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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 09:13 [#01643054]
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that's even worse than calling me a twat, I HATE the daily mail with a vengance, even more than I hate mindless Aphex fanboys in fact, and that's a lot.
I don't ever wanna condone terroism but if someone ever bombed the Mail's offices I'd be dancing in the street.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2005-06-24 09:14 [#01643056]
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This is just Madness gone politically correct.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 09:16 [#01643059]
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how profound :)
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-06-24 09:17 [#01643062]
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i hear asylums are called care homes now
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 09:18 [#01643064]
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put the dictionary away perlease, (scup-bucket you think I'M being pompous and condescending) , facism to the layman is a word that describes someone who feels superiority over those who he considers to be inferior and acts accordingly.
and yes I guess racism does fit into this category too, but that's not the issue.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 09:23 [#01643072]
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how is it madness? just because I think that windowlicker has got slightly dubious sentiments behind it.
starting a thread illustrating that say... Frank Black is a sexist, deranged, sexual pervert would be IMO "madness gone politically correct" (and FYI I don't think that at all, I love him)
but not this.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 09:25 [#01643075]
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you're the first layman i've come across who thinks that's what fascism means.
obviously been participating in too many discussions and arguments where people suddenly feel the overwhelming urge to label things as FASCIST (and probably "FASCISTIC" if they're so illiterate) and go with it.
using words like fascist, which have so many emotional connotations to them, to try to get the upperhand in a debate is just pathetic.
you've done your argument no good.
although this was never really a debate..
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 09:28 [#01643078]
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and, come to think of it, "prejudice" would've been the perfect word, since I don't think anybody can consider handicapped people a race.
not that anyone cares..
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2005-06-24 09:33 [#01643082]
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It was a play on words, a joke, you daft idiot. I'm sure everyone is clear on your standpoint regarding aphex, that's all you seem to bitterly spout. Give it a rest mate, it's boring now.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 09:38 [#01643087]
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well you've just done your arguement no good by saying that "facism" is an inappropiate word but "prejudice" is, don't the two go hand in hand?, how can you be a "facist" without some extent being "prejudice" too?.
I wasn't trying to get the upper hand, just stating an opinion, the fact is I don't need to get the upper hand, you either find laughing at retarded people distasteful or you don't,
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 09:42 [#01643090]
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You probably can't be a fascist without being prejudiced.
However.
That doesn't mean that if you're prejudiced, it makes you fascist. You can't employ that sort of backwards (pun intended) logic. Think about what you're saying.
And really - how is the song making fun of retarded people? Sure, I'll take your word for it that windowlicker is something kids call retards over there.
But please just fucking read the posts in this thread accurately explaining the reason it's called Windowlicker, with references to the video. Have you even seen the video? Or have you only seen what it says in the AFXFAQ?
I don't want answers to these questions: frankly I don't care. It's your problem if you choose to get uppity about something you're refusing to understand by looking at the big picture.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 09:44 [#01643091]
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Yes I'm aware of that, that's kind of the whole point of this thread, and I'm pleased that you have acknowledged that it was a "joke", it is a "joke", my point is as to wether it's actually funny or not.
How is it a play on words though? don't get that at all
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 09:47 [#01643094]
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I think that jivverdicker was referring to the joke of "This is Madness gone politically correct" and what you interpretted it as ("Windowlicker").
ONE TRACK MIND
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 09:47 [#01643095]
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*and not what you interpretted it as
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-06-24 09:52 [#01643097]
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all hail king joey!
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 09:53 [#01643099]
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yeah I've seen the video, it seemed to be having a go at stupid rap videos if anything, don't see how any of the explanations on this thread were accurate they all seemed quite tenuous in what they were trying to say with regards to that.
come on... you accept that Windowlicker is a slang term for retards, listen the track, listen to the voice on the track, I'm sorry but that's the sound of a child taking the piss out of a retard, it's just so obvious, doesn't that bother you ever such a little bit?
don't get me wrong (which I think a lot of you have done) I can appreciate the musical merits of Windowlicker (check other posts I've made if you don't believe me) but there's something at the back of my mind that's saying that those sentiments are a tad wrong.
And as I said before what's the point in a discussion forum if I can't make those feelings known.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-06-24 10:17 [#01643112]
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Let me state a few things before I point out what a douche you are.
I like Aphex, but what I have to say has nothing to do with him. This thread could be about any artist for all I care.
I didn't even think of this whole 'retarded thing' until you came in here and mentioned it. Now everytime I heard this song, i'm gonna think of drooling little short-bus kids evertime thanks to you. Way to ruin the music by reading too much into it. You obviously have too much free time on your hands. You remind me of these 'anti-racism' people who spend all their time pointing out whats racist in TV's and movies thereby creating a double standard about abolishing racism and becomming a total hippocritical dick.
Who gives a fuck? If you really think there is a 'joke' here and you dont find it funny, guess what? Stop listening to it. You obviously put more emphasis on the meanings and titles of music rather than the sound comming out of your stereo so piss off. I couldnt' give a fuck if Richard called the song " a chorus of 45 retarded kids whinning over a phat beat " or "i hate jews" I'm still gonna enjoy it.
So please take your elitest liberal bullshit and shove it back up your ass where it belongs.
"BUT WEATHERDSTONER, MY NEIGHBOR IS A DOWN-SYNDROME MAN! DONT YOU FEEL SORRY FOR HIM!?! I DO!! HOW COULD YOU SAY SUCH THINGS? DO YOU REALLY HATE JEWS?!! YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON"
I dont care. Grow up and get a life.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-06-24 10:20 [#01643115]
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I didn't even think of this whole 'retarded thing' until you
came in here and mentioned it. Now everytime I heard this song, i'm gonna think of drooling little short-bus kids evertime thanks to you. Way to ruin the music by reading too
much into it.
me too :(
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-06-24 10:28 [#01643121]
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i notice that you first say that associating "windowlicker" with retarded kids has ruined the song for you, and then you go on to say that it doesn't matter what's in the song, a chorus of retarded kids or antisemitic sentiments, you're still going to enjoy the music.
so which is it?
song ruined? or still gonna enjoy it?
just wonderin'...
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Bob Mcbob
on 2005-06-24 10:31 [#01643125]
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in my case its ruined.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-06-24 10:38 [#01643132]
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no i said the external parts of a song (track title, artwork etc) wont ruin the song. But now hes saying that the voices in the song are actually a piss take of retarded people singing, and that kinda ruins it because I never looked at it like that before, but now everytime i hear it, i'm gonna think of this stupid goddamn thread. So the music isn't ruined, its just the memories i associate with it are
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-06-24 10:43 [#01643137]
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"don't let the truth get in the way of enjoyment" - J. King (1998)
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-06-24 11:18 [#01643156]
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maybe enlist the assistance of a free-lance memory deletion agency...
say that ten times as fast as you can and they'll be at your doorstep the moment you fall asleep tonight.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-06-24 11:21 [#01643161]
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hey, just like that movie!!!1
:)
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merg
from The New New York (Berlin) (Germany) on 2005-06-24 12:00 [#01643180]
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Mind over matter weatheredstoner my good man...enjoy it for the same reasons you enjoyed before...yes and even boogie :-)
And other people...if you don't wanna read this thread...don't read it!!!!!!!
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 12:21 [#01643195]
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i just wonder which of soundguy's relatives is a complete spastic
that was unkind :D LOL123
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2005-06-24 12:38 [#01643200]
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LAZY_JOEY
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-06-24 12:41 [#01643203]
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hahahahaaha!
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-06-24 12:54 [#01643209]
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long live joey!
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Aesthetics
from the IDM Kiosk on 2005-06-24 13:02 [#01643214]
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Is there anyone here who can summarize this topic, please?
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-06-24 13:04 [#01643215]
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opinions were stated, tempers flared, a couple of sissies bitch slapped each other.
the usual...
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tango
from Doncaster (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 13:13 [#01643217]
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welcome to the thread that disapeared up its own arse
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 13:21 [#01643219]
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problem with doing this at work is my concentration is always being focussed elsewhere and my responses aren't always as sharp as I'd like them to be.
But I'm home now, and I'm smokin (well us much as you can be on a shitty dial-up connection), so here goes, one at a time
firstly one for my old mate scup-bucket, you say that your "blatent unmasked insults are reserved for special occasions and for very special people", the best you can mangage in these circumstances is "you're a twat", I'm sorry but that's pathetic, you can do better than that.
At least my insult had some flair to it.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 13:26 [#01643220]
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Yes, curious incident is a big steaming pile of shite, that's why it won the Whitbread prize and has had praise lavished upon it by all and sundry, it may be crap but obviously it's not as crap as your taste in books
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epohs
from )C: on 2005-06-24 13:35 [#01643222]
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what a retarded thread.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 13:39 [#01643224]
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I'm REALLY the first laymen you've encountered that sees the word "facist" defined like that then may I in all seriousness and with the upmost respect suggest that you get out more.
The word is used in that context all the time, be it with regards to racism, sexism any sort of elitism in fact. You made a big point of differeniating between the words "predjudice and "facism", conceding that it might be "predjuduce" but not "facist", slightly anal IMO but nethertheless I said "acute" facism, surely "predjudice" is a form of acute "facism"
You seem like an intelligent guy, I really don't understand your problem with my "problem" and all the grief you've been giving me, maybe I'm just pissing on too many peoples parades here.
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mark
from out of town on 2005-06-24 13:42 [#01643230]
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Sort of undermines your credibility when you can't spell "fascist."
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 13:44 [#01643233]
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Why is this being seen as an act of bitterness? I just thought it would be an interesting topic.
Can't I have an opinion on something? finding something childish and wanting to tell people so is hardly being bitter is it?
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mark
from out of town on 2005-06-24 13:46 [#01643238]
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Ever heard the phrase "beating a dead horse"?
Whoa.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2005-06-24 13:47 [#01643239]
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people who live in glass houses should install wheelchair access
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2005-06-24 13:56 [#01643246]
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8 )
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-06-24 13:57 [#01643249]
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With slash resistant tires, just incase the glass breaks.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 14:01 [#01643254]
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O.K. you don't care, but as I said elsewhere some people do care, it just depends how into the artist and music you are (as an example Jackson sold 10 million
"Bads pre nonce rumour 2 million "His storys" post nonce rumour) , peoples reactions to this seem a bit extreme to be honest, I don't like to think of you all as anal Aphex fanboys who would still buy it if he just farted into a microphone but sometimes I wonder, your post did nothing but confirm this really (is it ME who has to get a life), and for the record I'm not "an elitist liberal" politically correct whatever, I'm just a passionate music fan who wanted to talk about something they found a little bit near the knuckle in an Aphex track.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 14:09 [#01643261]
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it's not a "dead horse" when people start calling you a twat and telling you to piss off, I just started the thread out of curioisity and I feel like the proverbial cat now to be honest.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 14:13 [#01643265]
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that may be so, but it also shows you to be a complete anal nitpicking smartass when you can't give a fired up geezer the benefit of the doubt when it comes to a few typos
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-06-24 14:14 [#01643267]
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Well I'm emphasizing this whole "near the nuckle" thing you mention. I certainly would never buy anything Richards farts into and sells on a CD. I mentioned plenty of times that I'm glad I never bought smojphace. The problem is, you actually care that maybe some artist you never met might be having a crack at retarded people via a lovely tune which I think is about as annoying as 'dick sucking fanboy'.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch the episode of Southpark where Cartman pretends to be mentally handicapped in order to win $1000 in the Special Olypmics.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-06-24 14:24 [#01643281]
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technically, after three repetitions of a spelling error it ceases to be a typo, it means you don't know how to spell the word. just teasing.
BUT, the lesson in all of this is to not take the preceding sentence or the rest of this thread particularly serious.
you're a decent and well meaning person who is unfortunately not particularly articulate picking a battle with a group of people who are not particularly articulate, not particularly sensitive to politically incorrect elements in works of art, and predisposed to belligerence and name-calling.
plus you're beatin' a dead horse...
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 14:29 [#01643286]
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bollocks my respsonses aren’t working on this crappy dial-up
so just so you know and just in case you still care
1st was for Scup Bucket 2nd for Jarwoski 3rd for Redrum 4th for JivverDicker 5th for Weatheredstoner 6th and 7th for Mark
it's really painful doing this my current connection so I'd love to stay and chew the fat but I might have to bugger off soon *sound of several forum users cheering* but I'll try and be back
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-24 14:39 [#01643295]
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response to Plaidzebra (in case it still aint working)
Ok so I couldnt spell fascist, live with it, I have trouble with nessessarry too, I was kind of hoping that a few spelling errors would be overlooked but obviously not
as for the “dead horse” angle, see my response to Mark, personal insults are involved here, IMO Aphex became a dead horse ages ago anyway, his only real use to me nowadays is if I meet a non electronic music fan and they ask me what sort of music I like I can say “stuff like Aphex Twin” and they’ve probably heard of him, if I say Fizzarum, Arovane and even boc I just get a blank stare
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2005-06-24 14:41 [#01643297]
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no hard feelings. I'm always harsh so dont think I hate your guts or anything.
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