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offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-25 21:42 [#00194151]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



the black panthers are more racist than the KKK and twice as
incompetent

if they hate the government so much because "it's pure evil"
then why don't they just leave?


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-25 21:42 [#00194153]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



or pump my fucking gas!


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-04-25 21:45 [#00194156]
Points: 8864 Status: Regular



uhhh.. well despite what people may think, blacks along with
whites and other "colors" in the world can be racist.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:03 [#00194173]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular



i completely agree relfex

words aren't necessarily offensive, its the meaning WE GIVE
them that is offensive
it all depends on how the words being used, just like u
said

archrival:
racism is discrimination or prejudice based on the colour of
someone's skin, and thier ancestory, etc

why COULDN'T a black person be capable of this?

all people can be..... and there are people from every
'race' who are racist

to think that certain people can NOT be racist JUST BECAUSE
THEY ARE BLACK is racist too!
i dont know how u cant see that

maybe u have a different definition of racism or something
or maybe ur just in denial, i dunno

but.. ok:
if i was black, and i hated persian people just cus they
were persian.....
then i would be racist
its as simple as that

ur saying i wouldn't be racist, just cus im black

THATS racism


 

offline Archrival on 2002-04-25 22:08 [#00194178]
Points: 4265 Status: Lurker



Arrghhh. How can I be a racist looking down ON OTHER PEOPLE
WHO HAVE MORE "POWER" THAN ME???????

As I hope yall know, theres only one race and thats the
human race.

The human can have different color of the skin....aight.

Aminal You are black (I hope), Reflex You are black (black
reflect all colors white, black, yellow etc).



 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-04-25 22:10 [#00194181]
Points: 3301 Status: Lurker



There are two different meanings for "racism" according to
my dictionary:

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human
character or ability and that a particular race is superior
to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Archrival, your viewpoint is very controversial, it suggests
to me that you think Blacks are an inferior race.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:13 [#00194186]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular | Followup to Archrival: #00194178



ok, i see what u are saying, but thats not racism
thats just one application of it

if u hated me cus im white....
then u would be racist

you dont have to be richer than me to be racist towards me

u dont have to have power over me either

u just have to judge me by the colour of my skin
thats what racism is

if i treat u BETTER, just cus ur a certian colour, then
thast racism too

i dont have to be in a position of power over you to be
racist towards you


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:15 [#00194189]
Points: 8864 Status: Regular



EXACTLY! blacks CAN and some ARE racist! How can it be
otherwise? No one has the "power" over black people that I
see.... I dont see that ever. My dictionary says the same
thing as Inverted Whales. Again - nothing against
Archrival...


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-25 22:18 [#00194196]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular



even if blacks are discriminated against in our society
(and i think they still are in many ways)

...they can still be racist

being in a position of power, or other having power of you,
or being discriminated against, doesn't matter..
...if ur racist, ur racist


 

offline Archrival on 2002-04-25 22:24 [#00194202]
Points: 4265 Status: Lurker



Im a pretty strange "black man" (atleast thats what my
friends think).

"Hey u know that black dude whos kinda crazy and listen to
wack ass techno"......thats what I hear all the time...so
whats my point???

yes, im a "strange", odd fellow whos part of a "cult" that I
wont speak about in detail here (because then you all will
think im more insane then you already think I am).

This crazy ass "cult" who im part of believes that REFLEX
came from Archrivals sperm ;)

So now u know.

That was a little metaphor for yall to figure until
tomorrow.

Peace

Goodnight

(Love yall, CYA tomorrow).



 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-25 22:25 [#00194203]
Points: 568 Status: Regular



there's just so many trolls in here :)

'If racism sucks so does meritism. '

and people of certain 'races' are less/more meritous than
other? could you be more fascist, please? oh, you're from
italy, sorry.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 22:38 [#00194210]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular



personally being brown I have been and seen every facet and
side of this issue..you can say I get the best and the worst
of everything that race relations have to offer..The most
damaging is the institutionalized racism..I have been a
frequent target of discrimination in just about every aspect
of education and career..and that has left far too many
scars on my psyche to be just ignored, dusted off, forgiven
and accepted as I have frequently been advised to do...on
the other hand..I have suffered head injuries in a racially
motivated attack..so I think I have earned my goddamned
right if suspect every other white person I meet of being a
red neck white trash asshole and having my guards up in pubs
and such..because I have certainly been called everything
under the sun...and Sept 11 just made things that much
better


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 22:43 [#00194217]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular



but basically my point is that when I was in the States I
had tons of Black co-workers I know the cliche..all of us
reduced to minimum paying jobs..and I just didn't come
across these stereotypes that you are talking of..Thes used
to frequently call me my nigga or my sandnigga..and I called
them nigga's too and it was all affectionate..some minded me
calling them nigga's back and I made a mental note of that
and didn't call em that the next time..I think it's really a
very personal issue..everyone has a right to be offended and
not be called a certain possibly offensive name by anyone
they choose to take offense to...


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-25 23:06 [#00194254]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



I agree with Archrival that race is used by the capitalist
beourgois elite as a tool to unite their (homogeneous race)
proletariat behind their system/flag against persecutable
sacpegoat outsiders with different skin and/or cultural
identity , as a means of diverting attention from the real
inequalities and evils of the class system.
Read Orwell or Chomsky and tell me this aint true.

There , that deepened the argument beyond whether blacks are
racist or whether nigga is a racist word.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 23:22 [#00194277]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194254



hoity toity bullshit...intellectualling the issue has been
the cause for the stunted response and lack of any real
progress on the race issue from the mainstream culture in
general and the average shmoo on the street in genral...it's
alienating quality just renders any positive aspects of it
null and void for the massess..I mean look what happende to
the political correctness movement..there actually were some
sound and reasonable ideas in there that just got wrapped up
fifteen layers of bullshit by academia and became a laughing
stock and thrown out the window..and all of the positive
aspects of it along with it...I mean I have all the respect
for ole Noam..and am a fan of what he does..but what good is
telling someone with a basic mental block about accepting
other races to go and read a philosophical social critique
of it?..dumb aint it..


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-25 23:23 [#00194278]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194254



nothing is this easy. things are more complex than this.

go to the source. evil is evil and good is good. don't make
up systems of 'bourgois elite' and 'races'.


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-25 23:37 [#00194300]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



urb>yes but the beourgois elite are the ones who preach what
'good' and 'evil' are in the first place.

flea>if you don't intellectualise, what do you suggest? PS
"Political correctness" was not fucked up by academia, but
rather a theory COINED by conservative political think-tanks
originally in order to suppress true liberalist freedom of
speech & action. IE it was always bullshit, not de-railed by
"academics" as U say.

Also, the 'good ideas' wrapped up in the fifteen layers of
bullshit are NOT /'political correctness'/ but the thing
which 'political correctness' succeeds in making a laughing
stock. Don't blame the academics, blame the politicians &
their henchmen in the tabloid press.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 23:43 [#00194310]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194300



political correctness was 90% bullshit..and it was these so
called liberals that it was meant to suppress that were out
in force enforcing it and still are..if the next newage
hippy came and asked me about persian rugs I am gonna put a
friggin 357 right between their eyes...
feminazis any one?..arent they liberals?


 

offline urb from Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-04-25 23:44 [#00194314]
Points: 568 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194300



what I'm saying is forget the about 'bourgois elite' and
shit.

these are methods for simplifying the issue at hand, nothing
else.

by generalising into groups like this you're making the same
mistake as the 'racists'.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-25 23:48 [#00194321]
Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to flea: #00194310 | Show recordbag



I agree, I often wonder if modern "feminism" wan't made up
by chauvanists to make people dislike/not listen to the
views of feminists. The same can be applied to race issues.
I'm sure there must be black people who found the fact that
such a big deal was made that 2 black actors had got oscars
offensive...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-25 23:50 [#00194322]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to Ceri JC: #00194321



the oscars were a horror...and did Halle Barry forget
Whopi's Oscar?


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-25 23:55 [#00194330]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



i hate the racism of white society


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-25 23:55 [#00194331]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



there are so many layers to this issue

'liberalism' means whatever you want it too.
I am only a liberal in the sense that I believe people
should be free to do what they want so long as it doesn't
violate anyone else directly.
But then you get people argueing over what "violate" means
and what "directly" means and shit. Maybe thats why we've
got politicians in the first place. To order chaos and
arrest our evolution....


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:04 [#00194341]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



reading this thoroughly, it seems REFLEX is just a plain
racist scumbag


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:05 [#00194343]
Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to donkey: #00194330 | Show recordbag



Why does your Tshirt make you look like a BNF member then?
Just kidding. ;)



 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:08 [#00194351]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



i hate the bnf, im not a racist, i know lots of blacks


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:10 [#00194352]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular



liberals are just as much a stereotype as any..just as
manufactured by the PR/media/Hype machines as any..when it
comes to race relations liberals are worse than the
racists...with a racist you know where you stand and just
make a point of getting the fuck out of their way....the
liberals worm their way in..bearing gifts and once accepted
blossom into nauseating hybrid of condescention, unrepressed
(white mans burden) guilt and a warped sense of cultural and
intellectual superiority..they read a few books and they
think they know everything about a culture and a place..they
are worse at stereotyping than anyone..and are bewildered by
the fact that an ethnic person living in a western country
could actually enjoy indulging in the low art junk culture
that it offers..


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:12 [#00194354]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



is this board infested with racists or something, it sucks
really bad


 

offline Loogie from Oxford (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:13 [#00194356]
Points: 1371 Status: Lurker



Well I've read some bullshit today...

To suggest that a person of particular skin colour /
physical characteristics inherantly cannot be racist is a
disgusting statement to make.


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:15 [#00194357]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



like i said , WTF IS a liberal ?

all liberal means is something like 'freedom' in its basic
sense. to slag off 'liberals' is like slagging off trees
because you fell out of one once .
If "Liberals" are those people whom people like Richard
Littlejohn and other right wing populists
abhor so much, then I am proud to be one.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:17 [#00194360]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



black people cant be racist, but they can be ignorant and
misguided. only whites can be racist, because they represent
the people in power


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:22 [#00194363]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



also are the chinese racists for "assimilating" Tibet (
ie..burying their culture ?)

so its not only whites , donkey.

But yes It would seem that REFLEX is just trying to find
ways of voicing 'acceptable' racism via the backdoor...


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:23 [#00194364]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



i think we need to all remember something:

rac·ism (ra`sizm)
n.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

does being black, white, hispanic, middle-eastern or asian
prevent you from doing this?


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:25 [#00194365]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular | Followup to smokehammer: #00194357



there's that condescension again..you liberals just cant
help yerself can you?


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-04-26 00:26 [#00194367]
Points: 1463 Status: Lurker



thanks. I think I needed to remember that.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:27 [#00194369]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



yes your right smokey, whoever is dominant in a country-
they are the only ones who can be racist. black people are
the exception because of the way we treated them (slaves
etc)


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:27 [#00194371]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



my point exactly.

defensive remarks like flea just made prolong arguments for
decades. it's the same principle as racism, and there just
isn't any reason for it at all.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:28 [#00194372]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular | Followup to donkey: #00194360



"only whites can be racist, because they represent the
people in power "

wtf?

u seem to be making up your OWN definition of racism
cus racism has nothing to do with being in power or not

its simply discriminating or judging someone based only on
the colour of their skin (or their ancestory, whatever)

one 'race' being in power is not racism on its own... its
probably CAUSED BY racism, but that alone is not what racism
is

racism is just: Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

it can be commited by people in and out of power


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:28 [#00194373]
Points: 23533 Status: Moderator | Followup to donkey: #00194351 | Show recordbag



Why do you find it neccesary to mention you know a lot of
black people?


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:29 [#00194375]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



because that proves im no racist, you accused me of being
part of bnf


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-04-26 00:29 [#00194377]
Points: 9083 Status: Regular



REFLEX is wrong..everyone has a right to be offended by a
slur....so if a black person gets offended by being called a
nigga by a white person..that white person should just shut
the fuck up and apologize..or else dont complain if your
head's kicked in.. you had been warned...same is true for a
white person though..if they are un comfortable with being
called a trailer trash..respect that and dont call him
one...


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:30 [#00194379]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Richard D. James is most obviosly racist because he has
never produced an album with an African American.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-04-26 00:31 [#00194381]
Points: 3476 Status: Regular



u guys are just being stupid now

uve just made up ur OWN definition of racism..... i dunno
why
why?

not that i disagree w/ u on the fact that whites UNFAIRLY
dominate our society

but that doesn't make white people the only ones capable of
racism

fuck, i CANT BELIEVE U PEOPLE!!! u dont even know what ur
talking about
u dont even seem to know what racism is

what, r u completely ignorant, or r u just making up ur own
definitions for the sake of arguing?!?!


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:31 [#00194382]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



aminal, racism is discrimination + power to make that
discrimination effective, thats why the underdog can't be
racist


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:32 [#00194385]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



AMinal is obviously racist because he did not mention the
word Nigger in his last post. This should be considered a
hate crime because he obviously does not care enough for
African Americans to even mention the term.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:32 [#00194387]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



its not my personal definition, its a widely accepted one.


 

offline donkey from ipswich (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-26 00:33 [#00194389]
Points: 71 Status: Lurker



so many racists here


 

offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2002-04-26 00:34 [#00194391]
Points: 11920 Status: Regular



Donkey is also racist.

In an abstract attempt to categorize black women and set
them aside, he loosely uses the term "wide".

Negatively insinuating the size of the posterior-rectal
section of an African American female.


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:34 [#00194392]
Points: 3727 Status: Regular



reach 100? huh?


 

offline nanotech from Sukavasti Amitaba Pureland (United States) on 2002-04-26 00:35 [#00194393]
Points: 3727 Status: Regular



wuh?


 


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