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Too true. Fuck the US imperialists and their war. No war but the class war |
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where the hippies went wrong is: they thought monging on acid in haight-ashbury would somehow make everyone go "shit! we must now just spend our days smoking dope and being nice to one another!!" unfortunately, it don't work -=- there must be one final ultraviolent revolution then a mad descent into anarchy and i will drive a madmax car thru the desert killing refugees from the corporate world! :D |
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Save me a seat on that car |
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Chaos is, by it's nature temporary, in an anarchistic situation gangs would form for protection, they would join together and within 100 years we would be back where we are, just with a lower technology base and a lower quality of life. Seems like someone took fight club too seriously... |
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Seems like someone takes the opinions of their parents too seriously |
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Not at all, my dad's a real hippy and very anti-government. I don't want to fall out over this or for people to take it too take it personally. Let's agree to disagree? |
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I could really go for some cash right now. Like a million dollars, falling from the sky into my backyard. I'd be so happy. |
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Too late. I'll be up to Ponty the next time I go back to Wales. Watch your back or change your opinions - the choice is yours butt. |
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I'm not actually from Ponty, I don't say "Butt" :) I will give you half of everything I own like a good little bolshevic if you come up ;) |
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Look man, don't give up an argument just to be diplomatic. If you believe what you say then back up your argument. Total consensus is impossible and I'm into friendly debate. I won't really come up to Ponty for your Tory ass. Just keep off of the streets of Cardiff. |
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I spend a fair bit of time in Ponty ;( can't I go there. I'm not really changing my views it's just I've got a report to finish and I know I won't if I keep re-checking threads every 5 mins. At least this conversation has increased our points a bit, eh? :) |
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yes, lots of money could help a lot of people - but people still bow down to their governments - i really don't understand why people allow themselves to be so blatantly fucked all the time! it's so well documented but they continue to take it! explainations on a postcard to: Marlowe The 7 Seas |
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i have to admit i feel a certain pride in my two threads hittin' the 100 mark - shame on me i know :D |
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A report to finish? There's too mush laziness in society eh? People on messageboards when they should be working. Tut, tut. |
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People allow themselves to be fucked beause they're stupid... people are dumb. Not hard to fuck over the citizens when most of them can barely think for themselves. |
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depressing but true - we need to lynch the educators; i really think this is where a lot of the problems stem from - i am seriously considering homeschooling any child that pops outta my wife's belly. |
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capitalism comunism this terms are soooooo old lets get a bit updated |
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well, capitalism is what it's called nacmat. we could start calling it vera, but then think of all the paperwork involved. the definition of communism certainly needs to be clarified after the evil propoganda used by western media and governments &tc to twist its fundamental values. |
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Good idea nacmat! Anyone up for a discussion on modern european thought or "Has technology benefited the human race"? |
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technology has the potential to enrich the entire globe - the global energy network would force governments to work together. computers mean we can automate manual jobs, they mean we can get information from different sources and can get lesser-known information. war technology seems to be really crap seeing as nothing works properly. odd that. failing to hit the right targets, "accidentally" killing innocent civillians |
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Ceri, get on with your report. Ophecks, you sound like a nice person. If only everyone was as smart as you we wouldn't be in the shit we're in eh? All hail Ophecks - the Greatest political thinker of our times |
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Thanks for the support. Don't forget to vote for me in 2008! Watch as society begins to ascend towards perfection as I carry out my plans. |
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Ophecks: Can I be "Asst. Technical Advisor" in your administration? :) |
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Ceri and Ophecks - Tweedle-Dee and Dweedle-Dum running the world. Hmmm... |
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i will be the "man behind the scenes pulling the strings" (MBSPS) ;) |
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Tweedle Dee and Dweedle Dum are going to surprise you... I have lots of good ideas on how to improve society. Most of them involve time machines and genetically engineered monsters. |
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oh boy, when I was king of the world I would get rid of: a) nazi's b) perverts c) dumb people Maybe it's a good thing that I don't rule the world |
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well it depends upon your defintion of those 3 terms -- someone called me a NAZI on audiogalaxy because i told them to fuck off and quit sending songs to my satellite - someone called me a pervert for befriending a 14 year old girl - someone called me dumb because i hate the army |
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capitalism is a reflection of evolution/ survival of the fittist. to be a better mate and increase your chances of procreating, you must make yourself more attractive than other prospective mates. communism and socialism and any other "everyone equal/share the wealth" systems don't work because no one really wants to be equal. our evolutionary instincts tell us that we must amass wealth to become better providers for our potential mates. by taking more than our fare share via capitalistic means, we increase our chances of finding a mate and therefore ensure that our genes are propagated. most animals do it. animals fight over carcasses. birds steal materials from other nests to build their own. it will only end when humans evolve beyond these instincts which will not happen in our lifetimes. |
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Oh God not another one. If the unequal distribution of wealth is down to the survival of the fittest how do you explain the position of black people in the US? Are they inferior/not fit enough to climb the ladder? How do explain this anamoly? Were the Jews not fit enough to defend themselves from Nazism in 1930s Germany? |
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did you know that in the 1950s, the american government burnt ALL the works of the then-vilified and now-respected scientist, willheim reich, whom they put in jail where he subsequently died. that sounds like the action of a fascist state huh? like the nuremburg bookburnings |
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what did he study? why was he vilified? |
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There's a marked difference between fascism and elitism. |
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I am an anti comunist, a anti capitalist, anti evolutionist, anti ideologist. My statement is: fuck all fucking ideologis. Ideologis are bound to be missunderstod. Sure it's good that peapol speak up what they wanna say. Tell the world what they wanna say. Wrigth books with thier tougths. Making films and music on the subject. But what's rigth and true is whitin our self at all time, and peapol fuck up the truth by blindly following other's tougths. Think for your self. Be guided not led. |
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your ideology would then be "fuck all fucking ideologies" which would of course be a paradox. telling people to "be guided not led" is of course, guiding them. but then, life is just one big paradoxical kick in the head after another. *the scientist, wilheilm reich, pioneered orgone research, and was like a modern da vinci in his plethora of amazing ideas and theories, which were debunked by the AMA on NO grounds at all, without ever being independantly tried -- it is still illegal to do his experiments, but all that have been done have backed up his theories more or less completely. THAT is fascism, not elitism* |
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going back a bit, when someone said "once you play the system you become a part of it." Well there is such a thing as 'accomodation' where you are against the system but still work through it to get the reward. For example, I am doing quite well at school, which is a grammar school, but i hate the school system and i hate grammar schools. Grammar school's are really elitist and deprive other schools of the "best" teaching staff. I hate the education system because its main aim is to get u to jump through hoops and prepare you for the capitalist world rather than fully education you. People say that they've chosen particular subjects to study because these subjects will improve their chances of getting a well paid job, but i just chose my subjects cos i enjoy them and find them interesting (music, music tech, psychology and sociology). several times I've had talks with my parents about how shit the world is, and i say, "what's the point in life then, noone seems to enjoy it?" Everyone's too busy worrying about making money, and then once they've made that money they worry about keeping it. Thinking about my future life makes my head implode, like thinking about the nothingness which i believe space is suspended in. loads of people in this thread have said how people are NATURALLY greedy and so will be greedy bastards, well that's not the case at all. If that were true then all men would be rapists, because they all get that "urge" (probably not the best way to put it) but we learn to control our behaviour. We are not totally instinctive, we have minds - we are not animals. And when someone talks about an alternative to capitalism too many people are totally dismissive of that alternative, even if at 1st u dont agree with it, you could at least try to understand it - if you still think its wrong, show where the flaw is. You gotta communicate better, otherwise its like fucking school again where you shouldn't talk back to the teacher - what a load of shit that is. School = our 1st ta |
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School = our 1st of classical conditioning into the capitalist society. *big-old-misguided-bump* |
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way to bump Jack! |
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Nice old thread to bump. Capitalism = My PC, My Record Decks, My Vinyl, My flat in a kick ass area of town, My GBA, etc. How can it be bad? :P (all of which I have worked for...) |
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anyone ashamed of what they have? I feel ashamed that i dont always give what i can to people who suffer more than i do, and i think this can be due to the media giving me a false conciousness about things like music, fashion, school, making money...etc and therefore moving my attention away from those who are suffering. is G.W.bush a republican or a democrat? |
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capitalism is the reason why people starve. mkay. money money money money money money money money money money monye money and money... we need love motherfuckers! |
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what do you meen with fuck all ideologis? that doesn't make any sense really, if you think of it...when you say fuck all ideologis you could actually call that a ideologi in some way. you know what i meen right? Your ideologi is fuck all ideologis. |
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we need the help of the magic ninja , perhaps :) |
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If we all were ninjas with the world would be a better place ;) |
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democratic capitalism is only as constructive as those who comprise it. if you believe in a communism, then work to establish it locally, as that is the only scale it will work. there will always be classes, because --contrary to marlowe -- i believe people are inherently self-interested. If you've ever lived in a city where people are forced together you will see this. all of a sudden, community is gone. As giving as you may be, will it be at the cost of you, your family, your community? Each day I pass at least ten homeless panhandlers. I am in a situation to give something to any or none of them. Can anyone say what is the -ology that would help every one of those ten? A democratic capitalism will work best when everyone embraces it, so in this respect, the U.S. would desire a sort of imperialism. i'm not sure if that is necessarily terrible, if you beleive that the end goal is not to dominate but to include (and i realise this idea sounds like banner-waving, but I do not believe our policies are towards an end in stripping beliefs or customs from people completely, but for a degree of order). As for the questioned War on Hunger, 75% of the Iraqi people depend on food and aid from the UN (Head of Iraqi relief program, NPR). I personally know numerous people who give their time in this respect, and others who go into government with constructive aims. I wonder about those of you who talk about governments as if they're comprised from another species...this is easy to feel, more difficult to change. excess may be the demise of the capitalist experiment, but don't make out that it's the root of evil. when was the last time there was sustained peace in the middle-east (or anywhere for that matter)? get off your asses and push within the system if you feel adamant that your 'leaders' are working you. Live more humbly. otherwise live it out and shut the fuck up. Reading some of the unconstructive bashing here reminds me of the Anti-Roman group in Monte Python's The Life of Brian. it |
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's almost funny...and it's boring. |
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even in the most communist states in the worrld therre is a rrich leaderr at the top of it all. communism is bullshit. |
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I'll be the pedant who points out there are no truly communist societies, nor have there ever been any. |
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yeah that is true...but there is one thing with those countrys. the leaders don't live as they learn. I'm not saying that i'm a communist. but the word has been drawn in the mud. It is not a bad idea at all. |
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principles. |
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