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offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 09:53 [#02247590]
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the fact that religion mixes truths and lies is what makes
it so dangerous, and i'm not saying that Barcode is
arrogant, rather not very responsible, but he wouldn't give
a fuck anyways.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 09:58 [#02247591]
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and, honestly, i don't give a fuck about what Barcode says
too.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 10:37 [#02247597]
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Someone like Mohamed would call me a pessimist because he
thinks the world can be changed "one day" through changing
the value system via religion, socialism, capitalism,
whatever - they are all the same, man made philosophies that
are not grounded in reality.

When I speak of truth, I am not talking about a system, I am
talking about FACTS.

The big, big problem of humankind is that it believes
thought has made it superior to the other animals it shares
the planet with.

Animals live in total 100% truth. They live in reality, with
no distortion of that facts whatsoever. Whereas mankind has
invested everything in thought, which is an illusion
generator. The misuse of thought has divorced humankind from
reality almost completely, whereupon it lives a life based
on symbols and philosophies - not the actual truth.

You can call it pessimistic, optimistic, nihilistic or any
other "listic" you want. The FACT is. There is no God, there
is no buddha, there is no England, there is no "you" named
"Mohamed". These are ALL symbols, invented by thought and
therefore completely meaningless. The more you pray to them,
fight for them, cherish them, and see them for anything
other than the pointless symbols they are, the more utterly
lost you will become and the further and further you will
divorce yourself from reality.

Changing the names, the symbols, the systems is equally
meaningless as long as you give them any more credence than
what a name should be for, convenience.


 

offline plaidzebra from so long, xlt on 2008-10-23 10:44 [#02247598]
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anyone notice that barcode is just as much an obnoxious true
believer as the most strident fundie?

thank god i can resist the urge to argue his inane points.

must resist..."animals live in reality, with no distortion
of the facts"...gah! must...log...off....



 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 10:59 [#02247599]
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i'm beginning to think that you can't/won't read what i
type

Someone like Mohamed would call me a pessimist because he

thinks the world can be changed "one day" through changing
the value system via religion, socialism, capitalism,
whatever - they are all the same, man made philosophies that

are not grounded in reality.


i said that we can actually change our life and eventually
become happier than the way we are if we learn to use our
BRAIN properly, and not giving the chance to the
subconscious mind (you call it cerebellum right?), may it be
filled with parents' wrong education, religions or past life
experiences to drive our life at our post.

can you understand this?

what differences us from animals is the proportion of the
frontal lobe of the brain to the rest of every living
creature. the frontal lobe is responsible of free willing
amongst a lot of other things, and is the 30 to 40 percent
of our neocortex. wise people (call it prophets,
boddisatthvas, men of peace ect) said it in the past in
philosophicals manners but with the recent explosion of
brain research via new technologies those philosophical
assumpions are being proved in the labs.

believe it or not, people can cure their psychic suffering
if they really want, if you didn't know thoughts cause
emotions, emotions are chemical reactions that harm your
body other than you mind and influence other people's life
so if you can control thoughts, and it's hard, you can avoid
yourself unhappness, diseases, you can live a lot more than
a doctor told you if you got a very bad disease, and
sorround the people near you with something good rather than
the tv news you are used to report.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 10:59 [#02247600]
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Read a book by Wilhelm Reich called Listen, Little Man. It's
all about you. The damaged, mechanical-thinking, insecure
toad that pours acid on people's words because you haven't
the merest hint of intellect enabling you do anything other
than that.



 

offline -crazone from smashing acid over and over on 2008-10-23 11:01 [#02247601]
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two words:

"dark" and "light".

Thats it.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:01 [#02247602]
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fuck the typos, you got the picture ot you won't


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-10-23 11:02 [#02247604]
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what are you talking about fact?? this is just your own
philosophy which itself has been distorted likely by some
form of bitterness or depression. you aren't seeing this
more clearly than everyone else, who are you kidding? if
all of these other systems, ideas and philosophies are
meaningless than you have to see that yours is too. how do
you know there is no god? you can't disprove it to me
anymore than i can prove it to you. i think the evidence is
actually in favor of there being some sort of higher order
beyond the atom, and some sort of mind that has organized
all of it. it is all organized, you know..


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 11:10 [#02247605]
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I do read your type, and if you read mine you would have
noticed that I already answered to what you wrote.

The hope that humankind will change "eventually" will never
happen. We'll all be dead before then, so how about WE
change NOW.

So we're waiting for science to fix it? What a cop out.
Science didn't cause it, so why do we need science to fix
it?


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:11 [#02247606]
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do you know that people with 20 years of paralysis caused by
cerebral artery stroke HAVE REGAINED THE MOVEMENT OF THEIR
PARALIZED LIMBS? do you know that blind people can see with
the tongue? THIS IS FUCKING REAL!


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 11:14 [#02247609]
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Fact isn't a philosophy. Fact is fact - what you see with
your eyes and ears, without distortion from thought. As
animals don't have thought interrupting there senses and
telling them what they see, feel, hear and taste is
something else, they see things with complete purity.

I don't have a philosophy, that's the whole point of what
I'm saying.

And it's not up to me to disprove god or a higher order,
it's up to you to prove it. If I said I saw Elvis riding a
cow on the moon, would it be up to you to disprove it or
would you presume I am barking mad?


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:14 [#02247610]
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it's not science that fix it, forward thinking science is
beginning to explain the role of the brain into our lifes.
and giving ALOT of people a chance, more than a fucking
religion ever did.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:14 [#02247611]
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it US who fix it!


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:16 [#02247613]
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cause humans started all this shit, making thoughts became
reality. awww


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:22 [#02247614]
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intelligence, consciousness, force of will tell you
something? i hope so.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:41 [#02247620]
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sorry for all these posts but i wanted to add (and then
i'lll shut up i promise)

senses are the truth to those who doesn't have enough
knowledge/or intelligence if they have access to knowledge
to understand that reality is not what our eyes see. you
build your own reality basing on your past experiences that
are stored on your subconscius mind, so you make choices
basing on the fears, the insecurities and the sufferings you
had in the past. reality is the perception of things, and
you perceive things with your brain, you can see why having
control and free willing of what comes into your mind is so
important. living in the present, filtering all the shit
that this culture feed you everyday is living new
experiences, new emoptions, watching the little good things
the can happen to you everyday, somebody call them
coincidences. but when coincidences are more than two they
are not coincidences anymore. it's like when you fall in
love, you are 100% present to yourself and special things
happens to you. somebody once said that we are what we have
thought, and we will be what we are thinking today.


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-10-23 11:44 [#02247621]
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If we are all Gods children what is so special about Jesus?


 

offline 010101 from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-10-23 11:48 [#02247622]
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further more:
What's so special about the special fried rice?


 

offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2008-10-23 11:56 [#02247623]
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Seems that many people likes to cover their religions with
ethics, arguing that it helps to seek for good. Maybe its
true but its just becouse of dogmas property in religion to
do what it told. It would be beter to understand why to do
that way, but not just do, for someone who died for you and
so on.

Seems life quality is more dependent of mental state of
human, than proper thinking which is paradox becouse proper
thinking couses good brain status. Can stupid man live his
life in happines? I think yes, it is dependent of what you
call happines. I think everyone of us have colected array of
rules which forms our happines in our lifes. If your rule is
not rules, it is first rule for you. So if you state that
seek for happines is meaningless and life is meaningless,
than automaticly your actions become irational for you, so
whats the point of such thinking? Its like closing eyes and
just sit and wait what will be. So point is that sooner or
later everyone finds his path


 

offline Falito from Balenciaga on 2008-10-23 12:02 [#02247624]
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hollywood is the mecca , oh la la...
and Vatican its the Military central control,on the war of
religion.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2008-10-23 12:12 [#02247626]
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trinity


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 12:14 [#02247627]
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When I say life is meaningless, that doesn't mean hopeless
despair. On the contrary. We would be so much happier if we
realised life WAS meaningless, and then just got on with
doing whatever we want to do - with responsibility.

Trying to give life meaning where none exists - through
religion or other cultural models, is playing havoc with the
species and has caused untold misery, conflict and violent
premature death.

Instead humans need to accept life for what it is, a
transient moment, and deal with making the most of the
reality around us absent of any conflict. Then we will
automatically be a lot happier, safer, more secure. How than
can be construed as pessimistic or fatilistic is beyond me.


 

offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2008-10-23 12:58 [#02247644]
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My meening of life is search for meening of life. Without
meening life is pointless.


 

offline AphexAcid from Sweden on 2008-10-31 15:51 [#02249208]
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Monkey talk.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-10-31 17:03 [#02249225]
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ha ah ha ah ha ah


 

offline Tractern from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2008-11-01 10:43 [#02249374]
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That slam poem was awesome- thanks for that.

There's a lot of that kind of stuff going on pretty near to
where I live- this has encouraged me to go see it now, so
cheers.

I also love the way that theat guy even made fun of slam
poetry, with the grading of noises bit. Pretty cool.


 


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