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I see what will happen. So far its had no problem clinging to us. We've done no weeding so its become fat and lazy as far as mind viruses go. These weak strains like christianity and such are what the recent richard dawkins movement may fight off. But as you weed, natural selection continuously favors whatever more successful strains that happen to remain. So religious mind parasites will soon evolve to be much more aggressive and complicated, and strains that appear more fact based like alex jones viral memes may be more succesful. Unless those really are fact based since they're so good at replicating my brain partially believes them. The white house is indeed on a pentagram in google maps though. |
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NO! |
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yeah so in other words, there's always gonna be extremists fighting for some cause or another. if it's not religion, it's going to be something else. (and this is why the meme-idea is not much more than an idea. people are first and foremost psychological-driven. the meme is only an epiphenomena.) |
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The meme is idealistic bullshit |
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the meme is a usefull idea for explaining extremists behavior |
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Has there ever been any empirical studies on memes? In the naturalistic philosophy of science no one talkes about memes. but of course Dawkins has no clue about this |
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Richard Dawkins is a great biologist, but a crappy philosopher. He suffers from "expert's disease" that leads him to think that because he's a world-class biologist, he is a world-class general thinker. Which simply isn't the case. Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) is a great philosopher, but a crappy biologist. |
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Wow, another anti-religion thread, how original! |
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why would you need an empirical study for memes? to prove their existence? it's an abstract concept that puts things in a certain perspective so it can provide you with a different understanding of the thing you're looking at. similar to jung's archetypes, or freud's ich and super-ich and what have you not. if you wonder why there haven't been empirical studies on memes you don't know what you are talking about. |
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why would you need an empirical study for God? to prove its existence? it's an abstract concept that puts things in a certain perspective so it can provide you with a different understanding of the thing you're looking at. Memes are pure idealism and not needed for an explanation. Idealism = Religion. |
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i don't know what's cheaper. copying text or putting god/religion on the same level as memes. meme-ology, if you will, doesn't tell you what to do, what is right or wrong, or how things should be perceived. it's more of an anthropologist's dialect. |
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bass yall |
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The deist god doesnt tell me either what is right or wrong, or how things should be perceived. |
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are you the palin of philosophy? |
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Do you have anything else to say? |
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yes, would you like to know? |
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Sure |
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that doesn't sound too interested. why should i? |
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Because I rule |
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THE VIRUS SPEAKS!!! |
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wow someone posting that someone isnt original, how cliche. |
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Now don't be prejudiced. Maybe doing that is part of his |
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it was dennet in the clip btw. NOT dawkins. genius |
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what about being nice? can that be a religion? ` |
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Wow, the thread is a person? |
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it can! |
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no. people want to be controlled by ruthless bastards who will save/rape them |
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See, this thread, I say, this thread has lots of replies. If you blabbermouth barn yard dogs keep flappin your lips you're gonna get a sun burned tongue. Tongue that is. Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy. That's because the topic of religion is highly memetic. Memetic that is. |
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I thought fleetmouse had dibs on foghorn leghorn |
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Richard Dawkins is gay |
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phread author you are a stupid kid. get off your parents computer, get a job son, go back to school and learn. |
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religious authorities joining the forces to fight the human awareness |
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God, what a arrogant self-important cunt you are. Seems that you cannot avoid it if you emigrate to the USA. Are you aware that this is what people think about you guys in the old country? In case this is some provocation from obara: good job, I fell for it. |
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la pew can shoo |
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Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, papa-oom-oom-oom Oom-ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Papa-a-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow Papa-oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow Oom-oom-oom-oom-ooma-mow-mow Ooma-mow-mow, papa-ooma-mow-mow Papa-ooma-mow-mow, ooma-mow-mow Well don't you know about the bird? Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word! A-well-a bird, bird, b-bird's the word |
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religion is evil... faith is good. |
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It is the lack of emphasis on the actual activity of the human being with the information that dooms memetics to failure. Memeticists have adopted the view that information is independent of either its source or of its receiver, and can be effectively examined with little regard for either. The idea that one can examine the transfer of information without regard for the systems sending and receiving it has been challenged on a number of levels. People do not receive information and transmit it to others without processing and altering it in a way that is both highly sensitive to the environmental conditions at both the time the information is received and the time it is remembered, and highly dependent on the perceptual, attentional, and cognitive capabilities of those involved at both times. Memeticists have neglected to consider virtually all of the experimental data, from both social and cognitive psychology, concerning information processing, and the behaviors based on this information processing, in favor of an inaccurate model of information transmission (the conduit metaphor) and an untested and underdeveloped analogy to thedistantly related field of epidemiology. With regard to how information is transmitted with potential mutation and is subject to selective forces leading to differential survival, the writings of memeticists are about as vague as their attempts to define the meme. It is also not clear to what extent we can meaningfully discuss transmission of information (as opposed to reconstruction of information). Memeticists have also not done enough to differentiate memetic transmission of information from non-memetic transmission. It is known that humans can transmit information to each other that could not reasonably be considered memetic. For example, Russell, Switz, and Thompson (1980) showed that human menstrual cycles become synchronized through olfactory cues. J.W. Polichak |
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JESUS sacrificed himself for the sake of mankind, and THIS is how we reward him....? he died THREE TIMES for us humans, and then RESURRECTED and came back to earth FOUR WEEKS later while riding a FLYING RHINOCEROS that dictated everything. THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA. |
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listen to squarepusher he is your god now. and twin is our lord jesustwin :P |
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(complementary remark to my own post: CAN be read as poem). |
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you can always count intelligent dance nerds for insightful info! WATCH ME DANCE INTELLIGENTLY TO RELIGION! boom pow bam bam bam zappa kow In your face you Brits. |
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sorry,. not Brits, UrinePeeins |
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religion is evil... faith is good. What is one without the other? What does anyone have faith in, if not a religion or a set of spiritual precepts. If you have faith in something, human nature for example, there are no set rules, so it doesn't make you feel secure and you can't take refuge in it, as it is a constant state of flux. Relgion is good. People just exploit it in a way that makes it do bad things to people and the planet. It is like saying alcohol is bad- look where that landed the Americans. Religion and vices are things that are inherent in mankind. It is just taking the easy way out to say that you should just remove them completely. it is not possible. Humans need them, to save some and kill others. Plus, wihtout these things history and literature, in fact all culture would be boring and meaningless. Quite a price to pay. |
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it's easier to believe that your troubles are fault of other people and commit your happiness to some higher entity that would save or punish you depending on how much fear you have of it. |
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If there was no religious thinking there would be nobody or nothing to exploit, so why not get rid of it? All religion, or ritual, does is atrophy the brain - corrupt truth. Culture is already meaningless, life already boring. It's the manifestation of culture and escape from 'what is' that has created the religious myths and all the nonsensical drivel that goes along with it. For god sake, just accept life is meaningless. Don't move from there. Unforunatelty, we have made life a lot more than meaningless, but violent and destructive too. Meaningless would be welcome. |
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you know Barcode, your meaningless attiude smells of 'i have found the truth you stupids what are you fighting for'. let the normal people see that there are some gradual passages before reaching a supposed truth, changin thru the CONTROL of the same thoughts that make thier mind lie to themselves, that make people what they are, spiritually and physically. |
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Religion can "born" when human is frighten by suspense, or he just want to know everything even it is not possible, or it is clearly forbidden for human mind. I think religion growth is conversely proportional to human intelligence. Its like indicator, it shows what is tolerated in society. |
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You will find the truth a lot quicker when you realise what is NOT the truth. Religion is certainly not the truth and never can be. Religion is organised, crystallised, fixed. There is no road to truth because it's not at a fixed point, it's like saying there's a road to oxygen. You want people to find truth slowly, via religion? It will never happen - the process of becoming never arrives, obviously. Humans have been here hundreds of thousands of years, and still haven't used the brain they've been born with, so what makes you think anything will be better in another 100,000 years. The only think that will be more sophisticated is the technology used to kill people. Remember, religion is just a word. The word is not the thing, it's just a symbol. It's all about weak people manipulating weak people, and weak people willing to be manipulated. Unless that changes nothing will, you can it whatever you want. |
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not via religion, via the use of their own brain! and the fact that you are still not doing it by simply assuming that the situation won't change, talking about arms and killing and stuff does not discourage me and should not discourage those who try that change, either. |
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I think there could be truth in a religion. Fair enough though, they are pretty static and don't often take into account current issues, such as homosexuality, abortion, drug usage e.t.c I don't think Barcode is arrogant- he just expresses his opinions with a lot of conviction. I think it is fatalistic to say that religion is a loda crap, though. I am not actually religious, either. Then again, what is the truth then Barcode, if no religions know? Also, how would you describe yourself Barcode, if you had to? Scientist, nihlist, fatalist, pessimist, optimist, empiricist? |
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