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So its staying in the rich's hands. |
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But you can look out for number one without being a total git to everyone else. I dislike this idea that everyone who is wealthy must of done it by screwing someone else over... Lots of people have a childish notion that others should look after them. This is nonsense- without capitalism they would starve. |
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but come on... everyone can't take care of themselfes. That is th truth. And yes, I think it's sick how much money some people can get A month. millions her & billion there. Why can't I work at mcdonlads 8 h a day and still cant afford to have a house? the gap is to big! |
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"I dislike this idea that everyone who is wealthy must of done it by screwing someone else over..." But don't you see. The workers create all the wealth in society while somebody else appropriates it. This is the only way by which you get a class society. |
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Raimons: Bill Gates is only on about £280,000 a year (okay so he has a lot of money already, but still...). I agree housing prices take the michael a bit, but that's partly due to overpopulation leading to a housing shortage. Jonesy: How does being an IT consultant exploit others? They pay you well because you save them several times that over in improving their system... |
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yes ceri..I didnt knew that about bill but you know what i meen. |
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I used to believe that when people die their wealth should be redistributed amongst the rest of the populance evenly. However, upon talking to a few people with children, they said that one of the things that inspires them to better themselves is to give their children a better start and to have something to leave to them when they die. If that's what makes them happy why shouldn't they be allowed to? I'm not saying being born into wealth isn't an advantage, just that to take wealth that people have earned legitamately is unfair. |
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Capitalism is fundamentally and ideologically wrong. Unless you are of the opinion that there is an unlimited amount of wealth in the world. Then the inevitable outcome of capitalism is that one group of people will gain more than another group. It is not correct to say, "but they all have the same chance to make those billions as everyone else", because there is only a fixed amount of billions to go round, and therefore it isn't possible for everyone to have the same chance. Therefore it is inevitable that some will gain at the expense of others... which I believe we should be able to rise above. We shouldn't just continue with capitalism because its not doing too bad for us now. We should be looking forward, and sideways to our 3rd world brothers and sisters, and coming up with a sustainable solution. Capitalism will eat itself |
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Jonesy, You are so completely and utterly fucked up its unbelievable. I really really feel sorry for you. You're gonna have a real shit life. Your perception of the world is completely warped. You are so eaten up with bitterness and resentment at the success and stability the British (yes thats right the British) have given to the world and their values that achieve results and create wealth, freedom and the high standard of living we take for granted that you just want to tear it all down. You just want to lash out like some child which has had its lolly pop taken out of its mouth. Boy you are messed up. |
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He he, bit extreme... but quite astute. Anyone read Choke by Chuck Palanhuick? I like the revelation the main character's mother has regarding her railing against capitalism. Very true. Luckypsycho: Something can't be "idealogically wrong"- for me it is the only ideology that makes sense. It is utterly logical. Why is that "wrong"? You might see it as unethical, but that is another matter... |
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you know what, I don't really like everything you say but I laove you anyway, mkay peace! |
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But I'm not talking about IT consultants. I'm talking about CEOs and the like. |
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Promo: to you I may be fucked up. But at least I have a rudimentary understanding of history. You on the other hand show yourself to be deeply ignorant and borderline racist. And you have an understanding of the world that would, and should, shame an 8 year old. |
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Housing shortages are caused by a shortage in the number of houses being built. |
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mwa |
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with capitalism workers are not paid the full value of what they produce. The owners (non-workers) exploit the workers, who benefit from the workers effort. so just because the owner has the means of production, he can exploit his workers (who do not have the means of production)? |
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Ceri, many wealthy people may very well work very hard, but there is no way you are going to convince anyone with a pinch of honesty that there is equal opportunity, and among those who are struggling many of them are working equally as hard as the wealthy. i guess your answer to those brought up with less opportunity would be tough shit and it's not your problem? |
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i don't see how Ceri could have an answer for a dilema so plainly put. even if you have faith in the common generosity of people, there will always be those who take more than their share -- which inevitably comes out of someone else's bowl. on the other side of that coin there are those who are paid for by taxes, while they are 'productionless'. social security, welfare, unemployment, worker's compensation, etc. are part of the system. it seems that the closest thing to an answer would come from a flexible (and more evenly spread) taxation system. opera winfrey is a billionairre. bill gates lost 50 billion dollars in 5 years, while whole nations go bankrupt. these facts are ridiculous. enron and the like got busted and strong reform should be strongly forced by the people. there are sweatshops all over america, let alone throughout the world. of course these workers 'deserve' more. social change is much slower than technilogical demand, which is the real issue. live simpler. i watched 'baraka' again the other day...it's amazing what you can grasp without words. |
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even welfare systems and the 'redistribution of wealth' have their inequalities in them. the people who take more than their fair share should be dealt with accordingly... |
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RISE UP! |
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its unlikely that people would ever revolt in our countries because they have too much to lose. Things such as mortgages, holidays, jobs... etc. keep people from going against the capitalist system |
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http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/19/gpo7028.jpg> |
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but what will YOU do? |
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these web html things is not my thing. |
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who was that directed at? |
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hahaha! thanx pal! |
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i was only wondering if you were including yourself in 'people here'... |
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i dont know.... I'm not tied down by anything yet, as im only 17 hmm, although i could lose my education. I would love a total social reform tho. |
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Jonesy, Yeah sure by all means spend the rest of your life down the bottom of your wormhole. You are anti-life sticking your friggen' beak in other peoples success. Full of resentment you poor little man. On the subject of racism you're the racist mate; you're the one who is anti-British with a mega fucking chip on your shoulders. Fucking boo hoo. |
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haha, you're laughable promo! what makes you think jonesy's at the bottom of his "wormhole"? anyway, implying that he's in a worm hole reminds me of a poem about worms. the worms being the working class, the boots that tread on the worms being the upper classes. |
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This whole argument is not about capitalism. Its about individuals; it really is. Either you approach life saying what I can achieve from society or saying what can those who achieve from society give to me. You lot don't realise how boring and old these arguments are. They truly are childish. I know you kinda of feel a bit let down and things seem hard. And then you think oh well fuck it things aren't handed to me on a fucking plate so oh well he seems to have more so I think I just take some of his. Its weak people; its really fucking weak. I've got absolutely no respect whatsoever for people who have these views. The irony of all this is your get to the end of your silly little lives saying mmm what did my small views really achieve for me. Mmm diddly squat. |
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and you are anti-world! |
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haha fuck off! I have no feelings of envy towards people, all i feel is guilty for the not so fortunate and the hard-done-by so there's only 2 options? you dont think about "what can i contribute to society?". so selfish |
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raimons, Fine be a loser I don't give a shit. Its absolutely 100% your loss and your own self-inflicted punishment. |
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I hate when people call you anti-something just becouse you have something to say, bacouse you want to duscuss. In the media in the u.s it is nearly forbidden to tell the truth in tv, and if you critisise your either a comunist or a conspiricy thief. propaganda my ass! I'm tired of it. |
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hahaha, just seen something else... "Its about individuals; it really is" - you sound like margaret thatcher, with your society-doesn't-exist-its-all-about-individuals ideology |
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my loss? i'll rather loose with dignity and not feeling like a liar all my life. I really meen that. I don't wanna live my life without caring about other places in the world. I wanna know whats going on, why is theis company moving their factory to india, why do they keep fishing so wide in the sea even though we all know it's not good for the future? why did my little brother get fired from mcdonalds just becouse he burned some burgers? why dint he get money like the big great boss got when he got fired? Why are we going to mars? why? why why? save the earth god damnet!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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well said raimons.... i bet promo looks down on martyrs for dying-for-change when they could have just gone along with the rest of the world. |
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when i was 13 or something i listened a lot to clawfinger...donät think thier music is that great anymore but their lyrics still make some sence... wonderful world there's a peddler a pusher standing on the corner there's a junkie on the street with some crack to warm her down and out in the city she's working as a hooker so the system took the freedom to overlook her she don't exist that's made her feel the hate she's just a victim of the world that we create she didn't have a chance man she didn't wanna do it but she never got the choice so she just said screw it she took it to the bottom just trying it all knowing that nobody even cared at all don't deny her needs take a look at yourself before you start talking 'bout anybody else such a wonderful world such a wonderful world there's a lower class family they're living in a vice you know it ain't too bad but it sure ain't nice four kids in a flat that was built for two cockroaches on the floor so what they gonna do rats in the cellar no water in the tap the kids of today are growing up with this crap a sweet loving mother she does everything she can a father with a will he's a fighting man he's lost his job and all the money's been spent so tell me anybody who's gonna pay the rent and you're all talking 'bout equality this whole fucking world is insanity Chorus meanwhile in a suburb on some fancy boulevard there's a couple in a house with a dog on guard 3 cars in the garage they keep everything inside afraid of the violence afraid to go outside money ain't funny if you're afraid to use it you grip it too hard when you're afraid to lose it working as a lawyer in some upperclass area alone at home his wife goes into hysteria a gun under her pillow too tense to relax too rich to face reality too scared to face the facts they stick to what they got and they try to make it pretty hiding from the life that's going on down in the city |
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this topic is closed for me. let love rule. |
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that was well-put raimonds. i'm with you. here's another ditty, though: i want your soul i will eat your soul. the kids like that one too. topic closed. |
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i think that the world has become too work-based. surely we werent created to work all the time, and model ourself on working. i dont know, just something that's always at the back of my mind |
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raimons, I'll tell you when this topic is closed. Let losers stay down the bottom of their wormholes. |
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ok. are you mad? |
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raimons, No, thats your department. |
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i'm not mad. |
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Ah so sweet. Closes the topic and then carries on! |
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great! then were all friends then? |
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