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offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 16:24 [#02301109]
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"Even still, given his
history and lifestyle since a child, finding out he actually

was having sex with children, he would just be another adult

who was screwed up way before he ever was tempted to touch a
kid."
this isnt a good thing. its not ok to say this. stop letting
him play the victim. cant brush it off like that



 

offline MetallicaDude from the stazhole on 2009-06-28 16:24 [#02301110]
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im not quite sure what i mean but im right


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 16:28 [#02301111]
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hah i bet you are, you're getting back into your underdog
position, where you are to "prove everyone wrong." Haha you
act like Americans came up out of the ocean and had a plan
of doom for the world, they were ex-Brits duh, UH OH people
of YOUR descent also! Just because they did something fucked
up doesn't make me the same as them. It makes me genetically
similar and in my opinion a victim of circumstance, like
everyone else who was fucked over in life.


 

offline MASUGNEN from Lund (Sweden) on 2009-06-28 16:28 [#02301112]
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The lie of perfection is told by the perfectionist. Why
would you believe in perfection in the first place?
Perfection is antihuman.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2009-06-28 16:28 [#02301113]
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the saddest thing is i'm sure you fancy yourself as
progressive and have no idea how much of a fascist you
really are


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 16:29 [#02301114]
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dude if i was in the room of the "ACT THAT TOOK PLACE" as
you see it, trust me i would have got fired up and taken
michael's face and made him eat his toilet. But
unfortunately i can't know that for sure. Sorry for being
realistic once again.


 

offline MASUGNEN from Lund (Sweden) on 2009-06-28 16:31 [#02301115]
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Pulseclock! What the hell do you mean?


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 16:37 [#02301117]
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Oh sorry, American expression. I mean i would physically
abuse Mikey by grabbing him by his head and repeatedly slam
it into his toilet, (assuming i ever were to goto his house
at a time when he'd be molesting a kid)

I probably wouldn't be that violent, i would actually just
yell very loudly , "HEY! MOTHERFUCKER, WHAT THE FUCK IS
GOING ON!" and then that would scare him enough, and then
i'd call the cops. This is all theoretical too.


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 16:42 [#02301119]
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By the way i'm at my mom's place and she has been playing
the hits of M.J. since about 2 p.m. A nice touch to this day
of messageboard bickering.


 

offline MASUGNEN from Lund (Sweden) on 2009-06-28 16:47 [#02301121]
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Pulseclock!

While "defending" Jackson, do you feel a compensatory need
to demonstrate pedophiliac hatred?

I think it's sadly revealing that Pulseclock/most of us in
situ would punish/kill the molestor rather than attend, help
the child. You don't argue that way in case of any other,
even serious crime, do you? Sex engages.


 

offline big from lsg on 2009-06-28 16:50 [#02301122]
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but you're so left and libetarian (according to that
internet test) everyone is more fascist than you

anyway i like ampi max but i think mj is innocent, though
maybe he took a shower with the kids.

this whole pedophilia hunt thing in our society has gone
wrong anyway and serves as a 'nice' outlet for hatred of
people, because it's the worst thing they can think of etc.


 

offline big from lsg on 2009-06-28 16:56 [#02301123]
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hm, maybe society was fascist towards mj. they wouldn't let
him be and beat him down hard


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 16:56 [#02301124]
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MASUGNEN!

I'm sorry i didn't mean to seem like i would actually do
that, it was more of a message for AMPI that hopefully got
through, to let him know that it's not like i dismiss the
act, like i think it's nothing. Any wrongdoing, pedos,
rapists, murderers is a form retaliation from something
else, it is to anesticize an injury or pain caused before.

Like i said i'm not that violent, hopefully, I mean i think
seeing that take place in reality would make me
scared/anxious and i would probably lapse in judgement
before knowing the right thing to do at that very moment.
I'm sure i would try to diffuse the situation and make sure
the kids is separated from the adult.

Theoritcal situations blahhhhhhhhhhhhh



 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2009-06-28 17:07 [#02301125]
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even if you forget about the
death-penalty-is-alright-sometimes (for crimes towards
it's-his-choice-to-be-a-pedo-his-environment-has-nothing-to
children) and the -do-with-it things

do you think it's okay to deny someone's proven innocence on
totally baseless claims and sick fantasies, posturing as
some kind of expert on pedophilia, unquestionable moral
authority, judge, jury, righter of wrongs?

it's fine to doubt, but what's happening here is disgusting


 

offline big from lsg on 2009-06-28 17:26 [#02301127]
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i don't know. maybe ampi just liked having a discussion, and
maybe it's how he really felt.

mj wasn't proven innocent though, he bought off one asshole
family. i have forgiven him now for that. for many it's
still proof he did it


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2009-06-28 17:31 [#02301128]
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not the same case yo


 

offline big from lsg on 2009-06-28 17:32 [#02301129]
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many would happily execute just suspects of pedophilia. ampi
is coping with his disgust of someone he thinks to be a
pedophile with more grace


 

offline big from lsg on 2009-06-28 17:37 [#02301131]
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do you mean we're talking specifically about that case

because this one might be on ampi's mind



 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 17:59 [#02301133]
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"Adult materials found at Neverland included over 70
magazines of heterosexual porn, including publications
dedicated to mature and overweight women."

MASUGNEN!


 

offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2009-06-28 18:05 [#02301134]
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Just because a court finds a person not guilty doesn't mean
that person is really innocent (and vice versa). This isn't
a claim that Michael was a paedo, but rather that the people
championing him just because he was found not guilty should
tread carefully. Remember, he had millions of dollars with
which to fund his defense in court and his PR. No amount of
evidence presented in court ever reflects 100% of the life
of the defendant. He lived in a large estate with many, many
closed doors. I like to think that he wasn't a paedo, but I
am not bold enough to claim that I can say with certainty
that he wasn't one simply based on the outcome of a trial in
a very flawed court system.


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:06 [#02301136]
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it'd be nice if you didn't link to a website with
information that is biased.

this one is more credible

wiki


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:08 [#02301138]
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lol wot are you talking about. relax it wasnt supposed to be
personal. shit i wasn't even talking at you. im right tho i
swear


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:16 [#02301143]
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you treating everyone else childishly only makes your
opinions seem childish. If you are right, maybe you can host
a celebration party on how you were right all along, maybe
you can get one of those special little party cakes made
that have a desgin that relates to what your celebrating.


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:27 [#02301146]
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ok woteva man peece


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:28 [#02301147]
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like this post.
and i didnt follow the 2005. 1993 was more interesting i
dunno. i didnt intend being completely stubborn about my
judgement on mj, but i've gotten more so as the thread
developed. this has become a rich debate im enjoying this.
anyway i still, despite how damning ive been, have got my
doubts. but its not like ppl havnt been biased. everyone has
given him the benefit of the doubt, prefering to dismiss all
accusations as media crap. its not impossible to believe
that michael wasnt fishy as fuck, but you have to admit
sometimes it hard to convince yourself.
yo im not on a pedo witch hunt. that isnt the do all and end
all of what im trying to discover in michael. he is a
profound character and inside his story lies some kind of
understanding for me. the peadophilia is important in this


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:32 [#02301148]
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yes peash.
im just not getting my point accross so i get on my high
horse instead. i dont mean to get arrogant.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:37 [#02301149]
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that is the smarmiest wiki link evar. nobhed


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:41 [#02301150]
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you just make every argument seem not important. I don't
mean life-or-death important, but for the sake of having a
logical conversation you should try and explain why you
think the way you do so that way we can see why. Instead of
expecting evryone else jus te b all gud mate. but your post
to zephyr twin is revealing of yourself. I think you just
think i'm like trying to side with your enemy barcode. so
that's why you dismiss everything i say for the most part.
AAnd its annoying to to talk to someone's penis.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:51 [#02301151]
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WTF. that dosnt make any sense to me. none of it
1. i did explain. i have explained. why was no one
listening
2, i like zephyrs post cos in it he dosnt call me stupid or
suggest ive been reading too much mirror, and is a fair
enough point "the people championing him just because he was
found not guilty should tread carefully." i agree. so i said
i liked that post. cool
3. i didnt see you siding with barcode. forget him hes a
cockwipe
4. i didnt ignore what you said. i answered a lot of it
quite straight forwardly. i just didnt agree at all. some of
the posts almost seemed as if you were listening straight
thru stuff id said earlier. you have done that havnt you.
5. i thought i was being quite nice when i basically
apologised for how i seemed to come accross on this. i
thought i explained. again youre not listening or was just
confused i dont get it either


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:53 [#02301152]
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this seems to be getting ppl really hot n bothered.


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:53 [#02301153]
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no you're right, my bad.


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:55 [#02301155]
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no right now my feet are at the best cold temperature. I
love it when that happens, i finally get to forget about my
hot feet after a long work day...so u h Ampi, wanna fondle?


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-28 18:58 [#02301157]
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is what it feels like when doves cry
*passes the spilff


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-28 18:59 [#02301158]
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HYEEE...Hyeuuoahhhhhhahhhh

*synth melody*


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-06-29 03:19 [#02301214]
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I think you're giving yourself far too much credit there
ampi.

Also you'd find people a lot more willing to listen without
your 'I'm so right' attitude. It makes any even slightly
relevant points redundant in others eyes as you come across
as a prick who thinks he has some gleaming insight in to
things others can't begin to understand (which you don't).

This row should have ended two pages ago when everyone
should have realised that they're all wittering on about
mindless speculation about a guy they've never met and
making accusations which will most likely never be proven
one way or the other. Really, who gives a fuck?

I'd also like to add that, in my opinion, advocation of the
death penalty in any circumstances is fucking retarded,
regardless of the crime. Feel free to call me a liberal puff
or whatever.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 04:08 [#02301224]
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shit! i wasnt expecting this.
look. i didnt start off arrogant. i was told over and over
that i needed to go away and do more thinking and that i
really shouldnt be sucked in by media spin blah blah. it was
insulting. also no one has been listening at all. honestly
ive done a lot of thinking about this. it is really fucking
interesting, its more relevant than '911 was an inside job'
or 'what is existence made of'. ive posted a lot explaining
why, but i just keep getting written off as you are doing
now.
i like you i wasnt expecting the venom on this. btw no one
has debated my "advocation of the death penalty" which was
one post you lot have obviously gotten really stuffy about
(without bringing it to my attention, which is impolite i
guess). i again could debate that all day long. i guess
liberal puff is spot on cos all liberal puffs get on a super
self righteous one over this. it was a small post and look
at the reactions. tbh i dont think its very forward thinking
to write it off as retarded. you lot make out like you
really understand what it is to be open minded and fair. no.
i have known and met people that deserve to die. what
makes wanting them trapped in prison hell so much more
enlightened. ive always thought it more sadistic than a more
dignified end to a life. fuck reforming them, the victims
never get a chance to reform after a shitstorm strikes there
life for no good reason. so i guess you think i want
everyone who steals a loaf of bread be chopped up? please
just talk if you want to talk.
i have been on the defense, its you 'liberal puffs' that
have been witch burning. shit


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 04:10 [#02301225]
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this was supposed to be about michael. you have all just
shutdown the debate like your terrified of it, like touching
it makes you a daily mail pleb. thnx to those who debated
this a little.


 

offline yoyoyoyo from Sweden on 2009-06-29 04:17 [#02301228]
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your all saying the same thing all over innit


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2009-06-29 04:20 [#02301229]
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What makes you think we're all okay with prison?


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 04:24 [#02301232]
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"you come across as a prick who thinks he has some gleaming
insight..."
no barcode did that, does it all the time. i was just
enthusiastic, then later became defensive the more ppl said
things like this:
"...in to things others can't begin to understand (which you
don't)."
have you watched the moonwalker clips i linked. have you
thought about this at all. i do know what im talking about
here. but i know, I KNOW, that you havent even considered my
points. you have jumped to conclusions on me. you combining
this criticism of me with 'you death penalty thug' further
confirms that. you have not considered my point, have
dismissed it as bollox, then have told me what a small
narrow twat i must be for even imagining. that is exactly
why im on the defense. NO ONE WAS LISTENING cos if you were
you'd at least say "well thats not a bad point, even if im
not sure youre right at all", because the point is not just
crap. i cant believe you ppl. what happened here. its like
arguing with the die hard mj fans, youre all so venomous
about this. (again i do recognise those who werent being
like this)


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 04:36 [#02301234]
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just talk now?
well i dunno its prison or death no? maybe not. i saw this
doc on reforming sex offenders with castration. it worked.
one was talking about how he just didnt need that any more,
how he cant see how he could have thought like that. reform
isnt something im strongly against, but im vengeful. i have
this kind of samurai attitude to evil, how those who've
crossed certain sacred lines cannot come back out of
principle. its more of a philosophy than anything id like to
see as part of the justice system. i dont really want
hangings.
ive always understood the ugliness of death penalty, and
understand why ppl wanted it changed long ago. it feels bad
for good reasons.
yo but there are some ppl, some fucking ppl that are so low.
they are a such a sneering swaggering affront to all those
who dedicated there whole lives to making things better. i
hate them and dont want them to have a second chance.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-06-29 05:13 [#02301238]
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No venom from me, I was merely trying to help explain all
the animosity you're receiving.

I don't want to get in to the whole death penalty thing, I
just mentioned my stance as an insight in to which way my
bread is buttered.

In all honesty I've enjoyed your stance ampi and respect you
sticking to your guns. My thoughts no Jacksons personal life
are null. I don't know the guy.


 

offline Indeksical from Phobiazero Damage Control (United Kingdom) on 2009-06-29 05:15 [#02301239]
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You need to relax. It's the internet.


 

offline Barcode from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 05:59 [#02301246]
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"yo but there are some ppl, some fucking ppl that are so
low.
they are a such a sneering swaggering affront to all those
who dedicated there whole lives to making things better. i
hate them and dont want them to have a second chance."

This is where you're fucking up. You never ask yourself
"why"? Why is paedo a paedo, a serial killer a serial
killer. You seem to think their inherently evil.

First, there's no such thing as evil or good - it's a
figment of the imagination, applied within the context of
what a society deems morally acceptable. Yet it's that very
society, that framework, that is corrupted and creates the
so called "evil" man.

You create it, hate it, then kill it. All the while creating
more and more "evil". This is because you as an individual
are insensitive and corrupt.

Taking Michael Jackson as a case study to justify "evilness"
is so profoundly stupid on every level, if only because more
than anyone in the whole wide world, it's so painfully easy
to see how was abused and manufactured to become the freak
he was; sexually, physically and mentally.


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 10:07 [#02301277]
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alright barcode. if you still insist on underestimating me
then ill explain:
1. i ask myself 'why' all the time. ive thought about his
past, and his feelings. i also went thru this stage of
concentrating on his background as a means to
understand/sympathise with him. around the time of the court
case i was very much defending him in conversations. i
believed then that perhaps he had been intimate with
children, but its obviously down to tragic freudian
complexities from a bad childhood. i felt sorry for him.
my friend's dad raped him when he was 5 maybe 6. i discussed
a lot of this michael stuff with him over the years. he said
to me "dont look for reasons when it comes to peados cos its
like another world. they arent good at all, the past dosn't
matter" like that but in more words.

2. there is such thing as good and evil. its definition is
hazey but its there. its evil to hurt an innocent, its evil
to break a good thing. be honest here; tell me that you dont
feel it when you see it.
good/bad is not a social illusion, its an instinct. its the
difference between love and pain. i define good and evil
this way: a human has one existence and is compelled by his
own emotions to feel happy, that is our incentive. so
socially we cooperate to construct a more comfortable
existence (ideally). everything that makes that society
better and 'happier' is a good thing. this is because this
way there is less pain and more happiness. evil is
the deconstruction of good things and/or contribution of
pain to a single person or a society. you measure the amount
of goodness lost - the amount of pain inflicted (also
considering how much that person/society deserved
that pain) and there is your measure of 'evil'. evil is
malicious intent, sadism, extortion...
im sure youre not convinced. you never are. ill continue


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 10:39 [#02301291]
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last point here barcode. you said:
"You create it, hate it, then kill it. All the while
creating
more and more "evil"."
i didnt create it. the american dream did, which is
something im obviously never going to get around to
explaining as we're still at this point. you can hate me for
whatever stiff reason youve got in mind just stop suggesting
i hadnt considered all of these mind numbingly standard
ideas.
"it's so painfully easy to see how was abused and
manufactured to become the freak he was; sexually,
physically and mentally."
like i said before yes yes yes. i get it. but where do you
get these ideas of abuse? dont get me wrong, i believe he
suffered enough simply having to endure the life of a child
star. but arent ideas of 'michael the abuse victim' straight
from the media/his own representation of himself. its not
that i think its all lies but i believe it was you who
criticised how i was just an ignorant fool being sold ideas
of michael by the evil media/corrupt social opinion. its you
who's harping on about a stories you have no proof of. my
judgements of michael are less prejudice than yours cos ive
slowly and carefully attempted to discover the true michael
thru his art. this of course isnt concrete is it, but its a
lot better than yours. you got it from tv and stories that
people like uri geller told us. maybe you even found some
unquestionably solid testimony of michaels life, but youre
still jumping to all kinds of half baked conclusions. i
wouldnt have criticised only youve been making out that
youre the one with some higher perspective on this. i dont
think you know what youre talking about at all. god you are
that guy; i said 'jackson probably fucked kids!" you
think sun reader. its blatant


 

offline AMPI MAX from United Kingdom on 2009-06-29 10:40 [#02301292]
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i dont think we're getting anywhere ima shut up.


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-29 10:41 [#02301293]
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i think you should substitute good and evil for peace and
harm, really the words don't matter, like you said it's the
reaction to events that decide the feeling or outcome


 

offline pulseclock from Downtown 81 on 2009-06-29 10:45 [#02301296]
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or exchange the words good and evil for peacful and
disturbing


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2009-06-29 10:46 [#02301298]
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all barcode converts must be tattooed with a barcode that
brings up the dog & dildo pic on screen when scanned.


 


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