need to change your point of view on this because THAT is what will ruin music for you buddy |
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:: runs to the microwave to irradicate selfishness :: |
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you're radiant baby!! |
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I'm sick of lame people trying to be a part of IDM by blurring the line between elite masterpieces and amateur junk. Just accept that only elite people can create true IDM, aka interplanetary death music. |
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(reaction to promo's first post) i couldn't agree more. |
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Come on, loopychoon, if you're sick of radio and television over-promoting some artists, just don't listen to/watch it. You'll feel much better. |
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Dan the Automator's words, which i think have something to add about this VERY topic! Though he’s flirted with major label stardom before, the recent MCA signing puts him on an elite hip-hop roster that includes the Roots, Mos Def, Blackalicious and DJ Shadow, boding great things to come in the Automator’s future. And unlike a lot of underground hip-hop artists, Nakamura has no concern for playa-haters who might accuse him of selling out. “You know how you always hear artists complaining about this and that in interviews?” he asks. “You do all this stuff because you want your record to happen. If you don't, fine: Make it for yourself and play it for your friends! Anyone who talks about selling out or being commercial? Don't put your record in the marketplace! When I put my record on the market, I expect myself and whoever I'm working with to do whatever it takes to help it sell. I think it's all part of the deal.” |
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humhum here in belgium you can hear "IDM" (someone has still to explain to me what music fits in it) on the radio, on COMMERCIAL radio, and guess what? it doesn't change the perception we have one of the big problems this board has with this kind of discution is that we come from places who have a VERY different recent musical history in belgium (and other countries) aphex is WELL known since the early nineties, and people hear electronic music all the time on the radio (not only techno crap) idm doen't exist, so how can it go mainstream? you fit in idm what YOU want, aphex made mainly techno music in the beginning, drill'n'bass is an extension of jungle/drum'n'bass ambient comes from new wave, blablabla there is no such things as IDM |
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I do - I'm listening to the new Erykah Badu album right now.. I don't really care what other ppl listen to - It's just that I used to seriously love the rave scene back when I was a kid, there was so much great new music being made - But over the course of a single year I saw it exploited, milked and ripped to pieces by the mainstream - Then all the big rave venues closed down, all the producers got bored of the fickle new audience and you saw thousands of real rip-off tracks coming out just trying to milk any money left in the scene... Now that scene built itself up over about 5/6 years healthily until the Prodigy let themselves go all "Pop Star". Now I love the Prodigy, but they did kill the rave scene, or at least they got the attention of the major labels then they got their claws stuck in. And it sucked - An incredible music scene, completely indepandant and self-sufficient had been destroyed in 12 short months... Exactly the same thing happens with any scene that's allowed to cross-over too much. I actually work in mainstream music these days and it's only fueled my hatred of everything it stands for. |
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much ado about nothing as usual |
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Like I said earlier... IDM doesn't exist. |
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I hate the term sellout... really gets on my nerves when people throw it around at artists just because they become popular... |
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Yeah, and after all, in a way, any artist who sells his music is a sellout. |
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my feelings about people like Aphex Twin, Autechre, BoC, etc, is that they will never become hugely popular with singles in the top 10 and such, just because they are instrumental... maybe that's a stupid view, but how many instrumentals have there been reaching the charts and stuff in the last 50 years? Not many that I can think of... most people need lyrics to enjoy the songs... God knows my family is like that, and my friends who have heard some of the music I listen to... also, I don't really care if it does become popular... man, I'd be so happy if I turned on muchmusic and saw the two BoC guys, or Sean and Rob from Autechre on there doing an interview with a bunch of screaming fans behind them... that'd be cool... to me it's not the becoming popular that's bad... but it's when artists change their music to become popular, and then their music is this crappy bubblegum stuff... if Autechre or BoC were to become popular doing what they do, that'd be great... groups like that deserve to be popular... and I wouldn't really be worried about getting sick of them being overplayed, because I hardly ever listen to the radio, and only flick to muchmusic every now and then on the tv... |
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its impossible for it to be over played on the tv/radio, and ruin it for you guys... ...BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE A BUNCH OF ELITISTS WHO ONLY LISTEN TO THIS MUSIC ANYWAYS. It wouldnt be over exposure to you, cause you listen to them none stop now, and you dont watch tv or listen to radio. So hows it different? |
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well I flick to the radio every now and then when I'm driving, and if there is a good song on I'll listen, but it's mostly crappity crap crap on there now... and muchmusic is the same way... I'm very much a fan of lots and lots of pop music, and all that... it's just that in my opinion there ain't that much good pop music on the radio and stuff today... |
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uninformed comment -- aphex, LFO, and others have ALL charted well on the album and singles chart in the UK and elsewhere. there was a topic about chart placements and sales, find it. maybe this music won't be platinum in the US but there are already tons of fans here in north america, enough to make videos like "come to daddy" and "windowlicker" popular on MTV and for general music fans (not just techno) to know who the big warp and rephlex artists are. people here need to realize that this music IS popular. if it becomes moreso then that's really pathetic of them to stop listening or start bitching. playa haters indeed automator! |
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word |
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Popular and mainstream are two totally different things though. Mainstream music sells before anyone's even bought it - They sell 10,000 copies to one shop, they sell 2,000 to another, the label buys up their own recrds and sells them back to the shop, etc... that's how you rig chart positions. In reality you're more likely to bump into an Aphex fan in a pub/club than a Madonna fan, of course you are - The mainstream is all about creating the illusion of popularity... The problem is they have no respect for the artist and as soon as they feel they're no longer profitable they drop them. |
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