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I'm sick of all the IDM elitists getting in the way of this music being bigger than it should be. "Oh I want to be underground, its my music, blah blah blah, whine whine whine, you know who you are." |
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feel better? i can understand tho and if i got lots of money for playin music i wouldn't knock it back. |
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i agree its horse shit really |
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Yes, if it weren't for the snobbery Fennesz would outsell Britney. |
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BIG *nods* i can't understand that POV |
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Who here is an IDM elitist? |
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"I'm sick of all the IDM elitists getting in the way of this music being bigger than it should be." But IDM shouldn't be big! If it gets big, it gets commercial, if it gets commercial, it will be produced purely for the money. That would surely have its effects on the quality of the music. Don't get so wound up over it. |
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why the hell does it need to get big? the music is not gonna get any better. look at mainstream hiphop now. it's commercial and it sucks. |
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true |
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Whatever, my favorite band has outsold all of YOUR favorite bands combined times a million, I'm no playa-hata. (although it DOES make me feel like a badass listening to Omgyjya Switch 7 with the volume set to 11 with my windows rolled down) |
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AlbertoBalsalm: word Ophecks: n00b ;) |
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Hmm ok I have a couple of points here. Firstly, elitists hold a radical position.. and yes, it IS radical, and (such as in politics) the world needs radicals or there would be little debate or progress. This doesn't mean we have to agree with them, just that they enrich our lives even if indirectly. Secondly, IDM is already on every advert and documentary this side of the solar system as it is, if IDM was to get much bigger and your average person on the street got to know about certain artists we would have to lose what is ours to people who like what they're programmed to like and don't know any better than to value what sells lots of units. In other words, do you really want that moron who says "..but millions of people who bought Phil Collins LP's can't be wrong" killing your fae music FOR YOU by playing Twat FM at your workplace which obviously means rotating them every other track? No.. let those who lack taste keep their nasty blunt-minded music and us ours :) |
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Um that was "fave".. my V key needs fixing. |
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Yeah IDM is just the right side of "big" these days - It'd be a disaster if there was a sudden "trend" and all the bullshit music press and uncool studenty types started listening to it - It'd be dead with two years. Apart from the elietists, ppl like Aphex have done immeasurable things to keep the scene alive and thriving - Like playing gabba and acid when supporting Bjork... Just keeps it out of reach from the masses of idiots. They have tried - Nominateing Aphex for Best Male Award on some MTV mainstream bumming thing that time - Blatant attempt to look like the panel actually listen to some interesting artists... The scene needs ppl like Aphex who like pissing ppl off - And I'd certainly say it needs elietists to some degree aswell. |
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Ummm.... IDM was both a trend in the bullshit music press and uncooly student types. If you listen to a lot of the pop music that has been produced in the past two years, take out the singing, and it comes frighteningly close to IDM. Very fine line indeed. |
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yeah, cuz teenieboppers were just itching to get their hands on confield...... |
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hehe right because the general public much prefer instrumental electronic music to singable and danceable pop |
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I think Taxi is spot on here, a lot of what might be called Mainstream music is not that far from IDM with vocals; everyone is digital now, ProTools is a given...who can hear "Slave 4 U" without thnking of Windowlicker?... |
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Aphex Twin's video for 'come to daddy' once won the MTV show "twelve angry viewers" the point is, no matter what happens to any genre of music, there will always be an underground facet upon which the elitists can endulge. they will just have to do more sorting through the bilge to get to the good stuff. |
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i dont really see how those elitist can get in the way of the public buying what they want |
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never mind them! im too busy slagging indie rockers |
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Me , windowlicker is sexy - slave for u isn't. |
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IDM doesn't exist. |
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of course IDM must stay underground, else it aint IDM anymore (well or the entire world population starts to grow intelligence all of a sudden) |
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if IDM gets mainstream I'll go make Trance music. |
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idm is not even close to mainstream..give it 20 more years i say |
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any kind of elitism is stupid and close minded I am very stupid cos I really feel in an elite |
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its only elite in the sense that not many people have got time for it its like a mate of mine said.. we were talking about a night round here called 'esoteric', he asked what that meant, when i said 'not many people are into it' he goes 'oh, so its shit?' :D |
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idm will never be mainstream. |
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I'm sick of this fucking messageboard |
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unfortunatly if at any piont idm becomes a good source of money it will become mainstream its about as simple as it gets |
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if it ever gets popular it won't be the same IDM music we know today. It will be some sort of a mutated IDM pop crap with britney-like vocals or R'N'B influental. It will never be "pure", the music will be made for the wrong reasons, to sell records. am i an elitist for not wanting that to happen? |
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this discussion is quite incredible. yes, Taxid. was right in saying that IDM is already prevalent in popmusic these days anyway. I don't see the big problem. let it become big - there will always be crap and good stuff - you can distinguish between the two, can't you? now, in it's so-called uncommercial form there is crap and good stuff, isn't there? AlbertoBalsalm, you yourself speak of "mainstream hiphop", thereby denoting that there is also a different kind of hiphop. do you listen to artists or to a genre? and WHAT is this crap!? "if IDM was to get much bigger and your average person on the street got to know about certain artists we would have to lose what is ours to people who like what they're programmed to like and don't know any better than to value what sells lots of units." and these people you speak of couldn't just really like what they hear? if they get to hear some good stuff, good for them. in general: grow up. |
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Actually I think I'll rephrase that. Its not so much elitism more protectionism. |
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Who cares where it goes? And why? Back in the day when Anime was still really hard to come across I use to push it on everyone. The reason being because one tape that was 45 minutes cost me around 75 fucking dollars. Now in the wake of sailor moon and pokemon, I can go down to my local comic shop and pick up a dvd for around 14$. With IDM why should you care, its pretty cheap and very accessable. The only thing to gain would be elite bragging rights , "I help started this scene man !" Fucking bullshit. |
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loopychoon, "No.. let those who lack taste keep their nasty blunt-minded music and us ours :)" Well that is Elitism is it not. The reason you want them to stick to the shite they listen to is because it makes you feel superior which is fair enough. Anyways hold you horses things ain't gonna change. It'll take a number of events to come together for IDM to even begin to take a foothold. |
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Plus whenever you see an aphext win video on TV or something, its really exciting in that "Oh right on Window licker is on! *calls friend*" Fuck man its perfect as it is |
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I agree 100% with the whole pop music minus the vocals thing "who can hear Slave 4 U without thnking of Windowlicker?... " |
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oxygenfad, People have always been saying that. |
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I don't really care what happens to it. I can buy it no problem for a fairly cheap. To get come to daddy when it came out we had to get the music store to order it in, and it took a while to get hahaha 26 canadian I think ? thats shit : ) |
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and WHAT is this crap!? "if IDM was to get much bigger and your average person on the street got to know about certain artists we would have to lose what is ours to people who like what they're programmed to like and don't know any better than to value what sells lots of units." and these people you speak of couldn't just really like what they hear? if they get to hear some good stuff, good for them. in general: grow up. It's not crap and perhaps YOU need to grow up. Of course these people I spoke of like what they hear.. that's what I was saying, they like their commercial units and are welcome to them. Sure, if they get to hear some good stuff, good for them, except that suddenly music YOU once liked becomes devalued by persons who don't know what good music is, and destroyed by those that feed them ie. Twat FM etc etc ad nauseum. I'm not an elitist just because a minority of the music I like I prefer to not be hijacked by commerce. If I had BoC rammed down my throat by various TV and radio stations it would kill it for me, just as it does anything that is over-exposed or hyped by a mainstream whose opinion is not worth much. Thank goodness that Windowlicker advert was a terrible remix! Otherwise we'd never hear the last of it and we'd have to find some other music we could actually listen to for enjoyment as opposed to being sick of the sound of. |
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point is, were still at the stage where aphex, squarepusher, boards of canada, autchre for example, who are some of the main players in this crazy game, will never be played on daytime radio or tv. i wouldnt say that elitists are holding it back...its just not commercially viable music. simple. |
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i'd also like to add that i wouldnt like underground electronic music to be all over daytime radio and tv and mags and stuff. i like this music because it is made with nothing but 100% love. Not for financial reward. |
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I think you all are overlooking a big point... this isnt YOUR music. Sure, you may put on some album, like MHTRTC (just as an example) and it talks to you so much, you feel a close connection, like this music was writen for you... because it seems so perfect, and strikes a chord deep within you... but hey guess what, the only person this music really belongs to, is the people who wrote it. You all are just the observers... it isnt YOURs, although it can feel that way. So what it really comes down to, is the artist. If they want to open thier music up to a larger audience, its their choice, and you have no say in it, cause its not yours, and thats something youre just going to have to deal with. They dont owe you anything. In fact, they write the music, and share it with you, and you have the nerve to tell them whats OK to do with thier music? Whats acceptable? Fuck that. |
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WeaklingChild, I disagree. Of course its commercial viable. Fact is people buy what they hear and if they heard Aphex and Squarepusher constantly played on daytime radio/tv they'd buy it. However if I was truly honest with myself I kinda like it the way it is. |
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bollocks. i listen to idm all the time in my work and all i get told is how weird it is. its the same with a lot of my friends and family when they are in my car....they think its just stupid noise. but it speaks volumes to me and a select few of others. |
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No.. let those who lack taste keep their nasty blunt-minded music and us ours :) Well that is Elitism is it not. The reason you want them to stick to the shite they listen to is because it makes you feel superior which is fair enough. Anyways hold you horses things ain't gonna change. It'll take a number of events to come together for IDM to even begin to take a foothold. Yes, in this area one could say it is elitism. I tend to reside in the middle and move between radical positions depending on the issue at hand, but I am by no means simply an 'elitist'. Please, try reading what I wrote instead of jumping to unfounded conclusions: it has absolutely NOTHING to do with me wanting to feel superior, it is about me wanting to protect certain music I like from being killed FOR ME by over-saturation and association with people and things that would devalue it. Anyways, I don't need to hold any horses since things don't need to change. IDM has already taken a foothold, which is why it's featured on TV ads and documentaries, or RDJ turned down Madonna. This is exactly how I like it: the non-compus menti don't have their hands on it yet but the so-called savvy media confirm to me that I have good taste ;) Please please please don't fight for over-saturation, for this is what I am against (if you read all my input to this thread you should see that), because modern, post AFX electronica is doing just fine right now thank you very much and doesn't need any more or less hype. As to particular artists.. well that's another matter perhaps and would have to be specified. |
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sorry for saying bollocks. that was quite offensive. i dont want to cause any offense. just sayin what i think. |
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I agree with everything WeaklingChild said recently. |
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Sorry Zeus but I disagree. Once an artist (any kind) makes a work public that work then becomes what each and every other person thinks it is and the artist's own opinion, although helping to defined what we think, is merely just another opinion. Damn, who was it wrote that Death of the Artist? Anyway.. |
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