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Actually re-read my last post. I didn't side with either camp. I didn't say you should pursue something because it may be true. I said you can't prove it either way, that was the only point I made. Proof is something you can never have in a lot of situations. How can we prove that gravity holds true in all cases? We can't test all cases. We can't even think of them. In real life we can't diddle round asking ourselves whether or not gravity is a law or only a suggestion--we endeavour not to fall from high places sans bungee. Similarly with god. You look at the facts as best as you can make them out and do what makes sense. Oh, the teapots have strong black earl grey darjeeling and no milk or sugar (naturally). Well I'm glad you aren't one of those strawberry infusion blasphemers. |
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oh god... imo atheism is as naiive as religion. i don't bother to try to answer questions which can never be answered. acceptance of the unknown has made me feel so much better. |
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"you friends were oviously very stoned" "'m not looking to be an ass.. but people can search their souls all day and come to conclusions about God and those conclusions can still be wrong. " "i think the essay shuts down any attempts prove God exists " "by the way i'm not trying win anyone over to any side. just mabey making some people think about it, thats all. " We blame people of religion for having a holier then thou type attitude..... but that Cfern was the most pretencious holier then thou attitude bullshit I have ever seen. People are not understanding the religion is a personal thing. Its a catalyst to be used to get through hard ships and tough times for people. For something to believe in, hope when there is none. Its sad that the image and the people of various chruches have given it a bad name. I dont believe in God, and I am not a religious person. But people who do believe in a god of some kind, most anyway, use their belief for some security in there lifes. They pray and worship.... usually for hope or for some understanding in their lives. Its funny but most people who I known as christians who act all secure believing in god... you ask them deep philosophical questions about life..... and they get nervous and uneasy. Religion is meant for personal healing. I see nothing wrong with that. Unless you SHOW ME a scientific LAW that shows what created the cosmic egg from which all life came (cosmic egg being the ball of matter that was exploded by some unknown force... and from which we all came from. So in a sense moby was right... we all are made of stars... hahaha. ). Unless you show me how that cosmic egg was created... how it exploded... then you can outright say that a god of somekind doesnt exist. But there is now scientific law... with all the great scientific minds in the world.. no one has figuered out this yet. And its the last piece of the puzzle sort of speak to find out. I would like to think that if there was a god, he could see t |
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I would like to think that if there was a god, he could see that you have liven a just and right life, and take you to where ever ..... No one knows... and one essay isnt going to prove anything, just raise more questions. Unless that essay is a scientific law that has been tested and proven many times over and come to one common conclusion. Until then.... let people believe what they want to believe. |
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What's atheism? |
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Not believing in God. See: Jonesy |
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So if I don't believe in leprechauns am I an aleprechaunist? |
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Probably. Did anyone see Ali G's debate with a Rabbi, an Anglican priest and an Aetheist? Great stuff. |
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no, you're a big fool (spoken in shit irish accent a la connor from neighbours) |
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That's a great way to settle which religion is true! Let them all pray for strength and then shave them and grease them up and throw them in a pit with gladiator weapons. Hey watch out, that moyle's going for the groin! |
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"Did anyone see Ali G's debate with a Rabbi, an Anglican priest and an Aetheist? Great stuff" Ali G the dj guy that looks funny? Hahahahaha, that would be neat to see |
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Sure and ye've heard it straight from the horse' mouth. |
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the word atheism stems from theology my mate explained to me that theology means 'belief in one god' that sort of sat uncomfortably with me, because i knew the implication was that theres only one right way, which i disagree with however i am certain there is something we do all have in common. but as of yet im not able to explain it.. nor do i have an urge to try to suss it all out. im fond of lifes mysteries :) |
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Every theist is an atheist when it comes to other people's gods. An atheist just believes in one less god than a theist does. |
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"i am certain there is something we do all have in common" its easy.. we are all humans on this earth. and we are trying to find some answers to the meaning of our existance. We ocassionally bump heads and get into fights... but hopefully one day we will aquire this knowlage *turns on engine to jet pack* WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! *fly's with jet pack into the sun set* |
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'Unless that essay is a scientific law that has been tested and proven many times over and come to one common conclusion'... 'Laws' of the nature you have described do not exist. The only way to 'prove' a theory or law, is to try to dis-prove it. Which is an infinate task. Which means that nothing can be proved beyond all doubt by any scientist that believes in true scientific method. It can only be shown to be more probable than the alternative. My own tests and experiments have shown that the existence of God is less probable than the non-existence. Therefore that is what I believe is probably the case. |
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An athesist rejects religion not God(s). |
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*high-fives the psycho* |
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i think its something a bit deeper than that mickey and this is where science fails i think its very important to have a sense of wonder when i get out in nature, sometimes i just cant believe what im seeing, or that im here at all thats when i get in a damn fine mood :) |
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Why thankyou!! Suprised myself then! |
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theism is believe. atheism is the absence of beleive. monotheism is specifically believe in 1 god, for example, christianity. polytheism is beleive in many gods, for example buddism. |
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That's why it's okay to massacre the infidel oh come now .. I know, it was a joke.. :) Why do we need something external to shoehorn "worth" into our lives? 'worth' is an abstract, nominalist term .. there's no such thing except for what we make it I suppose, so in that respect we don't need an external force. But if we are just random collections of carbon that happened to congeal into a life form with no God, then what's the purpose of life? I'm not saying that it would be a totally unhappy existence, or that people couldn't do things to make their world better. I just mean, what would be the point of it all when ''in the end it doesn't even matter''.. hehe. Thats all I meant by worthless. I didn't mean 'devoid of happiness and progress' .. I'm confusing myself. |
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I don't think science is antagonistic to a sense of wonder. Rather, it's often the cause of it! When I read about what little I can understand of molecular biology I'm blown away with wonder and I hear the Brandenburg concertos in my head. (probably because that used to be the soundtrack to The Nature of Things science show when I was a kid) A nature walk is more inspiring if you actually know something about nature, and you see all the complex interlocking patterns of life propagating itself... how some trees have cones that can only be activated by the high temeratures of a forest fire, or how certain amphibians have antifreeze that allows the moisture to leach from their tissues so they can freeze solid without bursting their cells... |
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sorry guys, forgot to end the html tag .. |
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these are all just words to me i buried myself in philosophy for a year or 2, and it almost drove me round the bend i avoid philosophy now. its (im hesitant to use the words 'it is') to me, its all opinion. personal, but its not your own point of view |
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yeah, other friends of mine are blown away by the molecular level i wonder who would be surprised by this though. take yourself out somewhere you like habitually many of us (well i know i do daily, hourly) focus on small things at a time, with the eyes every now and then ill sit back, and let my view widen. this is a similar technique to that employed by speed readers what im trying to describe, is looking at more at once than what you normally do you become aware you can see wider than a certain point. soon youre watching things move right up to your peripherals. i find that to be such a nice change from what my shitkicking jobs train me to do :) |
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- Here here!! Wonder at the world around us isn't lessened by science or knowledge... these things help us to see more, and further, and create more wonder |
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"'Laws' of the nature you have described do not exist" They sure do exist lucky..... E=mc2 matter to energy lets see what else the fact that there is a force called gravity that suspends objects on earth with out some extreme force... and all objects in space for that matter. Matter never dissapates.... it changes forms.. ... loads of em, thats have been proven over and over agian as a scientific law. Thats not to say that they cant be questioned... in fact, people in the scietific community urge people to question them. But they are true. "My own tests and experiments have shown that the existence of God is less probable than the non-existence. Therefore that is what I believe is probably the case" opinions are like nipples.... everyone has one wierd huh? sometimes two! WHOA! |
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Worth... To me it is wonderful and miraculous that these human creatures evolved in this bizarre inexplicable universe and actually developed the ability to care about one another and think about things, and appreciate the complexity and tragedy of their situation, and the inestimable value of their fleeting lives. To me saying an all-powerful being created all this cheapens and demeans existence. I mean, he could pull ten better universes out of his butt before lunchtime. And an afterlife for which his life is just the entry ticket, something meant to be torn by Saint Peter the ticket taker as he tells you "third row on the left, enjoy the show"? Ick. This is my only life, this is my only chance to be aware and exist and feel sunlight. To me that is the truth, and also the basis of my morality, for I can see that others are in the same boat as me and enjoy the existence and awareness and sunlight as much as I do. Except for goths, so fuck them. |
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there is something. like i say i dont know what it is, and wont try to explain it but damn it, we are Special. we have so much potential. all the senses can be enhanced by thought alone, and our emotions equip us to be, potentially, beautiful. |
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Well they are true until someone comes along and can prove that they are not true.... but most are true |
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I liked that rockenjohnny that made my insides full up with happy goo! *Turns on jet pack, fly's off into the stratasphere* |
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I see your point, and in many ways sympathize with it .. I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that I believe in God. I think that there is a great camaraderie in socializing with fellow humans who are clueless just like me and you. I think that making progress regardless of life's futility is a healthy thing. However, I still think that without a reason behind man's toil, it's worthless. It may help make a person's short life more liveable and enjoyable, but it still means nothing if there isn't some higher goal. Believe me, unlike most self assured Christians I will readily admit I have very little figured out about life. I am not gonna try to persuade you that my view is superior becuase I am not certain what my view is most of the time. I believe in God and Christ but aside from the essentials, I'm about as close to agnostic as you can get without becoming one. I enjoy life, sometimes, but I still think that aside from temporary 'meaning' that it's pointless to live without a higher existence present. |
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its good to be reminded i even needed it myself ive been all emotional this weekend just stay big picture john! im blessed with the opportunity to be happy, be damned if im going to pass it up |
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whered everyone go. this was becoming one big d&m thread |
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You're one of the good ones uvvie. :-) No offense to earthleakage but I think the horse is dead so we can stop beating for now. :-) |
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no problem.. thanks for discussing ! enjoyable thread |
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i never said someone's spirituality should be fueled by ignorance, prejudice, fear, and hatred. it's weak to twist someone else's words around just cos you can't think of a convincing argument to the contrary. what i said is that spirituality (and/or the existence of a god) is up to the person to decide based on observations, experiences, and to a lesser degree, texts like essays or religious doctrine. argument for or against the existense of a god are usually sensationalist garbage anyway. hence no one should be so easily swayed by them in such a serious matter as religion. |
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We should do these occasionally until you deconvert. MUAHAHAHAHAHA! :D |
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lol .. you evil man you :) |
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if christianity were trendy among the so-called educated white middle class then you'd all be christians; as it's been for the last several decades, it's more hip not to believe in God. i agree w/ earthleakage: atheists tend to be just as naive as the most bible-thumping christians. |
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Well I already got you wearing red. And whose favorite color is red? That's right, SATAN! *does the special dance* |
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*points finger at fleetmouse* ''the woman made me do it!'' hehehe |
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"...and then this snake was going HISS HISS HISS HISS HISS and he gave me an apple and I was like.... huh?" |
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"I lost the whole paradise. It was a really good paradise." *frown* |
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I'm not replying to you until you get a santa hat. |
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I didn't read any of this. I bet all the comments were uninteresting. |
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there is some wisdom there titsworth about your agreeing with earthleakage i dont really want to say it, but i feel in my heart that both sides are missing the point relates to my ranting about a sense of wonder but onto the subject of spirituality something stirred me not too long ago here in perth theres this show on rtr radio called full circle anyway they get folks on talking about heartfelt stuff such as religion / lifestyles theres this one guy who pops us every now and then, and he really captivates me last thing i heard him say what that his belief, was that spirituality is about being the best person you can be. and not wanting to look back and think 'i wish i had done that' |
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lmao@fleet wow, an Ellen version of the Bible . EFB .. lol now that would sell like hotcakes |
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It would make about as much sense as the book of Mormon, so you could move a lot of copies in Utah. |
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