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I agree though, he's dead. |
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Jesus, any tart could see that I'm not referring literally to the tuss. I didn't even read end of your post because you've obviously completely misconstrued my meaning. "feeding off of one thing and going on the next." haha that's exactly what you're doing you tit. oh wait, michael was your whole childhood... LOL |
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so you were referring then to the tuss meaning a penis? I'm sorry help me here, i'm lost. |
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argh guys. dont get so heated. yeah im having a fight with barcode but that aside this really should be an interesting thread. michael was massive, bigger than elvis. he is the most fascinating look into the inevitable rot of the american dream. and the rot was there. seriously, even if you ignore every screaming instinct within you, there are good reasons to believe there was something really fishy going on. my oppinion on michael has been steadily forming for years (like i said i think its v interesting) but during that time ive never picked up the sun, watched bbc news ect. i still say the most personal insight into him is moonwalker which im sure was his creation through and through. not only does the film convey some of the basics of peado psychology but many of its intricate details. the short film ghosts even more so, its actually very creepy. and considering its quite venomous nature its hard to believe hes just a kind loving soul as it was his idea, was financed by his money, and was right after/relating to the recent court cases. just using that as an example; i find it hard to believe that michael was so tortured by the accusations (to the point where he just wanted it all over, paying MILLIONS to end it), then on the other hand created a film like this in which he chastises the children that 'told the secret' and scares the mayor (heavily based on the lawyer that gave him such a hard time) and makes him throw himself out of the window. i still, in some ways, am not sure. watching the bashir doc makes me wonder if im right at all. but i think michaels lived his whole life controlling his image of himself, playing mr nieve 'i just want to share some childhood' probably wouldnt have been that hard. i really would like to go on about this all day folks. i think its relevant and not really disrespectful. we talk about science/girls/'tuss' all day lets squeeze this in aswell. why not. dont call me worm tho thats not a debate thats just crap |
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one of the things i find most worth talking about is michaels sexuality. the bashir doc portrays him as a sexless, child minded, innocent with a mousey voice. sex is the last thing on his mind right? no. every part of that man oozed sexuality. his moves, his voice, his look. it was all so souped up on sex. he conveyed himself as a very sexual person. you cant fake that kind of charisma, it was fucking massive. but. where did he invest that sexuality? it wasn't with women at all, but not with men either....thats a grey area isnt it. so putting 2+2 together; very sexual man (unless youre going to assume he could only be sexual on stage. and that he defies male sexual nature and dosnt require sex at all outside of that performance) + the child ting. youd have to really be reaching to come up with an alternative. if thats too weak an argument then think of his performance on totp (which anyone with any decency would avoid considering the court stuff). is he shy or is he flaunting? is he really clueless or is he living the peado dream; doing it in front of everyone? i understand that none of this is conclusive at all, its speculation. but with cases of child molestation it always goes this way. there is never anything concrete, just hints and undertones. as if we didn't have more than enough to go on here. i honestly reccomend ghosts and moonwalker. watch them both carefully before you defend the man. he was smart |
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kids! whos up for some naked twister! |
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Xltronic is of course a coarse, naïve, somewhat introverted and emotionally reduced, pseudo-gay collection of failed Eurotrash boy dreams of success, intelligence and recognition. I'm indiffeent to irony as such, I like funny irony. What are you trying to pull? Obvious, repetitive jokes about gossip and weakness? Are those funny to you? Michael Jackson was one of the most gifted men in music. He created new music, fusioning jazz and Motown, linking pop and rock. He was a true innovator in total control of his early expression. He ignited the world. His dance was divine. He created the music video as we know it. You can't like music without respecting, honouring him. |
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actually most on here are virgins |
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he prolly should have died after thriller. tbqh and musically |
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Hanal! Explain yourself. Do you want to? Do you feel like it? Do you have to? What's your interest, what's your nature? I know you like posting anal sexual imagery. That's all I know about you. You have 12.080 posts. Are you interested in music? |
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masugnen you seem like an alright guy. give me a little more credit tho. |
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you obviously don't know much about hanal. ever seen him post mixes? |
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Ampi you wonder why he didn't ever fuck any body, probably because he had a whole audience to entertain every day of his life, people watching his every move i'm sure as soon as he walked out the door, let's not forget here that michael jackson isn't some colin farrell, he doesn't go fucking every girl he meets. He probably had fucked up sexual experiences with women alot older than him before he had hair on his nuts. his whole life on this earth was since an infant, in front of a microphone and selling himself out to keep his money. He didn't need to fuck children to escape from all of that. Plus masturbation is a sexual activity that you didn't consider. Which i'm sure a recluse like him did often. Don't watch the BAshir Interview, it was shit they edited the shit out of it and twisted it, you should watch the one, "Life with Michael Jackson" Hosted by Maury. IT still is dramatized but it shows footage from michael's camera he had going during the interviews. I think the whole thing about him and kids is that he just loves being around they're free-spirited personalities instead of business driven, mind-fucked emotionally disturbed adults. Michael recognized that he wasn't the one that was wierd, it was all the others pointing fingers and couldn't deal with their own lives. He even said his father was a genius for the way he brought his kids, they didn't get into alot of trouble, didnt really get into drugs or delinquencies. They were just on one tight ass leash. Mike the most. imo |
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Hanal's lowest level is insufficient, don't you think? |
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you better believe it |
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retape, your thread is quite succesful |
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nah man thats not the point at all. no ones understanding my point here. just take my word for it. is peado |
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Your point is redundant. A much more salient point, and one that refuse to broach because you're probably too right wing, is that if Jackson was a paedo he was a man-made paedo. You still seem to think that somebody with a life like his was capable of rational, lucid behaviour - I'd say the abuse he suffered would have rendered that impossible. That's why you're a worm. You want the quick fix, the lethal injection, forget cause and effect. People like you ensure society remains entrenched in its own petty little rut, where abuse is perpetually sustained by the ignorance of the many. Even if you don't inflict it personally, you're still part of that big ugly thought machine - therefore, guilty. |
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lol 'i dont get personally involved on websites' sheeeit. dont presume im right wing just cos youre that kind of left. your case is rubbish, of course he was lucid. you dont understand. 'man made' is a redundant point, if you really want to throw words like redundant around. you cant indentify the subtle details, youre the narrow one. you havnt even thought this out, its obvious you havnt even looked at what ive suggested just shunned it out of snobbery and fashionable thinking. you could be so much more fucking grown up about this. you know nothing of this abuse and the way you harp on is rediculous. its like its the only point youve got to contribute to this. remember when you said it the first time and i said 'yeah', well then it needn't be repeated cos it really isnt the focus of what michael was. if im the right wing media slaved twit then why is it you spouting the 'jacko, victim of a cruel life' tv drivel. IVE DONE NUFF MORE THINKING ON THIS THAN YOU. NUFF YOU LITTLE MAN. |
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"refuse to broach because you're probably too right wing" shit man. fuck you flexing your cock at me. i was 'broachin' that shit 2 years ago. i grew out of your small perspective. and as if this point isnt obvious enough despite realising that its not entirely true. i said this before but you werent listening. you are so that kind of left ha. is why i hate you |
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MJ made some great tunes in his time, kudos to him for that. The king of pop. RIP. |
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"I think the whole thing about him and kids is that he just loves being around they're free-spirited personalities instead of business driven, mind-fucked emotionally disturbed adults. Michael recognized that he wasn't the one that was wierd, it was all the others pointing fingers and couldn't deal with their own lives." this is terrible. would people please stop underestimating me on this. and sorry pclock i really dont want to criticise its just youre wrting this to me as if i was too stupid to have considered, and i did, but moved on because it really is wrong. the bashir doc was the least damning insight into michael ive watched. my oppinion has come from observing his art. shit dont make me write an essay, i will do that. |
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i think he prob just slipped the odd finger up children's bums then just had a wank after. |
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"I think the whole thing about him and kids is that he just loves being around they're free-spirited personalities instead of business driven, mind-fucked emotionally disturbed adults." There's a lot of truth in that. Society stinks to its core. It's got so bad that can't even enjoy an innocent pleasure like sharing a bedroom with your nephew for example without people thinking your a paedo. You can't even go there. As if a bed + a child automatically = sex. I remember babysitting my nephew when he was a baby, and I was scared to go into his room to check he was sleeping ok in case my brother and his wife got home, came upstairs and saw me in his room. That's what media/society has implanted in people's heads. |
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I was just explaining what i thought.. me, my thoughts on the subject of michael jackson's lifestyle, not what i think you should think, notice how i said, "I think the whole thing about him and kids is that..." Sorry if we can't agree about his possible pedophile acts, but i wouldn't be SO surprised if we end up factually finding that he did molest a kid. But as of now, with no evidence, no real reason to go on other than people having "a hunch" because he's so wierd and abnormal and because the kid's parents sued michael and got money from it. |
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Interesting thought.. Shows how paranoid and fear driven society is sometimes.. |
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sad sad sad |
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I find a discussion about Michael Jackson's masturbation habits absurd. and perverse. But on a general note I would like to respond Ampi Max's thesis on sexuality. I think he's wrong. I believe most official demonstrations of male potence in proportional magnitude cover a private impotence. History's rich of examples: Napoleon, Hitler et al. (On the other hand we have the madonna sexuality of the female: in an aura of innocense, frailty and virginity, girls attract men stronger.) The effeminate male poses an insult to the macho, afraid in his own sexual identity. Barcode presents several points. We love to read about Fritzl rapes, serial killing, sex sects. The pedophilia of Michael Jackson is a pervese phantasm of a sexually disturbed society in hatred of all personal idiosyncracy and divergence. Everything under the Sun can be attributed to this apparent freak, beast. Can also a streak of envious vengence be traced? You cannot be too successfull, you know. We love to build icons ad then tear them apart. In post mortem retrospect we carte blanche ourselves saying we've always loved the ouevre. |
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What's wrong with bringing up masturbation in a conversation about Michael's supposed pedophilia? I brought it up so that people would stop insinuating he was trying to fuck/not fuck everybody who stood next to him. Sex is an activity that he chose not to engage in most times (from what i gather), so that leaves masturbation as a release valve if he was feeling sexually frustrated. Knowing this, it seems more irrational to think he wanted to have sex with a child as well. This whole discussion wasn't about masturbation either. |
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I suggest you phantasize irrationally and counterproductivly. Why do you want to defend him on the field of sexuality when noone can launch any real attack there? Your argument affirms the allegation discourse and the sexual sickness of society. |
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i'm not trying to say that society doesn't have mechanisms that people use in such ways as you said, like when men mask their own insecurity about sex by making more anxious men look less masculine. This i agree with, and i've also pointed out in this thread. Who am i defending here? I am only defending my own ability to have a separate opinion from AMPI's. I am defending, with logic, my opinion on why it is incorrect to assume he molested a child, which again is why i brought up masturbation. Sorry if that comes off to you as conterproductive or perverse. |
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isn't this thread a 'thriller'? |
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I thought you wanted to defend Michael Jackson. I don't care about the internal battles on this forum. "He didn't need to molest a child since he could wank and order hockers and surf porn on the Internet. He had access to it all. He could masturbate. He did masturbate. It seems very, very likely that he did masturbate. He did often masturbate. I think he often did masturbate so he didn't need to molest a child." |
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yeah alright. i dont dissagree with any of that really but its not the point. 1st is the sexuality thing. my ideas on all this are based pretty heavily on moonwalker, a film that obviously came from him very personally. its an art film in some ways, not a kids hollywood feature. its a very conscious and deceptive piece of work. aimed exclusively at children it mixes disturbing elements, subtle but its there. some of those are for example him painting himself as a saviour to these children, whilst not really sympathising with them. in that i mean the film itself is luring the childs attention yet is not nurturing the childs perspective, rather introducing it to something more adult. besides that he paints himself as a god and saviour, rather than placing himself on a more comfortable child level; he wants to control them not be part of them (which is why i dont buy that 'i just want to be a kid again). the whole film is a plotless mess, except when you look at it from the angle of pedo art, where its an almost perfect expression of a molesters world. in the film michael expresses himself as the controller, using dreams and promises of safety. not only that but he promises magic to the children, portraying himself as the magic in these childrens lives. youre special if michael comes to save you. id have to show you clips to really make my point. anyway 'ghosts' is a much harder example. it makes my point very clear. a basic summary of it is; the kids told everyone, now michael must razzle dazzle the parents and 'scare' the accuser; the one that just dosn't understand michael, wont let him do what he wants. also he must punish the children so he scares them in two ways; firstly with a demonstration of his power to 'scare' and secondly threatening to die and leave them. again i need to show clips. 2nd Barcodes points are poo, not that i disagree. please remember tho i havnt got my ideas from papers or tv, its from michaels own personal works. |
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wait who are you quoting? |
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What you're failing to understand is that, for fuck's sake, how is his art evidence for anything? Do you also think Francisco Goya went around eating children? |
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dude...do you think kids are even old enough to grasp the concept of a personal saviour? Do you think the even give a shit? Why would michael hand craft this whole thing and sell it to the public? Like it's a code only kids can crack and understand. Michael believed he was peter-pan, probably being the epitome of "Peter-pan syndrome" disproving your child saviour pedophiliac theory. He wanted to help kids be able to express themselves as kids. And yes kids are sexual by the way, don't try to act like kids aren't sexually active even if they can't reproduce. |
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pedos never just wank off. no one understands this but they dont love children, or even like childrens bodies. its the control and control ppl never stop at wanking. michael was given too much control when young, also he was the golden goose and control came easy. everyone is buying the soft broken paper pale michael. i kind of feel absurd suggesting it but i think thats an act. remember it was him and the rest of his fake squeeky voiced johavas witness family who sold us the 'victim' image of michael. it feels like media spin more than the pedo accusations |
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I'm quoting the subconscious implosion of your thought process, Pulseclock. Ampi Max doesn't convince me. You'll find what you('ll) seek. I am in no way hesitant towards the tormented nature of Michael Jackson's psychology. It is not impossible that he suffered a Messiah complex. I've not seen his movies but certain late videos affirms this suggestion. He was clearly a fucked up guy – but why should I care and why should I speculate in a sexual extrapolation? The music gives me more. |
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wtf? that dosnt make a lick of sense. of course its a part of him. goya didnt want to eat children but the part that wanted to express that was all him, a huge part of him. moonwalker is all michael |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias |
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I'm gonna say it again, i don't assume he did or didn't have sex with a child. I do however find it to be more rational to be that he didn't. If we all find out one day, if one of the kids that was supposedly molested comes forward as an adult and says it was all a lie, or it was truth, that's when i'll start making my judgements. Even still, given his history and lifestyle since a child, finding out he actually was having sex with children, he would just be another adult who was screwed up way before he ever was tempted to touch a kid. |
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yes kids do grasp saviours. thats why he was the ultimate guy youd love to be with for kids across the globe. again hes not sharing with kids, hes teaching them something. hes not getting cosy in there world, hes coaxing them into his. he full well knows that kids are sexual, he knows it. and yes! it is a code for kids. abused kids dont even know they are being abused because of these kind of subtle tactics. its a manipulative film. this sounds far fetched dosnt it...but im right |
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Well since you revealed your psychic powers, maybe you can use them to your advantage. |
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I have questions for you: Do you hate pedophiles? If Michael Jackson was a pedophile, what's in it for you? Is it stimulating to think about pedophily? Do you hate murderers? |
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you could be right, and it makes sense seeing as how *myself inlcuded* many children were drawn to him. But to me it seems you are turning him into a demon, as if he should be burned alive for his witchy-ways. It's not like this was his motive in life even if what you are saying is true, i think you have a concept of evil that might be amplified. |
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"why should I care and why should I speculate in a sexual extrapolation?" because it defines something truly relevant. it defines america and the bones of the dead natives its all built on. it defines the lie of perfection. this is why barcodes point is empty because this is the real human sickness; our gods fathers and paedophiles (im not quite sure what i mean but im right). ha im enjoying this ill be back later yo |
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