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big
from lsg on 2006-03-12 11:51 [#01858303]
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my logic is right though you might fully disagree with it, maybe itll bring down sex crimes only 10% but that's still good
anyway this isn't my main argument why im for prostitution, it was just something i wanted tridenti to think about. it's more that im liberal at this (where im not in the drugs thing apparantly)
frankly i think this logic is bad: but then isn't legalizing prostitution kind of like if a government were to, say endorse men's right to a woman's body any time he feels like it? how's that philosophy gonna stop rape?
because people won't be influenced that easily by the morals a government holds.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-03-12 14:07 [#01858485]
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but then isn't legalizing prostitution kind of like if a
government were to, say endorse men's right to a woman's body any time he feels like it? how's that philosophy gonna
stop rape?
although as far as I'm concerned the whole 'legalising prostitution will decrease number of rape victims'-thing is besides the point and very hard to prove either way, paying for sex with a consenting adult is hardly the same as rape. you're equation is strange, to say the least.
the government wouldn't be saying men have the right to a woman's body any time they feel like it, simply because the women would have to consent to the sexual encounter. I don't see what the motivation for this consent would have to do with anything - when is consent to have sex the right consent? when the woman says she loves the man? when she doesn't ask for money?
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-03-12 15:10 [#01858568]
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being really attractive can have its negatives, too.
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bogala
from NYC (United States) on 2006-03-12 15:11 [#01858570]
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Yall should see this hbo doc 'hookers at the point; really grim. These women need help. Or a place to be safe.
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-03-12 15:13 [#01858573]
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Anyway being ugly only prevent us from having a girlfriend. Who cares anyway ? There're plenty of other exciting things to do alone ! Just stop thinking about love and sex.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-03-12 15:30 [#01858587]
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change your av
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-12 15:56 [#01858620]
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i already said i wouldn't follow you in the cigarette analogy, this isn't side stepping, it's just disagreeing.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-12 15:58 [#01858621]
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it's not a fucking analogy, it's a very apt comparison.
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-12 16:08 [#01858632]
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that doesn't change how i feel about this because i just don't agree
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-12 16:18 [#01858642]
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I'll weigh in here.
It doesn't fucking matter.
Free fucking will to make the choice of whether you fucking yourself up with drugs or smoke yourself to death.
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-12 16:23 [#01858646]
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what about prostitutes?
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giginger
from Milky Beans (United Kingdom) on 2006-03-12 16:29 [#01858650]
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No plans to visit one so I don't care what they do.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-12 16:31 [#01858653]
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haha :D
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mimi
on 2006-03-12 22:33 [#01858768]
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you dumb fucks infuriate me, all i am trying to say is that it doesn't make sense for big to say, well the government can't allow drug use because what sort of message would that send and then say that the government can allow prostitution, because of course that sends no message at all!
anyway if it came down to it i would put my vote towards legalizing prostitution because imo by bringing it to the surface people could maybe see how ugly it really is. it's not about the "right" consent at all because when a man stays rich and keeps a woman poor so that she will have to sell him sex, umm that kind of transcends consent. sure, she said yes, her personal choice etc, but look at the bigger picture please
no potential rapists are going to see some woman that they fancy at a bar and decide, after getting a 'no', that, oh well, they can just purchase a hooker. umm....that is unrealistic. rapists don't rape because they got horny, everybody gets horny, not everybody rapes. rapists just think that they have some right mandated by god or something to the body of whichever woman is unlucky enough to be around.
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-13 01:07 [#01858778]
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ok you should have said you were talking about that, i've adressed this already
" anyway if it came down to it i would put my vote towards legalizing prostitution because imo by bringing it to the surface people could maybe see how ugly it really is. it's not about the "right" consent at all because when a man stays rich and keeps a woman poor so that she will have to sell him sex, umm that kind of transcends consent. sure, she said yes, her personal choice etc, but look at the bigger picture please "
not all prostitutes are like in pretty woman, lol. also a prostitute could save money and get out. but i do agree it's not pretty
i pretty much agree on the rape thing. this is just some argument i picked up once. it's the only one i can think of as a pro, besides the liberal argument.
rape is about power and violence and nasty stuff like that, but i can imagine people being driven to this from frustration and being able to have sex might lessen this. more then is might stimulate rape as you said. but this is hard to prove.
however going at it just theoretically i don't think it's reasoning the wrong way around to give these men what they want. prostitution might be natural, because as they say it's the oldest profession in the world
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xkejjer
from Malta on 2006-03-13 01:20 [#01858780]
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i am not ugly
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-13 02:46 [#01858788]
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i hope monoid never rapes.
i hope combo never rapes either.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-13 02:47 [#01858789]
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or swears, for that matter.
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felch king
on 2006-03-13 03:20 [#01858792]
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I AM UGLEE AND AH STILL GET THA PUSSY. I JUST GO FOR EVEN UGLIER WOMEN! LOL. :~)
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-03-13 03:23 [#01858794]
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what about love ?
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felch king
on 2006-03-13 03:26 [#01858796]
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YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN IN DAYLIGHT WITH THE FAT BITCHES I FUCK, LET ALONE FALL IN LOVE WITH THEM!!
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-03-13 03:29 [#01858799]
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u just wank into women, don't u ?
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felch king
on 2006-03-13 03:38 [#01858808]
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SOMETIMES OVER THEM, SOMETIMES INTO THEM. SOMETIMES INTO A CONDOM, IF I THINK THEY MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING.
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-03-13 04:15 [#01858826]
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one day you'll fall in love with one of these ugly fatties then u'll marry and have a lot of fat children
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-03-13 04:26 [#01858834]
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i am beautiful, no matter what they say words can't bring me down
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Combo
from Sex on 2006-03-13 04:27 [#01858836]
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you're beautiful
you're beautiful
(...)
James Blunt said
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2006-03-13 06:16 [#01858886]
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how'd she get so fat?
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obara
from Utrecht on 2006-03-13 06:31 [#01858888]
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so fat......and so far......!
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FlyAgaric
from the discovery (Africa) on 2006-03-13 06:33 [#01858889]
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unbelievable...there goes my dirty fantasy.
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-03-13 08:15 [#01858926]
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you have an verry ugly perrsonality
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mimi
on 2006-03-13 08:20 [#01858929]
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pretty woman, well we're done here
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Anus_Presley
on 2006-03-13 08:38 [#01858936]
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i think they should make harrd drrugs and prrostitution legal so that i don't have to worrrry about going to jail. let people live theirr lives how they want
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-03-13 08:40 [#01858941]
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what are you people arguing about?
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2006-03-13 08:42 [#01858946]
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i knew you wouldn't appreciate that when i read it
regardless of whether he likes them or not, i think big is just plain bad at discussions
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Drunken Mastah
from OPPERKLASSESVIN!!! (Norway) on 2006-03-13 08:56 [#01858958]
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the best way to bring crime down is to legalise everything and have the government quality check it
"all rapists must use condoms so as to not cause unwanted pregnancy"
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2006-03-13 09:18 [#01858966]
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go to the bunny ranch
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-13 15:07 [#01859161]
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mimi and redrum can't distinguish between bad argument and a differing opinion
when you can't respect your opponent you are a lousy debater
both of you are just looking for the easiest way of putting me down so you can wallow in your own right:
mimi said: " it's not about the "right" consent at all because when a man
stays rich and keeps a woman poor so that she will have to sell him sex, umm that kind of transcends consent. sure, she said yes, her personal choice etc " =pretty woman and mimi's bad argument, a little joke about that from me and wallowing of you two
same goes for redrums cigarettes, apparantly the only right way debatting about this is admitting redrum is right about and therefor drugs should be legalised
i like debates here in so far they can teach me some other views. both of your fixation with your own right have prevented that from happening however
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2006-03-13 15:26 [#01859180]
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hey, I never said it was a cure for rape, I don't think it is - you were the one who started talking about rape (or perhaps bip did, in which case you can ignore that comment).
where the hell did all of this come from:
"because when a man stays rich and keeps a woman poor so that she will have to sell him sex, umm that kind of transcends consent. sure, she said yes, her personal choice etc, but look at the bigger picture please"
are you saying all women who are prostitutes are doing it because of The Man Holding Her Down? I just don't get where this comes from. certainly, there is a group of women who are forced towards prostitution, but legalisation would only make it easier to fight that.
but there are also plenty of women who are prostitutes out of choice - it really is an outdated view of prostitution that it's all forced.
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-03-13 15:42 [#01859190]
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yes.
what's up with that anyhow? what's xlt got against Ellens?
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-03-13 15:49 [#01859194]
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maybe someone was afraid swears, monoid and combo would rape the nice ellens and closed the thread for their safety.
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-03-13 15:51 [#01859196]
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Well, whatever happend in this thread, it surely doesn't sound very cool..
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-03-13 15:53 [#01859198]
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..So, maybe it was for the best that we shuffled teh Ellens out of here quickly.
Exellent modwork after all!
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-13 15:56 [#01859199]
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*starts harassing ellen
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mimi
on 2006-03-13 16:05 [#01859214]
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i typed out like 8 different responses but got tired of xltronic along the way
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big
from lsg on 2006-03-13 16:11 [#01859219]
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i wonder what i do it for as well
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-03-13 16:19 [#01859220]
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the trick is to just type in stream of conciousness and hit reply really quick before you have a chance to second guess it.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-03-13 16:25 [#01859223]
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FUCK YOU YOUR ALL WRONG!
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2006-03-13 16:27 [#01859224]
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this is the thread where everyone hates each other, right?
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epohs
from )C: on 2006-03-13 16:29 [#01859225]
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get the FUCK out of here whit that shit!
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fleetmouse
from Horny for Truth on 2006-03-13 16:30 [#01859226]
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