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I was expecting replies. and I got them, so thanks. That's why I wrote that. You can make an intelligent discussion out of anything. |
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I totally agree there. I find this whole being proud of being from a country thing weird. I'm proud of my achievements and those of my loved ones. In what way in being born in a specific country an achievement. It isn't something I had any say over. I guess I'm really just moaning about semantics here. I find it normal that one would say that they are proud of their homeland for it's contributions and achievements but to word it "I'm proud to be xyz" just annoys me... |
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"But we went from talking politics about things you don't like about another coutnry, to blanket judgements about that country without any defense of that country. is there a defense for these things I've discussed? I don't think so. And what could that country (I mean the people in power) possibly say? "we did wrong"? They aren't even going to say that. And if they did, we'd probably see some sweet changes :) ---- I take offense as you claim I shouldn't You're wrong, I want everybody to speak their mind. If some asshole said I should be ashamed to be American, I would just walk away. being ashamed and proud they are two completely different things, and if we put them on a scale there are things inbetween. Here I feel we can talk about this, and I am expressing astonishment at being told I can have no pride in where I live or the government that protects me. the government may protect you, but does it protect all other Americans? I wrote more about this in my previous reply to you. Don't tread on me because you don't like something, that gets no where. Talk about it like you care and don't insult me, and some things may come to light that you overlooked or didn't know before. please, don't take it like this. It's not the point. It's nothing personal. It may see so from the first post, but I think I explained what I meant about it earlier. Don't slag me off cuz of where I'm from....... Again I am not slagging you off, and you are taking it way to personal. I'd like to say "you're not an american." Because being an american is something abstract. Countries can rise and fall, and be destroyed. What is left is you, an englishspeaking man, with certain friends, a family, and your life and experiences. And that is tangible, and what matters in life. |
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That isn't a personal attack, and we can debate it. I just never expected to be treated like a Nazi for living in Germany, so to speak. First, can you please explain why you took it so personal? It never intended to be... Nobody should be treated like anything because they live somewhere. it's who they are and especially what they do that counts. |
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I agree with last post. U have to think it's a mix of diffrent races, wich make US strong and weak. In richness US with 280 billion citizens are only matched by Luxenburg and Lichtenstein. US are about 1/3 richer than EU countries and Japan. (With the new expansions in EU the population will outnumber US by 3, but still US has close to total dominans economical, technological and cultural) To think US is an evil empire is just naive. Everything new comes from there and if u should mention your top ten favourite of music, computer games, movies, software, tv show or any new cool trend it's from there. The american popular-culture is totally dominating the youth culture everywhere on the planet. And no we are not forced by evil cooperations to like it. It's not just popular culture but the same scenario is also seen in the buissnes world and a number of other fields. So instead of getting mad about anything they do, come with alternatives. Today you are pro american or the opesite, there are no theird option. Yes u can have your own ways but it will just be more or less american. It's well known thing to think that behind all the facade the double-standard US are led by a cynical calculating money hungry elite that want total dominas and gives a damn about other countries. U at least have had to been there to judge, US are not worse than the rest of us |
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iono, I hear it everyday here. That my country sucks and the government sucks and what not. I'm 20, still too young to make major changes in this world. I plan too, big fucking changes, but I can't do much for 10 years or so. It's just so desperaging to hear it over and over, but whatever. figures my favorite comic today prefect for you guys too. Pearls Before Swine |
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the comic was kinda funny. :) Again, please think over what you are proud of... The tangible things matters. |
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I won't say I am proud, but I do appreciate having the things I have which others in this country and others do not. |
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well that is what I mean. being proud of "a country" is pretty nonsense since you do not rule the country yourself (is responsible for everything good), and everything counts... If you think the government is good - say "I am proud of our government". |
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I wrote i agreed with the last post, I meant AMinal's last post |
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yet another dane, welcome fellah. |
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Key_Secret, We all have choices in life. It is a very weak man who believes he has no control over his life. |
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I'm proud to be British. Why shouldn't I be. I believe a lot of people are jealous of the British. The yobs and lager louts yes I would be quite happy for them to emigrate to some other country but apart from that I'm extremely proud to be British. |
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again, why anyone would take it personal or be offended by the first statement (which was not intended) is because you and I share a different opinion of what it means, I guess. Anyway, I'm off to eat some sweet living food, but if anyone feels like it, please add anything to this topic. When I think of it now, there isn't really much to discuss around the article, but I like, except for that people were VERY OFFENDED (which was not intended), the short discussion we had. For me, a non-american person, it's important to know what you think about certain things. And I guess either people aren't thinking about what you're actually saying when you say "I'm proud of being an [e.g.] american". TonyFish put it quite well (and I agree) : "I find this whole being proud of being from a country thing weird. I'm proud of my achievements and those of my loved ones. In what way in being born in a specific country an achievement. It isn't something I had any say over." [Key leaves the board, but leaves the puter on; it's still on playing "747" by kent... (sweet pop/rock)] |
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gy, More socialist drivel eh? |
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not socialist drivel, just some facts |
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ok, before I go: You're wrong promo. Sure we have choices in life, but some things isn't up to you (and sometimes nobody) to decide. Things like what you are born to; sex, race is up to nobody to decide really. The most ideal thing would be that your birth is a prodcut of the love your parents share - and love goes beyond races. Things which isn't up to you to decide is things like "the birth things", and things that laws makes it impossible for you to decide. --- and because of that the world we live in looks like it does - you don't have full control of your life. Many choices aren't up to you, I don't think you have thought this over really. Even if I would immigrate to some country I am not garantueed to be allowed to stay there. eh, I think I lost myself, well I'm off to food. |
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Key_Secret, Er right. No you have 100% control over your life. It is people who make a mess of things and are losers that like to pretend their situation is out of their hands, it isn't. The moment your start to take responsibility for the things you do the better your life will be. |
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Karma police, arrest this man He talks in math, he buzzes like a fridge Hes like a detuned radio Karma police, arrest this girl Her hitler hairdo is making me feel ill And we have crashed her party This is what you get... when you mess with us! (from the top of my head, dunno if this is correct really) |
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Bowling for columbine. August 19th |
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you hate loosers? |
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oh promo, it seems like you didn't even read my post... Yes one should take responsability for all actions, but some things even in adult life you cannot decide over - I wish it wasn't so. This may sound extreme to some people, but it isn't. It's the way it should be, the way we're supposed to be living. for instance, and this is a stupid example; I kill someone, and then I want to spend the following years at home. I can't, because the law won't allow me to (the law wants me to be "punished"). |
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Key_Secret, You're just taking it to silly degress. That is not my point. My point is simple you can either choose to make a failure of your life or not. Those who subscribe to the view that the way life pans it down to luck or other fantasy based notions makes me really angry. It is the weakest shit ever. |
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I am proud to be american. It's not like i got the damn flag stapled to my ass or anything but obviously we are doing something right here. Look at how many people try to come to the states for better lives.... people from all over. 3rd world country? Don't be ignorant, we are the only superpower currently soon to be joined by our friends over in europe. |
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comment=ignorant |
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My point is simple you can either choose to make a failure of your life or not. I don't agree. First of all, when making such a statement you need define what you think is a "failure"... And lets say everybody's got their own definition - I think some people try real hard with some things, even believe in themselves and stuff, but still don't succeed. Some things you cannot decide on, it's as simply as that. Take life as it is, as it goes, as it will be - but make the best of it. It's all you can do. |
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Well making the best of life is fine still sounds like a cop out however suggesting circumstances are out of your hands is a prescription for failure. Also I have no problem with people trying in fact I applaud it 100%. People who go for it and are resilient and don't give up will eventually succeed. In fact this is best summed up by a classic phrase 'people don't plan to fail they just fail to plan'. |
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well their electricity system is a bit fucking third-world isn't it! |
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:D nice joke |
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"yobs and lager louts" which make up 90% of the population. I'm British and I'm far from fucking proud! You want to talk about third world countries? What about england? Look at our health system and educational system and transport. By european standards they're abismal. Look at the trains. No fast train network, inefficient, slow gahhhh... |
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